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blue_ladybug

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Since when is calling self-righteous bullies and hypocrites
self-righteous bullies and hypocrites
resorting to name-calling and insults? :cool:

Because you do it all the time, to ANYONE who disagrees with you or makes comments on your posts that you don't like. Would Jesus call these guys self-righteous bullies and hypocrites? NO, I don't think he would. And he doesn't expect you to, either because believe it or not, you ARE better than how you act on here much of the time.
 
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Funny how you and sinnerman resort to name-calling and insults, just because some of the people on these threads disagree with you as to what, and how, happened on 9/11. He shows us a video of a plane practically ROLLING across the Pentagon lawn. ROLLING, NOT FLYING. It would have needed a VERY long run space to go that distance that fast, almost touching the ground. One eyewitness who was IN the Pentagon when whatever hit it, hit it, she said she crawled out through the initial impact hole and she said there were NO SIGNS a plane hit it. She said there was no outer debris strewn all over the lawn. I suppose you'll believe the "official" version, over someone who was there and witnessed it firsthand. Anyone who believes the *cough* "official" version of 911, is seriously in denial of what our government is TRULY capable of.
It's hard to have an intelligent discussion with someone who watches a reenactment of the last seconds of flight 77 and describes it as rolling across the Pentagon lawn. If you want to be treated as an intelligent person, begin acting as such. You are quick to post second hand statements, rather than find an actual quote from this woman you spoke of, and perhaps paraphrased or mis-quoted. Earlier, I was subjected to a voice-over of a person saying that no plane was anywhere near the Pentagon, as though it had any validity. It didn't. You don't understand how to present evidence. You obviously don't know how to view it and see that there were hundreds of eye-witnesses. The plane hit light poles and knocked them over. One even hit a taxi cab, with another eye-witness inside. Every time a conspiracy nut repeats something they heard from some woman, they neglect to find an actual quote from that person and they'll take what that person said out of context. The woman simple said that there were few large pieces of flight 77 left that you could tell a plane had hit the building. That's fine. She was lucky to survive and she was not investigating a plane crash, she was attempting to survive the crash. The team of people investigating the crash, found hundreds and thousands of aircraft parts, both inside and outside the Pentagon. But why do I need to say that? The evidence and pictures of the debris was posted above. It's as though you conspiracy folks prefer to wear blinders and ignore the physical evidence. Any theories you all have, you know you can't post because you have no evidence to prove them. Instead each of you states that you don't know what happened but it wasn't a plane. You don't know what happened, but it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald. Therefore it must have been LBJ, despite no evidence of his involvement. When conspiracy nuts continue following this same game plan, refusing to submit evidence and refusing to logically refute the existing proof and challenging the hundreds of eye-witnesses accounts, including military pilots in the air following flight 77 as it struck the Pentagon, you only force the more rational and intelligent people here to question your mental capabilities. Of course you will feel insulted. You don't see yourself as stupid or illogical. Yet you just read a long list of eye-witnesses and had no rebuttal to what they said they saw. Instead, you came back saying the plane depicted in the computer generated reenactment seemed to be rolling on the ground. Well, there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. You close your eyes and use a vivid imagination to dream up a conspiracy and them embrace others who do the same, most likely because you are extremely needy and want them to like you. I'm basing that on you advertising your personal demons so openly as you do, almost as a though are seeking attention. I no longer want to hear your opinions. They are void of any value.
 

blue_ladybug

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Last night you said your wife is tired of you wasting your time on here. Do her and us a favor, go pay tons of attention to her.. It's funny how you say you can't stand conspiracy theorists, yet you're here every day posting tons of videos and pictures. I think you only come here to argue with these people because you get a kick out of it.
 
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Because you do it all the time, to ANYONE who disagrees with you or makes comments on your posts that you don't like. Would Jesus call these guys self-righteous bullies and hypocrites? NO, I don't think he would. And he doesn't expect you to, either because believe it or not, you ARE better than how you act on here much of the time.
You must have missed something.
You've spent an inordinate amount of time these past few months
following me around and trying to tell me what's what,
including Jesus's opinions. Lol.You talk a good game,
but I'm not impressed with your self-righteous version of christianity.

I haven't received any prayers or words of friendship from you,
even at times when I was clearly down and reaching for help,
your treatment towards me is one of the coldest examples
of how NOT to treat someone I have ever experienced.

I'm glad people don't have to decide on believing
in Jesus based upon your cold-hearted superior airs,
but I wonder how many new ppl have turned away,
due to the likes of your kind. Or lack of kindness.
I feel bad that you've gone thru some things in your life,
and have prayed for you both publicly and in private.
I understand part of your recovery is seeking revenge,
but if you keep trying to make yourself feel better
by acting superior, you're aiming at the wrong ppl.
And I'm not the one that hurt you in the past,
you need to take it out on them, and stop trying
to make me and others pay for it.

Quite frankly, your feminazi tactics are getting rather boring.
And I believe Jesus wants better things for you than to chase
ppl around playing mother-hen with a dictatorial spirit.
But, even with all that, my hand of friendship still extends to you,
my in-box is always open if you want us to pray,
That we may with one mind and one mouth glorify God,
even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. :)
 
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[video]https://youtu.be/7uPN3XNTdv8[/video]
 

blue_ladybug

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You must have missed something.
You've spent an inordinate amount of time these past few months
following me around and trying to tell me what's what,
including Jesus's opinions. Lol.You talk a good game,
but I'm not impressed with your self-righteous version of christianity.

I haven't received any prayers or words of friendship from you,
even at times when I was clearly down and reaching for help,
your treatment towards me is one of the coldest examples
of how NOT to treat someone I have ever experienced.

I'm glad people don't have to decide on believing
in Jesus based upon your cold-hearted superior airs,
but I wonder how many new ppl have turned away,
due to the likes of your kind. Or lack of kindness.
I feel bad that you've gone thru some things in your life,
and have prayed for you both publicly and in private.
I understand part of your recovery is seeking revenge,
but if you keep trying to make yourself feel better
by acting superior, you're aiming at the wrong ppl.
And I'm not the one that hurt you in the past,
you need to take it out on them, and stop trying
to make me and others pay for it.

Quite frankly, your feminazi tactics are getting rather boring.
And I believe Jesus wants better things for you than to chase
ppl around playing mother-hen with a dictatorial spirit.
But, even with all that, my hand of friendship still extends to you,
my in-box is always open if you want us to pray,
That we may with one mind and one mouth glorify God,
even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. :)

You have prayed for me in private AND public? Well, since I do have you on ignore, (but I do occasionally read some of your posts), then obviously I wouldn't have seen any prayers you posted for me. And why do you assume that I haven't prayed for you, just because I haven't posted any? You keep berating people for not praying for you. Well, how do you know they aren't praying privately for you? They're not required to send you a pm, or post a prayer. I pray for you sometimes, not constantly, but sometimes. Thanks for the offer to pray for/ with me, it's appreciated but un-necessary. :)

"Feminazi tactics".. you really do make me laugh, sydlit. The only dictators here are the mods, and they're the authority here. Every hardship I've been through, has only served to make me stronger. I have no need for revenge. Revenge is God's job, not mine.. I'm not trying to make you "pay" for anything. You want people to take you seriously? Start acting more like a survivor, and less like a victim. You've played THAT role for far too long.
 
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sydlit

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You have prayed for me in private AND public? Well, since I do have you on ignore, (but I do occasionally read some of your posts), then obviously I wouldn't have seen any prayers you posted for me. And why do you assume that I haven't prayed for you, just because I haven't posted any? You keep berating people for not praying for you. Well, how do you know they aren't praying privately for you? They're not required to send you a pm, or post a prayer. I pray for you sometimes, not constantly, but sometimes. Thanks for the offer to pray for/ with me, it's appreciated but un-necessary. :)

"Feminazi tactics".. you really do make me laugh, sydlit. The only dictators here are the mods, and they're the authority here. Every hardship I've been through, has only served to make me stronger. I have no need for revenge. Revenge is God's job, not mine.. I'm not trying to make you "pay" for anything. You want people to take you seriously? Start acting more like a survivor, and less like a victim. You've played THAT role for far too long.
Yes, feminazi tactics.
Like accusing me of 'keeping BERATING ppl',
typical of your truth-twisting tactics.
You're a bully and a self-righteous dictator.
You don't know me nor the things I've been through,
survived, and overcome in my life. You're very nasty.

And your response to an open line for prayer speaks volumes
of what kind of 'christian' you are. You know nothing of grace,
forgiveness, reconciliation, or brotherly love.
Using the ignore button on me is just another example,
and your admission that you check in once in a while,
only to throw another of your petty complaints my way,
and then go back to ignore,
shows you're also Childish, as most dictators are.

Btw, in the time I've been here, I've seen no evidence
from the 'mods' that they are dictators in any way.
Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word?
The mods here have alot going on,
and do a pretty good job of it as well.
And I've never once had a problem with any of them,
despite your puny attempts to goad me with lies and insinuations.

Just keep playing dictator if you want.
You're becoming like the thorn in the side that Paul spoke of,
a messenger from satan sent to buffet me,
and I guess it's because you can't stand the fact
that I'm not one of your little puppets that
you enjoy turning their brown-nose blue.
Now please put me back on ignore,
unless you want to join me for prayer,
to lift up the Lord Jesus Christ,
or each other as He would lead us.

'And this is his commandment,
That we should believe
on the name if his Son Jesus Christ,
and love one another,
as he gave us commandment'.
--------------------1John3:23.
 
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blue_ladybug

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Dictators are usually the ones in charge, hence my comment about the mods being dictators. They ARE in charge on here..
 
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[video]https://youtu.be/7uPN3XNTdv8[/video]
And around and around and around you go.

Cute, another youtube video. This one titled; Flight 77: Pentagon Crash Impossible Says Flight Recorder Evidence. Well, great, accept for the fact there was no evidence presented. Just an ultra boring 10 minute and 51 second recording of an obnoxious conspiracy nut pestering some government employee.

So where is the flight recorder evidence? Why is it impossible? They show a drawing of a plane pointed towards the Pentagon and then point to where they claim two light poles were located that were struck by Flight 77, only there drawing shows the poles slightly off course for the plane to have hit them. It's really quite hilarious. When you view the actual photos of the actual light poles that were struck, they are located exactly inline with the planes flight and located just outside the Pentagon. I already posted the animation of Flight 77, showing it's direction as it came in and a slow motion tracking of it as it knocked down the five light poles and then hit the generator just outside the Pentagon before crashing. When the 3rd light pole was struck, the luminary entered the right side engine of flight 77, causing it to billow smoke just before striking the Pentagon, seen on the fish-eye security camera recording, most of us have viewed.So what could possibly motivate you to post something so utterly absurd? The title promises something never delivered. You obviously viewed it before you posted it. It's as though you are trying to help prove conspiracy nuts are out of touch with reality. Mission accomplished. Well done.

[video=youtube;YVDdjLQkUV8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&feature=player_detailpage#t=30[/video]
 
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9-11 Review: ERROR: 'Pentagon Attack Maneuvers Preclude a 757'

ERROR: 'Pentagon Attack Maneuvers Preclude a 757'
A fact frequently cited as evidence that the aircraft that attacked the Pentagon on 9/11/01 was not Flight 77, a Boeing 757, is that the aircraft tracked by air traffic controllers made a spectacular spiral dive, losing 7000 feet and turning 270 degrees in about 2.5 minutes -- a maneuver alleged to be impossible for a 757. A September 12, 2001 CBS News report described the maneuver:
Radar shows that Flight 77 did a downward spiral, turning almost a complete circle and dropping the last 7000 feet in two-and-a-half minutes.
Air traffic controller Danielle O'Brien told ABC News that the maneuver was not one expected of a jetliner:
The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air-traffic controllers, that that was a military plane. [SIZE=-1][SUP]1 [/SUP] [/SIZE]
However, the fact that the plane was being flown in a manner not typical for a jetliner does not mean it was not a jetliner. A 757 is capable of rather extreme maneuvers: It is capable of taking off on one engine, and can execute pitch accelerations of over 3.5 Gs (gravities) as demonstrated by the following incident report of an IcelandAir 757-200:
[SIZE=-1] REPORT 7/2003 - Date: 22 January 2003
serious incident to icelandair BOEING 757-200 at oslo airport gardermoen norway 22 january 2002

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1.1.14.5 At this time the First Officer called out PULL UP! - PULL UP!. The GPWS aural warnings of TERRAIN and then TOO LOW TERRAIN were activated. Both pilots were active at the control columns and a maximum up input was made. A split between left and right elevator was indicated at this time. It appears the split occurred due to both pilots being active at the controls. The pilots did not register the aural warnings. During the dive the airspeed increased to 251 kt and the lowest altitude in the recovery was 321 ft radio altitude with a peaked load factor of +3.59 gs. [/SIZE] [SIZE=-1][SUP]2 [/SUP] [/SIZE]

How does this apply to the 2.5 minute 270-degree spiral turn? The G forces produced by such a turn can be calculated using the following formula.
RCF = 0.001118 * r * N^2 where RCF = Relative Centrifugal Force (gravities) r = rotation radius (meters) N = rotation speed (revolutions per minute) If the plane were traveling at 400 miles per hour it would travel 16.666 miles, or 26,821 meters, in 2.5 minutes. Assuming it was traveling in a circular arc, it would trace out 3/4ths of a circle with a 35,761-meter circumference, giving a rotation radius of 5,691 meters and rotation speed of 0.3 rotations per minute. Plugging those values into the above equation, we obtain a centrifugal force of 0.5726 Gs -- hardly a problem for a 757 whose rated G limits are over two. [h=3]Final Approach[/h]Also cited as evidence against 757 involvement in the attack is the shallow descent angle of the aircraft as it made its final approach of the Pentagon. Photographs show no signs of gouging of the lawn by a 757's low-hanging engines, even though direct impact damage was limited to the first and second floors of the building. How could such a large aircraft be flown so close to the ground, and with such precision?

Two distinct questions are implicit in the previous one.
  • Were alleged hijackers capable of piloting the airliner through the maneuvers?
  • Could a 757-200 perform the maneuvers?
Hani Hanjour may not have been up to the task, but a 757's flight control computer seems sufficient. It's equipped with radar altimeters and accurate GPS monitors for precise altitude and position tracking. It can analyze and respond to conditions hundreds of times per second. Examples of the extreme capabilities of fly-by-wire systems are reverse swept-wing aircraft, which are inherently unstable and require rapid adjustment of the plane's control surfaces. [HR][/HR]References

[SIZE=-1]1. Air Traffic Controllers Recall Sept. 11, ABCNews, 10/24/01 [cached]
2. Aircraft Incident Report, Norwegian Accident Investigation Board, 1/22/02 [/SIZE]
 
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Flight 77 [h=2]The Third Jet Commandeered on September 11th[/h]American Airlines Flight 77 is the plane that is commonly believed to have crashed into the Pentagon. It was a Boeing 757-223 on a scheduled flight from Dulles to Los Angeles, with 58 passengers, four flight attendants, and two pilots.
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[TD][SIZE=-1] This illustration from USA Today shows the alleged flightpath of Flight 77. The loop in the middle of the outbound portion is much less pronounced in illustrations from other sources.
More accurate flight path descriptions are found in NTSB reports published in 2006. [/SIZE] [/TD]
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At 8:20 AM, Flight 77 took off from Dulles International Airport, 10 minutes after its scheduled departure time. At 8:46, Flight 77 veered severely off course. At 8:50, the last radio communication was made from the pilots and air traffic control. At 8:56, the jet's transponder was shut off. [SUP]1 [/SUP] The pilots' last transmission was "ah direct FALMOUTH American seventy seven thanks." No radio communications from the flight indicated distress. [SUP]2 [/SUP]
The NTSB report on Flight 77 describes the plane's maneuvers in detail. It began to turn to the south at 8:55, and by 9:00 it was headed east. Shortly thereafter it began to descend from its altitude of 35,000 feet. The autopilot was engaged and disengaged multiple times. At 9:29 the plane was 35 miles west of the Pentagon flying at 7,000 feet. At 9:34 it was about 3.5 miles west-southwest of the Pentagon and started a 330-degree descending right turn, bringing it to an altitude of about 2000 feet four miles southwest of the Pentagon. [SUP]3 [/SUP]
According to NORAD's September 18th timeline, the FAA didn't notify NORAD that Flight 77 was a possible hijack until 9:24, thirty-four minutes after the loss of radio communications. [SUP]4 [/SUP] Press reports couch the notification as of a "suspected" hijacking despite reports that the plane was flying toward Washington, DC with its transponder off twenty-one minutes after both towers had been hit. [SUP]5 [/SUP] [SUP]6 [/SUP]
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[h=3]Phone Calls[/h]There were two reported phone calls from Flight 77: a cell phone call from flight attendant Renee May to her mother; and a cell phone call from passenger Barbara Olson to her husband, US Solicitor General Ted Olson. Ted Olson related to Newsweek:
Barbara was calm and collected as she told him how hijackers had used boxcutters and knifes to take control of the plane and had herded the passengers and crew to the back. “Ted, what can I do?” she asked him. “What can I tell the pilot?” Then, inexplicably, she got cut off. [SUP]7 [/SUP]
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[h=3]Collision[/h]At about 9:38 AM, a twin-engine jetliner flew into the Pentagon and exploded, according to numerous eyewitnesses on the ground. The NTSB places the time of impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon at 9:37:45. A Minnesota National Guard C-130 that had just taken off from nearby Andrews Air Force Base followed the jetliner in the seconds before it crashed. The pilot of the C-130, who described the plane as either a 757 or 767, provided the following account.
It was like coming up to an intersection. When air traffic control asked me if we had him in sight, I told him that was an understatement - by then, he had pretty much filled our windscreen. Then he made a pretty aggressive turn so he was moving right in front of us, a mile and a half, two miles away.
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They told us to turn and follow that aircraft - in 20-plus years of flying, I've never been asked to do something like that. With all of the East Coast haze, I had a hard time picking him out.
The next thing I saw was the fireball. It was huge. I told Washington the airplane has impacted the ground. Shook everyone up pretty good. I told them the approximate location was close to the Potomac. I figured he'd had some in-flight emergency and was trying to get back on the ground to Washington National. Suddenly, I could see the outline of the Pentagon. It was horrible. I told Washington this thing has impacted the west side of the Pentagon. [SUP]8 [/SUP]
Whether the aircraft that crashed into the Pentagon was Flight 77 is the subject of much question and controversy. Human remains of the people onboard Flight 77 were identified at Dover, but there is no public evidence that places the bodies at the Pentagon crash site.
The impact was 83 minutes after Flight 11 first went off course, and 58 minutes after the North Tower impact, and 40 minutes after the South Tower impact, yet the jet was not intercepted as it flew over the (normally) most heavily protected airspace in the United States, and in the world.
 
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This one is also hilarious. After 9/11 truthers began claiming the Pentagon had a 40 billion dollar defense system on anti-aircraft missiles that would shoot down any plane invading their protected airspace, someone posted a simple video of a commercial flight coming in for a landing at Reagan National Airport, flying directly over....wait for it....the Pentagon.

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Do truthers live under a rock? (Skip to 0:50 to cut to the chase.)


I keep hearing the argument from truthers that it would be impossible for a commercial jet to enter the Pentagon's air space; any planes would be immediately shot down. Therefore they raise the question of how flight 77 "penetrated" this heavily guarded air space and crashed into the Pentagon. (Famous truther Jim Marrs describes it as $40 Billion dollar defense system.)


Read more at LiveLeak.com - Do truthers live under a rock? (Skip to 0:50 to cut to the chase.)


[video=youtube;wdsSfXBmcQQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdsSfXBmcQQ&feature=player_embedded#t=51[/video]
 
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i read the investment group chaired by Larry Silverstein made 4.1 billion (billion with a B) from 911 which 125 million they had invested in the towers. not bad!

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9/11 Pentagon Attack Review - American 77



9/11 Pentagon Attack Review - American 77


This is very lengthy and very thorough. Almost every conspiracy question is addressed. Flight 77 did not make an impossible turn. It was a five mile radius turn at a mere 250-300 knots. It was not done as well as a professional pilot, it was being flown somewhat sloppily. When the pilot completed the turn and lowered his elevation, he then increased the throttle prior to crashing. Read and view the evidence. I understand it won't have much affect on the super crazy conspiracy nuts, but it will easily prove to the more rational people here that there was no conspiracy. Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11.
 
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i read the investment group chaired by Larry Silverstein made 4.1 billion (billion with a B) from 911 which 125 million they had invested in the towers. not bad!

Cha-Ching!!
Of course you read that. What crazy conspiracy nut could pass up a chance to read some other crazy conspiracy theory on the internet? It's like a calling to you kooks. Meanwhile, back on planet earth, you skipped over all this evidence being presented to you and attempted to change the subject each time you are left without a response to the actual facts, not some lunatics ranting's made from his mothers basement where he spends all his time dreaming up more conspiracies.

I was just thinking, what is more disturbing, the insane remarks you post or the fact that Ladybug follows each and every one of them with a "like"? Maybe you two could get some sort of 2 for 1 priced head exam from a local shrink.
 
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Keep yapping your insults. Your mouth will get you banned. And I thought you said wifey didn't want you wasting your time in this forum anymore? Submit to her wishes and shower her with attention.
 
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Of course you read that. What crazy conspiracy nut could pass up a chance to read some other crazy conspiracy theory on the internet? It's like a calling to you kooks. Meanwhile, back on planet earth, you skipped over all this evidence being presented to you and attempted to change the subject each time you are left without a response to the actual facts, not some lunatics ranting's made from his mothers basement where he spends all his time dreaming up more conspiracies.

I was just thinking, what is more disturbing, the insane remarks you post or the fact that Ladybug follows each and every one of them with a "like"? Maybe you two could get some sort of 2 for 1 priced head exam from a local shrink.
i love your sideways answers.

are you saying they did collect , didnt collect . . . no one knows cause your replies are always out in left field.

now let the juvenile name calling begin, never mind you already started.
 
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See I was nice to you conspiracy guys ..but you all called me horrible names :(
 
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See I was nice to you conspiracy guys ..but you all called me horrible names :(
mitz you know i love you, you will always be my down home southern brother from across the river. i got a little trash fire going in the back yard and wish you were here.