Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 21.7%
  • Never

    Votes: 98 60.9%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 28 17.4%

  • Total voters
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This is interesting:

The Novavax vaccine is different from the Oxford/AstraZeneca and the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines. It contains spike proteins, produced by moth cells infected with a genetically modified virus, together with a substance called an adjuvant, which boosts the immune response.
A youtube is being created as we speak with a "Doctor" in a lab coat explaining how this vaccine will change your DNA to birth moth / human nephilim babies and usher in the return of the Nephilim. :ROFL:
 

JohnDB

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This is interesting:

The Novavax vaccine is different from the Oxford/AstraZeneca and the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines. It contains spike proteins, produced by moth cells infected with a genetically modified virus, together with a substance called an adjuvant, which boosts the immune response.
Close...the matrix from a moth holds the spike proteins from the coronavirus. The matrix looks like a Chinese finger trap...
 

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Better than what? Than getting their V590 and V591 vaccines. NOT BETTER THAN GETTING other vaccines. Why would anyone not quote their entire statement? Because by quoting part of their statement it sounds like they said that it is better to get COVID and get over it than it is to get a vaccine. But that is not what they said. Why would anyone want to make others think that is what they said? I will let you or others answer that question.
Ya..they said you could also take a vaccine..but lets not discount they did say it would also be better to get covid and recover. Why won’t you admit to that? They could have just said take another vaccine.
 
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Ya..they said you could also take a vaccine..but lets not discount they did say it would also be better to get covid and recover. Why won’t you admit to that? They could have just said take another vaccine.
They did not say that. Read their full statement from their website. They never said that it was better to get COVID and recover. An honest person would go to the source and find out what they said instead of insisting that they said something without checking their press release and reading their own words. Once you compare their own words to what you have seen posted you can then call the other posters dishonest liars and be done with them forever.

Merck Discontinues Development of SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 Vaccine Candidates; Continues Development of Two Investigational Therapeutic Candidates
KENILWORTH, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today announced that the company is discontinuing development of its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccine candidates, V590 and V591, and plans to focus its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 research strategy and production capabilities on advancing two therapeutic candidates, MK-4482 and MK-7110. This decision follows Merck’s review of findings from Phase 1 clinical studies for the vaccines. In these studies, both V590 and V591 were generally well tolerated, but the immune responses were inferior to those seen following natural infection and those reported for other SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccines. Merck continues to advance clinical programs and to scale-up manufacturing for two investigational medicines, MK-7110 and MK-4482 (molnupiravir); molnupiravir is being developed in collaboration with Ridgeback Bio.
https://www.merck.com/news/merck-di...f-two-investigational-therapeutic-candidates/


Merck said the article was false
In a statement issued to USA TODAY, Merck said the article is false.

Merck announced Jan. 25 it would halt development of its two COVID-19 vaccines following Phase 1 trials after both generated fewer neutralizing antibodies than other candidates, USA TODAY reported.

While Merck did say its vaccines produced an inferior immune response to those who survived "following natural infection," the company did not say its vaccines were less effective than "just contracting the virus itself and developing antibodies," as the article purports.

Merck said in its announcement that it would submit its vaccine Phase 1 study results "for publication in a peer-reviewed journal" and would concentrate on developing possible treatments for the virus.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...accine-work-based-immune-response/4292935001/

Fact check: Vaccine company did not say it is better to fight COVID-19 than get the vaccine

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...t-covid-19-than-get-the-vaccine-idUSKBN29Z0SB
 

JohnDB

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I am not a virologist nor an immunologist and neither are you. My casual conversation is about the the unknown factors of our immune system reaction to this virus. Maybe the virologist is not nearly as confused as I am. Maybe they can explain what exactly it is that triggers the deadly storm of immune reactions in some people and not in others and I have not read about it yet, because frankly I am praising God that we have a vaccine and plan to get it and be done with this thing. Solution found. End of story. Moving on to the next challenge like how to plant a church in an area that needs to be evangelized.
Actually I am married to a woman who is intimately involved with research scientists. We have way too many friends that have their doctorate's.
(And for whatever reason I think I'm normal... maybe sub-normal)

The guys who have been instrumental in finding the specific antibodies and developing the mRNA vaccines and a bunch of other stuff involving this pandemic are accessible by my wife and I.
They work here in Nashville TN at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
 
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Actually I am married to a woman who is intimately involved with research scientists. We have way too many friends that have their doctorate's.
(And for whatever reason I think I'm normal... maybe sub-normal)

The guys who have been instrumental in finding the specific antibodies and developing the mRNA vaccines and a bunch of other stuff involving this pandemic are accessible by my wife and I.
They work here in Nashville TN at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
I have often thought that if I were not called to preach the Gospel and pastor, (the greatest calling in the world) I would have wanted to be a virologist or an immunologist. Saving lives is a noble calling.
 

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I have a simplistic view about whether to take the vaccine or not:
1. The companies making it are owned by global elistists. That should set off some red flashers in your mind.
2. Most, if not all vaccines have added chemicals such as aluminum to jumpstart the immune system to fight against the virus.
3. Many vaccines are developed from fetal tissue from abortedbabies.
4. I probably still have the aluminum in my body from my baby shots since it NEVER passes out of the body.
5. Aluminum causes inflammation in the body, leading to arthritis & either creates an overactive immune system or destroys it.

So...... No.
 

JohnDB

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I have a simplistic view about whether to take the vaccine or not:
1. The companies making it are owned by global elistists. That should set off some red flashers in your mind.
2. Most, if not all vaccines have added chemicals such as aluminum to jumpstart the immune system to fight against the virus.
3. Many vaccines are developed from fetal tissue from abortedbabies.
4. I probably still have the aluminum in my body from my baby shots since it NEVER passes out of the body.
5. Aluminum causes inflammation in the body, leading to arthritis & either creates an overactive immune system or destroys it.

So...... No.
Your antiperspirant and meals cooked in aluminum pots have more aluminum than any vaccine.
 

JohnDB

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I have often thought that if I were not called to preach the Gospel and pastor, (the greatest calling in the world) I would have wanted to be a virologist or an immunologist. Saving lives is a noble calling.
Well let's just say that the math, chemistry, and computer modeling are much easier in your field. The environment of cutthroats is the same.
 
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Your antiperspirant and meals cooked in aluminum pots have more aluminum than any vaccine.
And mRNA vaccines don't use human cells or any other kind in development.

If one is considering a Recombinant virus DNA vaccine that uses cells to develop the vaccine one can research to see if they used mammalian cells or "ethically derived" cells instead of the cloned fetus cells that came from two aborted fetuses in the 1960s and have been continuously cloned from the same strain. I can understand why someone would not want to use such vaccines based on principles. Of course saying that the vaccine dosage itself contains fetus cells is not true but I can understand why someone would not want to use a dosage that used these cells in the development process to create the antigen that is in the dosage.

All ingredients are listed for any vaccine and research can be done to determine what each molecule is. Many of the technical names are just salts and sugars to make it acceptable to the blood which is used to salts and sugars. Nothing toxic about it but because it has a chemical compound name it freaks people out. Then they run off an say dumb stuff. :)
 

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Your antiperspirant and meals cooked in aluminum pots have more aluminum than any vaccine.
True, but that doesn't get needled into my bloodstream, does it? Neither will it end up in my lynph nodes.
 

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Many of the technical names are just salts and sugars to make it acceptable to the blood which is used to salts and sugars. Nothing toxic about it but because it has a chemical compound name it freaks people out. Then they run off an say dumb stuff. :)
So, people run off and say dumb stuff. Big names freak people out, do they?
So are you saying this to make everyone think I'm one of those people, or you just willing to say anything to win the argument & elevate yourself?

I would suggest you keep your insults to yourself & quit judging people. People would be more prone then to believe you're the preacher you say you are.:)
 
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So, people run off and say dumb stuff. Big names freak people out, do they?
So are you saying this to make everyone think I'm one of those people, or you just willing to say anything to win the argument & elevate yourself?

I would suggest you keep your insults to yourself & quit judging people. People would be more prone then to believe you're the preacher you say you are.:)
There are hundreds of thousands of people who say dumb stuff about vaccines every day. My statement is a fact. People who talk about mercury in certain vaccines because of Thimerosal would be an example of people who say dumb stuff. They hear that it has mercury and then they run off and say dumb stuff about how vaccines inject people with mercury "and we all know how poisonous mercury is don't we?" Dumb stuff. Based on gross ignorance. This is an old ingredient in old vaccines that is not used anymore but the facts about it were often unknown by those who claimed that vaccines poisoned people with mercury. Your aluminum statement reminded me of the mercury argument. I have included information about aluminum adjuvants in vaccine at the end.

About Thimerosal
Mercury is a naturally occurring element found in the earth’s crust, air, soil, and water. Two types of mercury to which people may be exposed — methylmercury and ethylmercury — are very different.

Methylmercury is the type of mercury found in certain kinds of fish. At high exposure levels methylmercury can be toxic to people. In the United States, federal guidelines keep as much methylmercury as possible out of the environment and food, but over a lifetime, everyone is exposed to some methylmercury.

Thimerosal contains ethylmercury, which is cleared from the human body more quickly than methylmercury, and is therefore less likely to cause any harm.

Thimerosal prevents the growth of bacteria in vaccines.
Thimerosal is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose (multi-dose vials) to prevent growth of germs, like bacteria and fungi. Introduction of bacteria and fungi has the potential to occur when a syringe needle enters a vial as a vaccine is being prepared for administration. Contamination by germs in a vaccine could cause severe local reactions, serious illness or death. In some vaccines, preservatives, including thimerosal, are added during the manufacturing process to prevent germ growth.

The human body eliminates thimerosal easily.
Thimerosal does not stay in the body a long time so it does not build up and reach harmful levels. When thimerosal enters the body, it breaks down to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate, which are readily eliminated.

Thimerosal has been shown to be safe when used in vaccines.
Thimerosal use in medical products has a record of being very safe. Data from many studies show no evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines.

There are some side effects of thimerosal in vaccines.
The most common side-effects are minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. Although rare, some people may be allergic to thimerosal.

Scientific research does not show a connection between thimerosal and autism.
Research does not show any link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder. Many well conducted studies have concluded that thimerosal in vaccines does not contribute to the development of autism. Even after thimerosal was removed from almost all childhood vaccines, autism rates continued to increase, which is the opposite of what would be expected if thimerosal caused autism.


Adjuvants have been used safely in vaccines for decades.
Aluminum salts, such as aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, and aluminum potassium sulfate have been used safely in vaccines for more than 70 years. Aluminum salts were initially used in the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s with diphtheria and tetanus vaccines after it was found they strengthened the body’s immune response to these vaccines.

Newer adjuvants have been developed to target specific components of the body’s immune response, so that protection against disease is stronger and lasts longer.

In all cases, vaccines containing adjuvants are tested for safety and effectiveness in clinical trials before they are licensed for use in the United States, and they are continuously monitored by CDC and FDA once they are approved.
 

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True, but that doesn't get needled into my bloodstream, does it? Neither will it end up in my lynph nodes.
If you want to believe that be my guest...
Just like you are free to believe in the lizard people, pizza gate, flat earth and that Vaccines are bad for you.
 

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They did not say that. Read their full statement from their website. They never said that it was better to get COVID and recover. An honest person would go to the source and find out what they said instead of insisting that they said something without checking their press release and reading their own words. Once you compare their own words to what you have seen posted you can then call the other posters dishonest liars and be done with them forever.

Merck Discontinues Development of SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 Vaccine Candidates; Continues Development of Two Investigational Therapeutic Candidates
KENILWORTH, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today announced that the company is discontinuing development of its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccine candidates, V590 and V591, and plans to focus its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 research strategy and production capabilities on advancing two therapeutic candidates, MK-4482 and MK-7110. This decision follows Merck’s review of findings from Phase 1 clinical studies for the vaccines. In these studies, both V590 and V591 were generally well tolerated, but the immune responses were inferior to those seen following natural infection and those reported for other SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccines. Merck continues to advance clinical programs and to scale-up manufacturing for two investigational medicines, MK-7110 and MK-4482 (molnupiravir); molnupiravir is being developed in collaboration with Ridgeback Bio.
https://www.merck.com/news/merck-di...f-two-investigational-therapeutic-candidates/


Merck said the article was false
In a statement issued to USA TODAY, Merck said the article is false.

Merck announced Jan. 25 it would halt development of its two COVID-19 vaccines following Phase 1 trials after both generated fewer neutralizing antibodies than other candidates, USA TODAY reported.

While Merck did say its vaccines produced an inferior immune response to those who survived "following natural infection," the company did not say its vaccines were less effective than "just contracting the virus itself and developing antibodies," as the article purports.

Merck said in its announcement that it would submit its vaccine Phase 1 study results "for publication in a peer-reviewed journal" and would concentrate on developing possible treatments for the virus.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...accine-work-based-immune-response/4292935001/

Fact check: Vaccine company did not say it is better to fight COVID-19 than get the vaccine

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...t-covid-19-than-get-the-vaccine-idUSKBN29Z0SB
From the article...

Vaccine manufacturer Merck has abandoned development of two coronavirus vaccines, saying that after extensive research it was concluded that the shots offered less protection than just contracting the virus itself and developing antibodies.
If this isn’t true..why say it?
 

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Looks like athletes don’t even have to take the vaccine before the olympics...surely they all have time to get vaccinated by then?

REVEALED: Olympic athletes WON'T need Covid-19 vaccine for Tokyo 2020, they can only 'clap rather than cheer and sing' when watching team-mates and they MUST avoid bars and public transport
It had previously been reported that all athletes would need to be vaccinated against Covid in a bid to save the Games and compete in Tokyo but that idea has been quashed by organisers.

As organisers set out a series of measures in the IOC's first 'Playbook', it was revealed that athletes are in fact not required to be vaccinated ahead of the Olympics - which are due to begin on July 23 and end on August 8.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/o...ipate-Tokyo-2020-games-organisers-reveal.html
 

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True, but that doesn't get needled into my bloodstream, does it? Neither will it end up in my lynph nodes.
Do you understand the absorption process as related to your skin? Take a look at just how close lymph nodes are to your application area.
 
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From the article...



If this isn’t true..why say it?
You must be reading my post too fast: Once more; They did not say that. It is a misquote.

The article you are getting your information from is misquoting Merck. If you go to the Merck press release and read it for yourself you see that they said:

"This decision follows Merck’s review of findings from Phase 1 clinical studies for the vaccines. In these studies, both V590 and V591 were generally well tolerated, but the immune responses were inferior to those seen following natural infection and those reported for other SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccines. "

Do you not see the difference between saying : "but the immune responses were inferior to those seen following natural infection and those reported for other SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccines." (what Merck actually said in their press release)

and what someone is saying that they said:

saying that after extensive research it was concluded that the shots offered less protection than just contracting the virus itself and developing antibodies. (which is not what they said or intended anyone to think they said)

I won't reiterate again. If you still don't see the difference in these statements I am not interested in arguing about it.
 
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Johnson & Johnson exec on single-shot vaccine: 'Complete protection against death and hospitalization'
Stoffels believes 100 million single-shot vaccines will be distributed by the summer

"That is going to make a huge difference in the U.S. for many, many people to get protected from the disease, but also for the country to get back to normal," Stoffels continued.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/johnson-johnson-executive-vaccine-complete-protection-death