Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 21.7%
  • Never

    Votes: 98 60.9%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 28 17.4%

  • Total voters
    161

Dude653

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That is a made up number. Once again you are a total joke, not to be taken seriously.
Yeah everyone's lying except for your sources.
Totally
You seem angry. Maybe have a snickers. I was just doing the math. Approximately 4.8 billion people were vaccinated and there were approximately 3 million deaths.
That comes to .0006%
 

ZNP

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Yeah everyone's lying except for your sources.
Totally
You seem angry. Maybe have a snickers. I was just doing the math. Approximately 4.8 billion people were vaccinated and there were approximately 3 million deaths.
That comes to .0006%
OK, the 3 million deaths was a number that was virtually pulled out of a hat, if it is true it only applies to the US and Europe. We have no idea how many in China have died even though they have all been vaccinated 4 times, so 4 billion doses in China without any data. So at most the 3 million deaths are from 1 billion people vaccinated, that is at most. That is not 0.0006%, that is 0.3%.

But it is much worse than that. No one, and I mean no one is alleging that the vaccine is like arsenic, one shot and you are dead. What they are saying clearly, full of evidence and data, is that the vaccine causes this stringy white stuff to form in your veins. If it gets bad enough it kills you. So if 0.3% have died what percent have this in their veins? It could be 3%, it could be 30% if could be 100% we don't know.

But there are other symptoms of this, myocarditis is one, and Bels Palsy another. So we know that even if you haven't died there are still a very good number with this condition.
 

PennEd

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No
I said I misspoke and corrected myself.
That's 12 billion doses because a lot of people took at least two doses.
So the odds of the vaccine killing you come to approximately 0006%
If you are not willing to look at the data, that was supposed to be transparent, but had to be sued to get through FOIA, that YOU claim isn't even out there, then ANYTHING you say about this topic is spoken out of deliberate, willful ignorance:

Be interesting to see if an admitted non Christian can be honest, and have integrity: Psst! There will be a quiz!

ICAN OBTAINS SHOCKING NEW V-SAFE DATA - The HighWire
 

ZNP

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If you are not willing to look at the data, that was supposed to be transparent, but had to be sued to get through FOIA, that YOU claim isn't even out there, then ANYTHING you say about this topic is spoken out of deliberate, willful ignorance:

Be interesting to see if an admitted non Christian can be honest, and have integrity: Psst! There will be a quiz!

ICAN OBTAINS SHOCKING NEW V-SAFE DATA - The HighWire
Thank you, so now we have a number that is not pulled out of the hat.

7.7% of the users of VAERS had a health event related to the vaccine. It is not reasonable to think that a website for all health events in the US would only be used by those who have been vaccinated since only about half of America has been vaccinated. So then to simplify this is looks like at least 10% of those vaccinated in the US have had a health event.

Assuming that this very large database of 10 million people can be extrapolated to the rest of the world, (especially since the US unlike the rest of the world involves all races and cultures of people) 10% of 4.8 billion people who Dude tells us have received the vaccine would be 480 million people experiencing a health event from the vaccine. That is more than the entire population of the US.

Now please note, just because you didn't get myocarditis, or Bels Palsy or some other health event does not mean that you don't have these long white strands in your veins. The best way to test if you do is to go to the gym, get your heart rate up to its maximum for five minutes and see if you collapse and die. A restricted blood flow is not necessarily a health event until you need maximum blood flow like all these world class athletes who are dying.
 

ZNP

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Thank you, so now we have a number that is not pulled out of the hat.

7.7% of the users of VAERS had a health event related to the vaccine. It is not reasonable to think that a website for all health events in the US would only be used by those who have been vaccinated since only about half of America has been vaccinated. So then to simplify this is looks like at least 10% of those vaccinated in the US have had a health event.

Assuming that this very large database of 10 million people can be extrapolated to the rest of the world, (especially since the US unlike the rest of the world involves all races and cultures of people) 10% of 4.8 billion people who Dude tells us have received the vaccine would be 480 million people experiencing a health event from the vaccine. That is more than the entire population of the US.

Now please note, just because you didn't get myocarditis, or Bels Palsy or some other health event does not mean that you don't have these long white strands in your veins. The best way to test if you do is to go to the gym, get your heart rate up to its maximum for five minutes and see if you collapse and die. A restricted blood flow is not necessarily a health event until you need maximum blood flow like all these world class athletes who are dying.
But it is worse than this. The boxes you can check are trivial, if you have a serious condition you need to write it in the box. Out of 10 million people how many wrote in a serious condition? 6 million. We don't have that information, so we can't say what the conditions were or what the percentages were. Only that 6/10 of the people using this website reported serious conditions.

This does not mean 60% of those vaccinated have a serious condition. The website involves 10 million people reporting their reaction to the vaccine. Obviously this is not just for people reporting an adverse reaction otherwise it would be 100%. However, we can imagine that people with adverse reactions would be more motivated to report them.

Once again, the job of proving the vaccine is safe and effective is with the drug company and the government that is mandating it. We are not the ones responsible to prove it isn't safe, they are the ones who are responsible to prove that it is and they are doing a horrific job of that.
 

ZNP

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If 6 million people in the US have reported serious conditions and only 150 million have been vaccinated, that is 4%. However, we know the number of adverse reactions must be much greater than 4% because not everyone reports on this platform and because it is very likely that those who die from "unknown causes" are not reporting. Once again, it looks like 10% of vaccinated people are having serious adverse health effects.
 

Dude653

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OK, the 3 million deaths was a number that was virtually pulled out of a hat, if it is true it only applies to the US and Europe. We have no idea how many in China have died even though they have all been vaccinated 4 times, so 4 billion doses in China without any data. So at most the 3 million deaths are from 1 billion people vaccinated, that is at most. That is not 0.0006%, that is 0.3%.

But it is much worse than that. No one, and I mean no one is alleging that the vaccine is like arsenic, one shot and you are dead. What they are saying clearly, full of evidence and data, is that the vaccine causes this stringy white stuff to form in your veins. If it gets bad enough it kills you. So if 0.3% have died what percent have this in their veins? It could be 3%, it could be 30% if could be 100% we don't know.

But there are other symptoms of this, myocarditis is one, and Bels Palsy another. So we know that even if you haven't died there are still a very good number with this condition.
Got these numbers from CDC data but you're probably going to say CDC is lying so I guess it's moot
 

ZNP

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Got these numbers from CDC data but you're probably going to say CDC is lying so I guess it's moot
There shouldn't be any dispute anymore over numbers, we had a FOIA request that gives us the VAERS data. Listen the link that PennEd posted, there is going to be a Quiz and you do not sound ready.

Besides you calculated 0.0006% when in reality the true number is at least 0.3%, why would I trust you with numbers?
 

Dude653

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There shouldn't be any dispute anymore over numbers, we had a FOIA request that gives us the VAERS data. Listen the link that PennEd posted, there is going to be a Quiz and you do not sound ready.

Besides you calculated 0.0006% when in reality the true number is at least 0.3%, why would I trust you with numbers?
I was just going by the numbers I got from cdc. 4.8 billion people vaccinated and it killed 3 million of them
Most young people survived Kobe but I'll be 48 in January so I'm getting closer to the higher risk groups. So even if the percentage is .3 percent, I would probably take that gamble to not die of covid. One of my classmates died from it
And to not get it and give it to my mother who's elderly because elderly people usually don't survive it
 

ZNP

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I was just going by the numbers I got from cdc. 4.8 billion people vaccinated and it killed 3 million of them
Most young people survived Kobe but I'll be 48 in January so I'm getting closer to the higher risk groups. So even if the percentage is .3 percent, I would probably take that gamble to not die of covid. One of my classmates died from it
And to not get it and give it to my mother who's elderly because elderly people usually don't survive it
The CDC is a US government organization. Only 150 million Americans have been vaccinated.

They don't have any data on the other 4.6 billion people.

How do you not understand that?

3 million / 150 million is 2%. You said 0.0006% This is why you are the last person I would take numbers from.
 

Dude653

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PennEd

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I was just going by the numbers I got from cdc. 4.8 billion people vaccinated and it killed 3 million of them
Most young people survived Kobe but I'll be 48 in January so I'm getting closer to the higher risk groups. So even if the percentage is .3 percent, I would probably take that gamble to not die of covid. One of my classmates died from it
And to not get it and give it to my mother who's elderly because elderly people usually don't survive it
Absolute, quintessential proof that they lied, AND WE TOLD YOU, that risking your life to get the "vaccine" , because you thought it would prevent her from getting COVID was a very foolish thing to do.

EU parliament member Rob Roos asked a Pfizer representative at a hearing if the mRNA vaccine was tested on preventing transmission at the time of introduction.
EU parliament member Rob Roos asked a Pfizer representative at a hearing if the mRNA vaccine was tested on preventing transmission at the time of introduction. (rumble.com)
 

ZNP

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Absolute, quintessential proof that they lied, AND WE TOLD YOU, that risking your life to get the "vaccine" , because you thought it would prevent her from getting COVID was a very foolish thing to do.

EU parliament member Rob Roos asked a Pfizer representative at a hearing if the mRNA vaccine was tested on preventing transmission at the time of introduction.
EU parliament member Rob Roos asked a Pfizer representative at a hearing if the mRNA vaccine was tested on preventing transmission at the time of introduction. (rumble.com)
People today are kind, and forgiving. If it turns out some of these executives and government officials lied to us and mandated a vaccine that wound up killing our kids and loved ones all for some nefarious reason that only the most twisted and cynical can even guess at well they will be angry, sure, but not so much that they would sin. Nope no reason we can't resolve this in a court of law with the presumption of innocence and the ability to put up a defense.

However, I'm not speaking for China, N. Korea, Iran, and Russia. They may not be willing to go through a court of law. Oh well.

I think the brunt of the world's ire will be directed at top executives and government officials. Pundits and people on forums and blogs pushing the vaccine, they will get a pass from criminal prosecution especially if they confess and repent. Sure they might get lawsuits like Alex Jones, but I doubt it will be for $4 trillion each. After all, the people suing are gonna want to get paid. Besides confessing and repenting includes compensating all those you wronged. So they will be like Zacheaus, "if I wronged anyone I'll repay 5 fold". This is how we can again be one big happy family.
 

Dude653

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Absolute, quintessential proof that they lied, AND WE TOLD YOU, that risking your life to get the "vaccine" , because you thought it would prevent her from getting COVID was a very foolish thing to do.

EU parliament member Rob Roos asked a Pfizer representative at a hearing if the mRNA vaccine was tested on preventing transmission at the time of introduction.
EU parliament member Rob Roos asked a Pfizer representative at a hearing if the mRNA vaccine was tested on preventing transmission at the time of introduction. (rumble.com)
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PennEd

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Dude. Your posts come off as ignorant, and quite frankly, dumb. I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt that they are kinda just for messing with people.

Explain how a Pfizer executive, telling an official government inquiry, that they NEVER tested their vaccine to see if it would stop transmission of the virus is anecdotal? That was the WHOLE reason you got the injection! So you couldn't give it to your mom.

They are telling you right there, and we definitively know, that it doesn't stop transmission.

You ARE permitted to say something along the lines of, "Boy, I'm sorry I gave you people such grief about the lies I bought, you were right all along".
 

ZNP

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Maybe. ...I had a sore arm for about 4 days and went on about my business
I told you how to test to see if you have these white stringy things in your veins. Depending on your age to get your heart rate up to its maximum rate for five minutes and see if you keel over and die. Obviously not everyone will die, some will have strokes, others will have a heart attack and still others will have a very serious heart attack like symptoms. Let us know how it goes.
 

Dude653

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Dude. Your posts come off as ignorant, and quite frankly, dumb. I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt that they are kinda just for messing with people.

Explain how a Pfizer executive, telling an official government inquiry, that they NEVER tested their vaccine to see if it would stop transmission of the virus is anecdotal? That was the WHOLE reason you got the injection! So you couldn't give it to your mom.

They are telling you right there, and we definitively know, that it doesn't stop transmission.

You ARE permitted to say something along the lines of, "Boy, I'm sorry I gave you people such grief about the lies I bought, you were right all along".
Ad hominem and strawman