Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 21.7%
  • Never

    Votes: 98 60.9%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 28 17.4%

  • Total voters
    161
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You don’t say!?

Hmm.... Your boy Bill Gates tells us something a little different than you:

No he didn't. Find the transcript where you can hear what he explains without the editing job from the liars. This video is a joke. And also you can read about how mRNA works by Googling "How does mRNA work" and you will find plenty of good explanations. This will increase as more people are asking the question and more who are involved in the technology are writing explanations for the lay person. The science journals are over my head. I can understand about half of what they say.
 
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No he didn't. Find the transcript where you can hear what he explains without the editing job from the liars. This video is a joke. And also you can read about how mRNA works by Googling "How does mRNA work" and you will find plenty of good explanations. This will increase as more people are asking the question and more who are involved in the technology are writing explanations for the lay person. The science journals are over my head. I can understand about half of what they say.
You know what. I will look it up for you. This will be a test on how easy it is to fact check things. Starting the clock at 12:47 PM EST let's see how long it takes for me to find Bill Gates full explanation that was edited for this slander video.
 
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You know what. I will look it up for you. This will be a test on how easy it is to fact check things. Starting the clock at 12:47 PM EST let's see how long it takes for me to find Bill Gates full explanation that was edited for this slander video.
The clip in question youtu.be/u1AQ5EXcJYc?t=97 shows Gates explaining how vaccines developed with mRNA technology work. Full footage provides additional context to his remarks. He said:

“What’s typically done is you take either a piece of the virus or just the spike, that thing on the surface, and you put it on something else. So there’s no risk at all of causing the disease. One final way that’s new and is promising is called the RNA vaccine. With RNA and DNA, instead of putting that shape in, you put instructions in the code to make that shape. ” The video in this claim then repeats the sentence “you put the instructions in the code to make that shape. “

Gates is saying that RNA vaccines “put instructions in the code to make that shape”, referring to the “genetic code needed” to produce a pathogen’s antigen, as explained in his blog on the subject here , which is used by the immune system to fight the disease ( here ).

Two minutes to find the full video of Bill Gates explanation.
 
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The clip in question youtu.be/u1AQ5EXcJYc?t=97 shows Gates explaining how vaccines developed with mRNA technology work. Full footage provides additional context to his remarks. He said:

“What’s typically done is you take either a piece of the virus or just the spike, that thing on the surface, and you put it on something else. So there’s no risk at all of causing the disease. One final way that’s new and is promising is called the RNA vaccine. With RNA and DNA, instead of putting that shape in, you put instructions in the code to make that shape. ” The video in this claim then repeats the sentence “you put the instructions in the code to make that shape. “

Gates is saying that RNA vaccines “put instructions in the code to make that shape”, referring to the “genetic code needed” to produce a pathogen’s antigen, as explained in his blog on the subject here , which is used by the immune system to fight the disease ( here ).

Two minutes to find the full video of Bill Gates explanation.
And in case you did not get it, the genetic code is in the mRNA that is used to read to make the Spike not the DNA. Which of course you can read about with the google "how do mRNA vaccines work" Bill Gates was referring to the genetic code in the RNA. The DNA is about the fact that our cells use DNA to translate the RNA but that is not something that the RNA has access to. It does not interact with our DNA. It gets to complicate for me to explain without making a mistake so I refer you to the explanations that you can find with a google search.
 

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The clip in question youtu.be/u1AQ5EXcJYc?t=97 shows Gates explaining how vaccines developed with mRNA technology work. Full footage provides additional context to his remarks. He said:

“What’s typically done is you take either a piece of the virus or just the spike, that thing on the surface, and you put it on something else. So there’s no risk at all of causing the disease. One final way that’s new and is promising is called the RNA vaccine. With RNA and DNA, instead of putting that shape in, you put instructions in the code to make that shape. ” The video in this claim then repeats the sentence “you put the instructions in the code to make that shape. “

Gates is saying that RNA vaccines “put instructions in the code to make that shape”, referring to the “genetic code needed” to produce a pathogen’s antigen, as explained in his blog on the subject here , which is used by the immune system to fight the disease ( here ).

Two minutes to find the full video of Bill Gates explanation.

and where is the genetic code found?
why, in the d n a.

so, as usual, you liberals say what you claim is not being said, you just use different words and think that makes it o k.....
 
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The clip in question youtu.be/u1AQ5EXcJYc?t=97 shows Gates explaining how vaccines developed with mRNA technology work. Full footage provides additional context to his remarks. He said:

“What’s typically done is you take either a piece of the virus or just the spike, that thing on the surface, and you put it on something else. So there’s no risk at all of causing the disease. One final way that’s new and is promising is called the RNA vaccine. With RNA and DNA, instead of putting that shape in, you put instructions in the code to make that shape. ” The video in this claim then repeats the sentence “you put the instructions in the code to make that shape. “

Gates is saying that RNA vaccines “put instructions in the code to make that shape”, referring to the “genetic code needed” to produce a pathogen’s antigen, as explained in his blog on the subject here , which is used by the immune system to fight the disease ( here ).

Two minutes to find the full video of Bill Gates explanation.
Good video by Gates. Needs to be posted in a separate post. That two bit video with the clip of Bill is a total mess. CRISPR was not used to develop the vaccine although researchers are looking at genes that resist the covid virus.
 
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and where is the genetic code found?
why, in the d n a.

so, as usual, you liberals say what you claim is not being said, you just use different words and think that makes it o k.....
Not following what you are trying to assert and what was wrong with Gates' explanation in the video.
 
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Gene experts claim they identified human genes that can protect against Covid-19

  • A team of CRISPR scientists at the New York Genome Center, New York University and Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai say they have identified the genes that can protect human cells against Covid-19.

  • Leading virologist at Mount Sinai, Dr. Benjamin tenOever, developed a series of human lung cell models for coronavirus screening to better understand immune responses to the disease and co-authored the study.

  • The goal was two-fold: to identify the genes that make human cells more resistant to SARS-CoV-2 virus; and test existing drugs on the market that may help stop the spread of the disease.
Full source:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/20/cri...ntified-genes-that-protect-against-covid.html
 
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and where is the genetic code found?
why, in the d n a.

so, as usual, you liberals say what you claim is not being said, you just use different words and think that makes it o k.....
The genetic code is found in the mRNA. You armadillos should read about something before you attempt to speak about it. Google "how does the mRNA vaccine work"

I am using the word armadillo to show you how your usage of the word liberal does not even apply to the conversation. :)

And by the way I am a Republican and a conservative if you want to know how I vote. But what does that have to do with anything? I think you will find that the majority of conservatives are not antivaxxers so you should quit using the word liberal as it simply discredits whatever point you were trying to make.
 

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Vaccines vs Christ




What exactly has any vaccine cure since it's implementation ???​

What has Christ cure since He sent out those that believe in His name ...​

Just a simple question for believing practitioner of medicine and every other person that wishes to partake of this thread . I doubt those believers followed the guide lines of the Roman Empire after Christ declared those attributes that were given to them that Believer in Christ ...​

The Great Commission

Mark 16

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Can you see that there is a movement that is trying to exchange the Great Commission for a man made cure that can never cure ...​

In hopes for edifying , Shalom to the Brethren ...​
 
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Vaccines vs Christ




What exactly has any vaccine cure since it's implementation ???​

What has Christ cure since He sent out those that believe in His name ...​

Just a simple question for believing practitioner of medicine and every other person that wishes to partake of this thread . I doubt those believers followed the guide lines of the Roman Empire after Christ declared those attributes that were given to them that Believer in Christ ...​

The Great Commission

Mark 16

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Can you see that there is a movement that is trying to exchange the Great Commission for a man made cure that can never cure ...​

In hopes for edifying , Shalom to the Brethren ...​
Paul left Trophimus in Miletus sick. He told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach sake and oft infirmities. So if you are asking what the Bible teaches about healing you will notice that people were still sick even when others were healed.

The bible does not teach that Christians will never get sick and if they do they must not take medication, have a surgery or take a vaccine.

I have been praying for the vaccine since June and I believe God heard my prayers and granted us all mercy. I give God praise for these vaccines and consider it a holy and Godly thing to do so and in line with the Scriptures.

If you can pray for them and see them recover 100% of the time then keep it up. Thanks for following the scriptures. If you are not laying hands on COVID patients and seeing them recover then you really have no authority to direct people not to take a vaccine.
 
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Vaccines vs Christ
The Great Commission

Mark 16

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Maybe you shouldn't be putting faith in questionable verses:

Question: "Should Mark 16:9-20 be in the Bible?

Answer: Although the vast majority of later Greek manuscripts contain Mark 16:9-20, the Gospel of Mark ends at verse 8 in two of the oldest and most respected manuscripts, the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. As the oldest manuscripts are known to be the most accurate because there were fewer generations of copies from the original autographs (i.e., they are much closer in time to the originals), and the oldest manuscripts do not contain vv. 9-20, we can conclude that these verses were added later by scribes. The King James Version of the Bible, as well as the New King James, contains vv. 9-20 because the King James used medieval manuscripts as the basis of its translation. Since 1611, however, older and more accurate manuscripts have been discovered and they affirm that vv. 9-20 were not in the original Gospel of Mark.

In addition, the fourth-century church fathers Eusebius and Jerome noted that almost all Greek manuscripts available to them lacked vv. 9–20, although they doubtless knew those other endings existed. In the second century, Justin Martyr and Tatian knew about other endings. Irenaeus, also, in A.D. 150 to 200, must have known about this long ending because he quotes verse 19 from it. So, the early church fathers knew of the added verses, but even by the fourth century, Eusebius said the Greek manuscripts did not include these endings in the originals.


Full info:

https://www.gotquestions.org/Mark-16-9-20.html
 
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Focus on the Family interview.


COVID-19 Vaccines: What You Need to Know - Dr. Daniel Hinthorn & Dr. Scott James

 
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I am from the UK and very international in my outlook. What we are seeing in the USA is absolutely shameful.

You don't know what you have until it is taken away from you.

You shall know them by their fruits. We have been shown mercy, grace and forgiveness by our heavenly father and like Jesus we are expected to behave like that. Christian life is all about maturing in Christ and growing up.. and becoming more like Him in character. If you can't see that in the person that says it all.

As Christians we should be looking for evidenced based information and they are a lot of good experts who have tremendous integrity and might not be my kind of Christian BUT that doesn't give me the right to CLAIM I am the only right kind of Christian... how dare I judge the soul of another human being as the only true judge is Jesus!! But God has said their fruits will give me the discernment I need to choose wisely. Please note God's image in all of us as HE is our creator.

So just because someone claims to be a christian and supports all the policies I like but their fruit and character says otherwise there must be a warning bell in my mind. WORDS MATTER as it leads to thoughts and then actions and habits and CHARACTER.

Someone can be honest and full of integrity but have different beliefs or policies doesn't mean I have to DEMONISE them but my responsibility is look at the overall CHARACTER of the person and the servanthood of the person. I am extremely imperfect and so are all our political systems and all of us. HENCE WE ALL NEED JESUS DESPERATELY TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY HIM.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven Matthew 5 1-3


DON'T LET GOOD BE THE ENEMEY OF PERFECT!
 
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I am from the UK and very international in my outlook. What we are seeing in the USA is absolutely shameful.

You don't know what you have until it is taken away from you.

You shall know them by their fruits. We have been shown mercy, grace and forgiveness by our heavenly father and like Jesus we are expected to behave like that. Christian life is all about maturing in Christ and growing up.. and becoming more like Him in character. If you can't see that in the person that says it all.

As Christians we should be looking for evidenced based information and they are a lot of good experts who have tremendous integrity and might not be my kind of Christian BUT that doesn't give me the right to CLAIM I am the only right kind of Christian... how dare I judge the soul of another human being as the only true judge is Jesus!! But God has said their fruits will give me the discernment I need to choose wisely. Please note God's image in all of us as HE is our creator.

So just because someone claims to be a christian and supports all the policies I like but their fruit and character says otherwise there must be a warning bell in my mind. WORDS MATTER as it leads to thoughts and then actions and habits and CHARACTER.

Someone can be honest and full of integrity but have different beliefs or policies doesn't mean I have to DEMONISE them but my responsibility is look at the overall CHARACTER of the person and the servanthood of the person. I am extremely imperfect and so are all our political systems and all of us. HENCE WE ALL NEED JESUS DESPERATELY TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY HIM.

Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven Matthew 5 1-3


DON'T LET GOOD BE THE ENEMEY OF PERFECT!
I don't know what you are saying.