Space Exploration. Fact Or Fiction? (And Other Thoughts!)

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Fake Auroras?: II



reading comprehension pwns you.

from the Hubble mission site:

The auroras were photographed during a series of Hubble Space Telescope Imaging Spectrograph far-ultraviolet-light observations taking place as NASA's Juno spacecraft approaches and enters into orbit around Jupiter.

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"The full-color disk of Jupiter in this image was separately photographed at a different time by Hubble's Outer Planet Atmospheres Legacy (OPAL) program, a long-term Hubble project that annually captures global maps of the outer planets."


((HubbleSite: News - Hubble Captures Vivid Auroras in Jupiter's Atmosphere))


ignorance of how cameras work pwns you.

the Hubble telescope pointed its far-ultraviolet imaging apparatus at Jupiter.
obviously ((to someone with a basic knowledge of optical physics)) the visible-light image of the planet is not taken with the same instrumentation.

the ultraviolet spectrograph information recorded by Hubble was combined with information from the Juno craft approaching Jupiter, processed, and superimposed on an existing visible-light image for press release. that's never been a 'secret' and isn't being 'buried' by anyone. it's right there in the articles you had open on your computer but failed to actually read.


Thank you kindly for the clarification/correction on my lack of reading abilities. Very often I skim through articles and I overlook details. My sincerest apologies.

Concerning ultraviolet imaging...why overlay an aurora image over an old stock photo, and then add a disclaimer? Why not show the full UV image from Juno/Hubble? I still believe NASA is lying, deceiving, whatever you'd like to call it. I see no reason to believe anything they say, print, or portray as real...including the pictures I've posted below...press release or not.


https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/hubble-captures-vivid-auroras-in-jupiter-s-atmosphere

"Jupiter, the largest planet in the solar system, is best known for its colorful storms, the most famous being the Great Red Spot. Now astronomers have focused on another beautiful feature of the planet, using Hubble's ultraviolet capabilities."


"The auroras were photographed during a series of Hubble Space Telescope Imaging Spectrograph far-ultraviolet-light observations taking place as NASA's Juno spacecraft approaches and enters into orbit around Jupiter."

So, are these new Juno images/readings, or new Hubble images? Has the Hubble been significantly upgraded since 1994, or, is it just another NASA CGI / Art Department con?

Again, I did not read the article fully. I saw something out of place and I posted it. Unfortunately I don't have the original page to look at. It's possible that NASA put in the disclaimer/edit after someone noticed the old stock photo, or the disclaimer could have been there from the web page inception.

On further investigation, it does seem that the page has been modified August 4th, 2017...of course that proves nothing.

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https://www.spacetelescope.org/images/opo9444a/

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Three impact sites appear as dark smudges lined up along Jupiter's southern hemisphere (from left to right, sites C, A, and E). This pair of images was obtained on 17 July, several hours after the E impact. These 3 impact sites appear strikingly darker in the far-ultraviolet images to the right. This is because the smoke and dust rising from the fireballs absorbs UV light more strongly than violet light, so that the clouds appear both darker and larger in the UV images. Apparently, the fireball and plume threw large amounts of material completely above the atmosphere. This material diffused back down through the atmosphere with the smaller and lighter particles suspended at high altitudes.

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Rubble's view of the same hemisphere of Jupiter 12-13 days later shows that the smoke and dust have now been spread mainly in the east/west direction by die prevailing winds at the altitude where the dark material is suspended or "floating" in the atmosphere.

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Draw your own conclusions.


Peace.
 

posthuman

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people like to see pretty things. context helps people understand what they are looking at. do you think it's unhelpful to overlay images of, for example, streets on topographical maps? do you assume googlemaps is out to deceive everyone as their primary purpose, because they make maps more useful and readable, by composing several views into one?

as you found, NASA in fact did publish raw images of aurorae on Jupiter many years before publishing the composite image that better fits the general appetite of lay readers.
and they didn't fail to disclose that the image is a composite.

the only actual "deception" here then, is your mischaracterizing portrayal of them, based on watching a random, uninformed guy's youtube video from his mom's basement, and failing to investigate the actual source material. you would rather listen to such deceptive sources, because they tickle your ears in a particular way, and in this case they turned you into a deceiver: doing Satan's work, tricked into thinking you were doing things for the cause of truth.

but that's typical of this whole section of the forum, ain't it?
people who think they're lone buffalo soldiers for truth, who really are themselves deceived, who consider themselves noble sowers of truth, but who are in fact spreading lies? become agents of the devil, having been puffed up, distracted & fooled by their obsession with 'forbidden and hidden knowledge' ?


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IMPOSSIBLE TO BROADCAST THAT SIGNAL FROM THE MOON

Posthuman: You seem to be educated, investigative, and a soldier for truth...perhaps you would care to analyze this video? I'm on the fence on whether or not it's accurate as I'm not a radio/TV broadcasting specialist. I'd like to know what you think. Are the claims made by this 'professional' accurate or not? His lecture begins at 7 minutes. Would having no atmosphere significantly reduce the wattage needed to reach the Earth/Moon?

Frantz's wattage requirement claims are...VERY EXTREME! 63 billion watts of power!?!?


On a side note...

No atmosphere calls into question thermal issues for the Hubble and any other satellites, humans, ISS, etc...how does solar heat dissipate without a radiator of some kind? Imagine a vacuum thermos bottle, no air means no loss of heat or cold? Why would solar heat top off at just 250F? Why wouldn't the temperature keep rising if there is no atmosphere to absorb the heat and transfer it away from satellite? It seems to me, and perhaps I'm mistaken, but if the Sun heated an object in space, that object would continue to heat, and heat, and heat, for as long as it was in the Sun's light. The claims of -250F on the dark side, well how would that happen in a vacuum? I was thinking that the dark side of a satellite would convect the heat from the light side, but the thermos bottle effect still remains...yes?

Wouldn't the temperature of an object stay at that temperature unless acted on by an outside convective or heating effect? The Sun is the heater, but what is the chiller?




*** WARNING *** At 6m 30s there is a 'harness failure' and a colorful metaphor/expletive is used. Skip over this section to avoid being offended or don't watch this video.

I would prefer if video posters wouldn't write questionable things in their videos as I hate having to warn people about foul language, we are adults however, and I believe that the depiction of violence, gratuitous sex scenes, thefts, and murders in 'normal' television programming is far more offensive than a word.

[video=youtube;8ueKXD1Bbd8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ueKXD1Bbd8[/video]



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SKYLAB

I'll let the video speak for itself. Enjoy the show!

[video=youtube;xJb2yjtDYaY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJb2yjtDYaY[/video]



This photo of Earth's mountains reminds me of a Buck Rogers matte shot, only not as good.


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Peace.
 

tanakh

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Why do mainstream Christians believe they leave the earth? Yes, your spirit goes back to God at death, and your soul rests in the ground until the ressurection. There are only two resurrections, one for the elect if God, and the second to judgement. Those in Christ will inherit the earth. The Kingdom of God is to come. This is the Grace of God and the good news about the gospel of The Kingdom of God. To repent, and turn to God, then people were baptised. The message shared by Jesus to all, and he said this is why he was sent by God. Jesus's main gospel message is very seldom if ever shared. Acceptance, and understanding of Jesus's death came second to the message about the Kingdom of God. Sorry in advance if I make people mad. This is the way I have read and understand the bible.
The way you understand the Bible needs a radical makeover. To start with a persons Soul doesnt stay in the ground only the body. The second point is that the Bible is a spiritual book not a Science encyclopedia. There is nothing for or against space exploration.those who oppose or deny it are not doing God a service they are just making God Christianity and other Christians look and sound ridiculous. There are enough Scoffers and Detractors in the world without creating more.
 

posthuman

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one thing that keeps coming up in this forum is an apparent ignorance about how cameras work, and how that camera technology has improved continuously over the last 100 years.

there are many good resources online that discuss this in depth; i'm not going to go mining them out for people -- people who claim to 'question everything' and to 'do their own research' and to 'look at all the facts'

but in summary, a camera does not see what the human eye sees. cameras are essentially light collectors, which focus that light and expose it to a mechanical, chemical or digital light sensor apparatus. then information gathered by that sensor is then processed and rendered into a photograph through digital, mechanical and/or mechanical means.

the human eye is in generic terms an organ that accomplishes the same thing, made up of a light-gathering lens, a sensor, and a processing apparatus.

what's important to understand is that even though the eye and the mechanical/digital camera are similar in the most abstract description of them, they are radically different in capability and actual construction -- and while the eye has been the same ((with natural variation in person to person)) for all the time that cameras have existed, cameras themselves - in particular their light-gathering sensors ((both film and digital)) and the way in which that information is processed into imagery has changed dramatically, improving over time.

depending on the sensor specifications - which have changed a great deal in the last century, particularly in the last half & quarter century - a camera can see wavelengths that the eye cannot, or cannot see wavelengths that the eye can. depending on sensor specifications & image processing, a photograph can match or appear different from what the eye sees to a wide range of possibility, especially when comparing cameras using technology over a wide range of level of advancement, spanning decades.
 

posthuman

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here's a "supposed" photograph of Manhattan taken in the 1960's

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hmm the color looks unnatural, and its resolution is poor -- it almost looks like it's been painted.

definitely a fake. Manhattan obviously did not exist in the 1960's, it's all a psy-ops lie. <insert implausible illuminati scenario here purportedly explaining 'the real story' making myself sound like i'm more clever and better informed than the rest of you saps>

still believe in the state of New York now?
consider the evidence.

draw your own conclusions

peace
 

maxwel

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Space exploration...

ya know, I have trouble just exploring my house thoroughly enough to find my own socks.




I'll worry about space after NASA comes up with a plan to locate socks.
 

posthuman

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hero-green-leaves-in-sunlight.jpg

if you'll look closely you'll notice an obvious copy-paste job on this purported image of a tree.

everyone knows there's no patterns in nature, right? so why do all the leaves look so similar?

one answer: obvious fake by the satanic illuminati-controlled Arbor Day foundation, part of a psy-op to get the sheeple ready to accept herbivorous demons. eating vegetables is the mark.

"plant a tree" they say - yeah right! mind control!


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[video]https://youtu.be/CzyPN8-AbJQ?t=1m31s[/video]

I have the video setup to start at 1:31, let me know what you think about that segment. It's a good video overall too.

at 9:38 they show you where the astronauts go after they get into the spaceship rocket.
 
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Hoaxing A Hoax?

[video]https://youtu.be/CzyPN8-AbJQ?t=1m31s[/video]

I have the video setup to start at 1:31, let me know what you think about that segment. It's a good video overall too.

at 9:38 they show you where the astronauts go after they get into the spaceship rocket.

There are definitely a lot of NASA fails in your video. Here's a clip from Bart Sibrel's - A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon.


"An old reel received by mistake..."

[video=youtube;yN_GDew5NyQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN_GDew5NyQ[/video]


Years ago when I first saw this I said to myself, "Wow, they really did fake the moon landing! Here's the proof I was looking for!"

Now I realize that this clip was LEAKED INTENTIONALLY. NASA pretended to fake faking it! Yes folks...pretend, fake, fake...or Hoax[SUP]2[/SUP]. :)

There was no low Earth orbit fakery when they were supposed to be half way to the moon...because NASA NEVER EVEN MADE IT INTO ORBIT!

This is the ultimate psy-op. What kind of person thinks this stuff up? Imagine how diabolical and deceptive these people are. A hoax on top of a hoax. Hoaxing a hoax if you will? Knowing that the truth would eventually come out, freedom of information act and all, NASA prepared this video specifically to release to people 30 years in advance to start a decades long moon landing debate! Think about it...the moon landing would eventually be proven to be fake, destroyed/lost telemetry among other things...but if they can keep people thinking that they can achieve orbit, they can still keep doing rocket launch shows like the new Space X scam.

The next question, was Bart Sibrel in on the deception? When you watch Astronauts Gone Wild, you see Bart getting punched, you see him getting kicked, you even hear a microphone he left behind in an astronauts house record the son of the astronaut asking about having Bart killed by the CIA. I wonder if Bart knew, or if he was being used? Wouldn't that be wild if 'A Funny Thing' and also 'Gone Wild' were both produced by NASA!

This is starting to be the ultimate mystery novel!

Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I'm starting to think that the lies they promote are doing the job of dividing the citizens, keeping all of us arguing and speculating...increasing negative energy all over the world...making this world a fertile 'breeding ground' for demonic possessions and what-not.

Hoaxing a hoax reminds me of an old movie, 'American Werewolf In London'...the main character is having a nightmare involving his parents being killed by ghoulish Nazi's (more Jewish propaganda...you have to keep the Hitler hate going)...then he wakes up in a hospital bed...the nurse walks over to open the shade to let sunlight in, and another ghoul stabs her to death...and he wakes up a second time. And wouldn't you know...it's on YouTube! Go figure! How can I not include it here!

*** WARNING *** Graphic violence and/or offensive content.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0wShZqevLU
 
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posthuman

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should i tear out page #666 from my Bible?

i mean, there is that number with a tremendously loose association with the content & using no sense of context whatsoever to the book of Revelation, that means it's obviously an occultic devil-worshiping page, right?

or do i just cross out Psalm 46, since it's the 666[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of the Bible ((and falls on the 666[SUP]th[/SUP] page of the original KJV, btw, so doubly cursed))?

not sure if i'm using this number right; a little help plz
 
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should i tear out page #666 from my Bible?

i mean, there is that number with a tremendously loose association with the content & using no sense of context whatsoever to the book of Revelation, that means it's obviously an occultic devil-worshiping page, right?

or do i just cross out Psalm 46, since it's the 666[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter of the Bible ((and falls on the 666[SUP]th[/SUP] page of the original KJV, btw, so doubly cursed))?

not sure if i'm using this number right; a little help plz
Terrible analogy. You must get your analogy forming abilities from the part of your mind that distinguishes cartoons/studio productions from reality.

Her record breaking "mission" was 666 days, so this number was specifically selected by your heroes/my villains. Your analogy involves the practical use of 666 in the numbering of a sequence of pages.

Comment on this post with a poorly constructed analogy:

[video]https://youtu.be/CzyPN8-AbJQ?t=1m31s[/video]

I have the video setup to start at 1:31, let me know what you think about that segment. It's a good video overall too.

at 9:38 they show you where the astronauts go after they get into the spaceship rocket.