Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 21.7%
  • Never

    Votes: 98 60.9%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 28 17.4%

  • Total voters
    161

PennEd

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I'll claim to be in the 'religion' that doesn't allow their group to take medicines!
Very glad to hear you will ATTEMPT to refuse the vaccine.

But understand what that means. They will continue to put the screws to everyone who refuses.

Your employer will likely try and force you.
Restaurants and stores will deny you entrance.
Amazon may refuse to deliver to your home.
Drs. and Hospitals will refuse to treat you.
Arenas, Stadiums, Event locations and even public parks will deny you entrance.
You will not be allowed to travel anywhere, especially by air.
The list of coercive things they do will be endless, and always dangling a return to normalcy if you conform and take their soul destroying poison.

All the while, more and more lemmings who take the vaccine will have their thoughts change. They won't even know it has happened. And they will become more and more antagonistic toward the refusers.

I tell you this not to scare you, but to prepare you in mind and spirit.

I can post similar articles about places preparing the restrictions, but here is just one sample:

WARNING SHOT Qantas will only let passengers who’ve had the Covid vaccine on their international flights
full story:
https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/travel/1845598/qantas-airline-vaccine/
 

TabinRivCA

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Very glad to hear you will ATTEMPT to refuse the vaccine.

But understand what that means. They will continue to put the screws to everyone who refuses.

Your employer will likely try and force you.
Restaurants and stores will deny you entrance.
Amazon may refuse to deliver to your home.
Drs. and Hospitals will refuse to treat you.
Arenas, Stadiums, Event locations and even public parks will deny you entrance.
You will not be allowed to travel anywhere, especially by air.
The list of coercive things they do will be endless, and always dangling a return to normalcy if you conform and take their soul destroying poison.

All the while, more and more lemmings who take the vaccine will have their thoughts change. They won't even know it has happened. And they will become more and more antagonistic toward the refusers.

I tell you this not to scare you, but to prepare you in mind and spirit.

I can post similar articles about places preparing the restrictions, but here is just one sample:

WARNING SHOT Qantas will only let passengers who’ve had the Covid vaccine on their international flights
full story:
https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/travel/1845598/qantas-airline-vaccine/
The Bible says 'don't be anxious about anything' remember? He has plans too, probably the Rapture. 'DO NOT FEAR' says the Lord (365+ times)!
 

Kojikun

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Honestly this seems similar to the multiple end time predictions that I have heard in the past decade. Were still here unfortunately. There are groups of Christian's who enjoy scaring younger Christian's, I've got gut feeling, these are the same people who predicted Trump would win and are now scrambling to cover there rear. I have no reason to trust anyone at this point.
 

PennEd

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The Bible says 'don't be anxious about anything' remember? He has plans too, probably the Rapture. 'DO NOT FEAR' says the Lord (365+ times)!
Umm. Who said anything about fear? Didn't you see where I specifically said I didn't say any of that to scare?

That's informational is all. What people do with information is up to them.
 
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The whole point of this mRNA vaccine is to instruct your cells to form new dna that will supposedly make you immune.

I can, and have, posted Christians that have gone through the technical aspect of this but if you are not going to watch the whole thing, and try to understand the mechanics of it, then you probably shouldn’t watch and just understand the same people that have started this virus, are the same ones trying to force you to take their vaccine.

What does that tell you?
Anyone can Google "How do mRNA Vaccines work" and find credible sites to read such as this one from Harvard.edu

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/rna-vaccines-a-novel-technology-to-prevent-and-treat-disease/



Figure 1: RNA vaccine technology. An RNA is injected in the body (left). This RNA encodes the information to produce the antigen, which is a protein from a pathogen, that will stimulate the immune system. Inside the cells, the RNA is used to synthesize the antigen, which is exposed to the cell surface (middle). Then, a subset of immune system cells recognizes the antigen and trigger an immune response (direct response and long-term memory) (right).

Read the full article it explains the difference between classic vaccinations using inactive virus parts and mRNA which does not use virus parts. This mRNA does not interact with or change your DNA. Anyone who thinks that it does, does not understand what they think they read. To say that RNA interacts or changes DNA is a fundamental misunderstanding of how RNA works.

Will anyone who currently posts antivaccine posts in CC read these links from universities and medical sources that are working on mRNA vaccines and believe their explanations? Probably not, but I post for the benefit of those who are still open to learn.
 
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Anyone can Google "How do mRNA Vaccines work" and find credible sites to read such as this one from Harvard.edu

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2015/rna-vaccines-a-novel-technology-to-prevent-and-treat-disease/



Figure 1: RNA vaccine technology. An RNA is injected in the body (left). This RNA encodes the information to produce the antigen, which is a protein from a pathogen, that will stimulate the immune system. Inside the cells, the RNA is used to synthesize the antigen, which is exposed to the cell surface (middle). Then, a subset of immune system cells recognizes the antigen and trigger an immune response (direct response and long-term memory) (right).

Read the full article it explains the difference between classic vaccinations using inactive virus parts and mRNA which does not use virus parts. This mRNA does not interact with or change your DNA. Anyone who thinks that it does, does not understand what they think they read. To say that RNA interacts or changes DNA is a fundamental misunderstanding of how RNA works.

Will anyone who currently posts antivaccine posts in CC read these links from universities and medical sources that are working on mRNA vaccines and believe their explanations? Probably not, but I post for the benefit of those who are still open to learn.
A follow up explaining what an mRNA does. (not the vaccine)

Messenger RNA (mRNA) is a single-stranded RNA molecule that is complementary to one of the DNA strands of a gene. The mRNA is an RNA version of the gene that leaves the cell nucleus and moves to the cytoplasm where proteins are made. During protein synthesis, an organelle called a ribosome moves along the mRNA, reads its base sequence, and uses the genetic code to translate each three-base triplet, or codon, into its corresponding amino acid.

Messenger RNAs, also known as mRNA, are one of the types of RNA that are found in the cell. This particular one, like most RNAs, are made in the nucleus and then exported to the cytoplasm where the translation machinery, the machinery that actually makes proteins, binds to these mRNA molecules and reads the code on the mRNA to make a specific protein. So in general, one gene, the DNA for one gene, can be transcribed into an mRNA molecule that will end up making one specific protein.

Lawrence C. Brody, Ph.D.
 

Moses_Young

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Honestly this seems similar to the multiple end time predictions that I have heard in the past decade. Were still here unfortunately. There are groups of Christian's who enjoy scaring younger Christian's, I've got gut feeling, these are the same people who predicted Trump would win and are now scrambling to cover there rear. I have no reason to trust anyone at this point.
Trump actually did win. The vote just hasn't been certified yet. :)
 
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Will anyone who currently posts antivaccine posts in CC read these links from universities and medical sources that are working on mRNA vaccines and believe their explanations? Probably not, but I post for the benefit of those who are still open to learn.
Everything they tell us is a lie. Now they want to inject their potions into our DNA in order to solve a fake crisis that they probably started in the first place. No thanks. Doesn't matter what their website says. I'd rather take my chances with the virus than with their cure.

Every time I hear someone peddling this corona vaccine, I can't help but to think of this scene and laugh.
 

PennEd

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Everything they tell us is a lie. Now they want to inject their potions into our DNA in order to solve a fake crisis that they probably started in the first place. No thanks. Doesn't matter what their website says. I'd rather take my chances with the virus than with their cure.

Every time I hear someone peddling this corona vaccine, I can't help but to think of this scene and laugh.
He won’t listen. He’s drank the kool aid.

He relies on the same people, and sources, that created the virus, the lockdowns, and now the genetic altering vaccine, to get his information.

I truly worry about what spirit is leading these people that so desperately want a vaccine for a virus with a Global 0.1% mortality rate.
 
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Everything they tell us is a lie. Now they want to inject their potions into our DNA in order to solve a fake crisis that they probably started in the first place. No thanks. Doesn't matter what their website says. I'd rather take my chances with the virus than with their cure.

Every time I hear someone peddling this corona vaccine, I can't help but to think of this scene and laugh.
He won’t listen. He’s drank the kool aid.

He relies on the same people, and sources, that created the virus, the lockdowns, and now the genetic altering vaccine, to get his information.

I truly worry about what spirit is leading these people that so desperately want a vaccine for a virus with a Global 0.1% mortality rate.
That is what Conspiracy liars always do. When faced with factual data they say it is part of the conspiracy. There is no data that can be presented that is considered credible if it refutes their theories. They don't need proof for their theories and any bozo with a cell phone and a youtube channel who produces a video that supports their theory is proof enough for them, even if they know it is was just made up by an actor.
What spirit is that called? A LYING SPIRIT.

but wisdom is justified of her children.
 

PennEd

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That is what Conspiracy liars always do. When faced with factual data they say it is part of the conspiracy. There is no data that can be presented that is considered credible if it refutes their theories. They don't need proof for their theories and any bozo with a cell phone and a youtube channel who produces a video that supports their theory is proof enough for them, even if they know it is was just made up by an actor.
What spirit is that called? A LYING SPIRIT.

but wisdom is justified of her children.
Tell me if you can decipher these $5 words Scribbles!

 
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This is getting a little embarrassing now. :) It's time to accept it.
Not really. But you know what is embarrassing? It's you guys screaming and whining for the past 4 years about the 2016 election outcome. (Sorry if I mis-gendered you there.)
 

Moses_Young

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I love this graphical explanation.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine.html

How the Pfizer-BioNTech Vaccine Works
By Jonathan Corum and Carl ZimmerUpdated Dec. 8, 2020



The German company BioNTech partnered with Pfizer to develop and test a coronavirus vaccine known as BNT162b2. A clinical trial demonstrated that the vaccine has an efficacy rate of 95 percent in preventing Covid-19.
A Piece of the Coronavirus
The SARS-CoV-2 virus is studded with proteins that it uses to enter human cells. These so-called spike proteins make a tempting target for potential vaccines and treatments.




Like the Moderna vaccine, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is based on the virus’s genetic instructions for building the spike protein.
mRNA Inside an Oily Shell
The vaccine uses messenger RNA, genetic material that our cells read to make proteins. The molecule — called mRNA for short — is fragile and would be chopped to pieces by our natural enzymes if it were injected directly into the body. To protect their vaccine, Pfizer and BioNTech wrap mRNA in oily bubbles made of lipid nanoparticles.



Because of their fragility, the mRNA molecules will quickly fall apart at room temperature. Pfizer is building special containers with dry ice, thermal sensors and GPS trackers to ensure the vaccines can be transported at -94 degrees Fahrenheit to stay viable.
Entering a Cell
After injection, the vaccine particles bump into cells and fuse to them, releasing mRNA. The cell’s molecules read its sequence and build spike proteins. The mRNA from the vaccine is eventually destroyed by the cell, leaving no permanent trace.





Some of the spike proteins form spikes that migrate to the surface of the cell and stick out their tips. The vaccinated cells also break up some of the proteins into fragments, which they present on their surface. These protruding spikes and spike protein fragments can then be recognized by the immune system.
Spotting the Intruder
When a vaccinated cell dies, the debris will contain many spike proteins and protein fragments, which can then be taken up by a type of immune cell called an antigen-presenting cell.





The cell presents fragments of the spike protein on its surface. When other cells called helper T-cells detect these fragments, the helper T-cells can raise the alarm and help marshal other immune cells to fight the infection.
Making Antibodies
Other immune cells, called B-cells, may bump into the coronavirus spikes and protein fragments on the surface of vaccinated cells. A few of the B-cells may be able to lock onto the spike proteins. If these B-cells are then activated by helper T-cells, they will start to proliferate and pour out antibodies that target the spike protein.





Stopping the Virus
The antibodies can latch onto coronavirus spikes, mark the virus for destruction and prevent infection by blocking the spikes from attaching to other cells.





Killing Infected Cells
The antigen-presenting cells can also activate another type of immune cell called a killer T-cell to seek out and destroy any coronavirus-infected cells that display the spike protein fragments on their surfaces.






Remembering the Virus
The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine requires two injections, given 21 days apart, to prime the immune system well enough to fight off the coronavirus. But because the vaccine is so new, researchers don’t know how long its protection might last.



It’s possible that in the months after vaccination, the number of antibodies and killer T-cells will drop. But the immune system also contains special cells called memory B-cells and memory T-cells that might retain information about the coronavirus for years or even decades.
A preliminary study found that the vaccine seems to offer protection about 10 days after the first dose, with protection increasing after the second dose.

The labels to the graphics did not copy over to the post correctly. Check out the link and see it displayed properly.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine.html

Don't get all wierd on me because it is from a New York Times post, the explanation can be read from Pfizer site but these graphics I think help one comprehend how it works easier.
 

Moses_Young

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Looks like they spent more time on the Sales and Marketing than they spent on the vaccine. Don't take it if you want to have children. Or if you simply value a long and quality life.
 

true_believer

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There have been numerous reports of allergic reactions and other side effects.....so no thanks.
 
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