Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

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Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine if it is considered safe and effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 35 21.7%
  • Never

    Votes: 98 60.9%
  • I will wait a year or more to see what happens with people who take it.

    Votes: 28 17.4%

  • Total voters
    161

TruthSeekerJG

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I know many question the Seventh Day Adventist Church, but they are easily the most Protestant Church today. This church actually believes the head of the Catholic Church is the anti-christ, and the Sunday Sabbath is the mark of the beast. I don't know if they are correct, but there is a possibility that they are. My faith has been heavily influenced by the Seventh Day Adventist Church, Messianic Rabbis, Baptist, Jewish Rabbis, and Calvary Chapel Churches. I feel this was a good back ground, but know others will disagree.

Yes, I know the Catholic Church is busy with politics, so it's no surprise.

Just wanted to thank you for the conversation last night, that was a real blessing sharing ideas with a like minded believer.
Likewise! Enjoyed the conversations. I actually somewhat agree with that because they have distorted the true timing of Sabbat in order to worship on "SUN"day. There's a lot of pagan symbolism within and all around the Vatican, which has NOTHING to do with Jesus. Especially at the pantheon, which has all pagan gods (little g), which all throughout the Word we can see that God was going against these false deities. Especially during the times of Babylon. We're still fighting against these false gods till this day. The main one is the "Queen of Heaven" masquerading as Mary in the Catholic church. The same ancient pagan god and practices.

Does it also surprise you that Thomas Jefferson wanted the same obelisk and capitol building that the vatican has? And how was he a believer? There is a lot going on under the scenes if we are vigilant.

Definitely can share some resources that explain in depth of the history unseen. Heard of Tom Horn? Really intelligent guy that has literally gone everywhere in order to find out the truth.
 

ZNP

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They literally mock us and boast about their plans right in front of our faces.
Why not, anyone stupid enough to listen to that drivel is a complete idiot. Can you imagine they rejected the Bible, mocked the word of God, for that garbage? "No way out" Really? How about turn off the stupid video game.

You want advice on how not to become demon possessed so you listen to David Bowie? You would have to be an idiot.
 

TruthSeekerJG

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Why not, anyone stupid enough to listen to that drivel is a complete idiot. Can you imagine they rejected the Bible, mocked the word of God, for that garbage? "No way out" Really? How about turn off the stupid video game.
I can, because through technology they have found out a way to completely hypnotize us and draw us in through the lust of the eyes, desires, etc. I personally was drawn into the entertainment paradigm through worldly games, movies, and music. Straight up doctrines of demons! Not only that, once we start reading the Word and rightly dividing the truth, then we can see that it's antichrist doctrine. A counterfeit doctrine. That's when we really notice that something is not right when we constantly see these types of doctrines all throughout secular media they keep throwing at us, including the so-called news.
 

Aidan1

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I never said that Covid-19 wasn't real. I denied the fact that it is a pandemic based on the statistics of survival rate, which is similar to the common flu. I'm sorry to hear that about your friends and hope the best. Prayers. I would ask to think out side of the box of medical protocols and easy diagnosis by giving drugs, and give more advice about good nutrition. Nutrition should be the #1 protocol within the medical field. Except we have strayed away from it.

I also disagree that this pandemic has nothing to do with Christians, in fact, I think it has everything to do with us as far as setting the stage for the eradication of Christians, which is biblical in Revelation. What I mean by setting the stage, is that our rights are being stripped away to the point where we WILL NOT be able to buy, sell, or trade, even travel. We can just tell by the policies that have been put into place, which pretty much condemns us if we go against the world mindset. If we research the history of vaccines and find out the truth of the dangers of them, wouldn't you want to share that truth? Instead of going along with what we wish would work? Since when was it ever natural to inject ourselves, let alone pierce and infiltrate a closed system (our body) that God created?

Again prayers!
Without vaccines we would have pocks, polio, ebola, rabies, Tetanus and all the nice deseases we have not now.
Is it devils work to produce vaccines, pills and all the medicine we have?
Is it devils work to use internet?

I dont believe that Christians will enter the tribulation time. So I dont must have fear because of rev. 13 and for shure not about the vaccine.
For that Christians suffer persecution today, has nothing to do with the vaccine.
I am no time in this Pandemie was forced to deny Christ or was forbidden to read my bible. Through Internet I could have fellow ship with other believers World wide.
But there are many brothers and sisters in the world which have not this freedom.
And this has nothing to do with corona! It has to do with following Christ!
 

ZNP

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Without vaccines we would have pocks, polio, ebola, rabies, Tetanus and all the nice deseases we have not now.
Is it devils work to produce vaccines, pills and all the medicine we have?
Is it devils work to use internet?

I dont believe that Christians will enter the tribulation time. So I dont must have fear because of rev. 13 and for shure not about the vaccine.
For that Christians suffer persecution today, has nothing to do with the vaccine.
I am no time in this Pandemie was forced to deny Christ or was forbidden to read my bible. Through Internet I could have fellow ship with other believers World wide.
But there are many brothers and sisters in the world which have not this freedom.
And this has nothing to do with corona! It has to do with following Christ!
Well without vaccines countries like Chad, and ten other African countries don't have Covid.
 

kinda

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Likewise! Enjoyed the conversations. I actually somewhat agree with that because they have distorted the true timing of Sabbat in order to worship on "SUN"day. There's a lot of pagan symbolism within and all around the Vatican, which has NOTHING to do with Jesus. Especially at the pantheon, which has all pagan gods (little g), which all throughout the Word we can see that God was going against these false deities. Especially during the times of Babylon. We're still fighting against these false gods till this day. The main one is the "Queen of Heaven" masquerading as Mary in the Catholic church. The same ancient pagan god and practices.

Does it also surprise you that Thomas Jefferson wanted the same obelisk and capitol building that the vatican has? And how was he a believer? There is a lot going on under the scenes if we are vigilant.

Definitely can share some resources that explain in depth of the history unseen. Heard of Tom Horn? Really intelligent guy that has literally gone everywhere in order to find out the truth.
Yeah, Vatican City, London, and Washington D.C. all have the same stuff. Haven't heard of Tom Horn, what is his site?

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Aidan1

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Well without vaccines countries like Chad, and ten other African countries don't have Covid.
Well a reason for less corona in africa can be a cross immunity with other similar virus then Covid.
Fact is that we have in america and europe an different picture. And this has nothing to do with the vaccine. The most people died with covid when the vaccine was not full given.
But you are free to velieve what you want.
 

kinda

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Will Australia be the model for the rest of the world?!?!

https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=5083

Australian Army Transferring COVID-Positive Cases & Contacts To Quarantine Camps

"The Australian army has begun forcibly removing residents in the Northern Territories to the Howard Springs quarantine camp located in Darwin, after nine new Covid-19 cases were identified in the community of Binjari. The move comes after hard lockdowns were instituted in the communities of both Binjari and nearby Rockhole on Saturday night.

"Residents of Binjari and Rockhole no longer have the five reasons to leave their homes," said Northern Territory chief minister, Michael Gunner, referring to the country's five allowable reasons to avoid lockdown (buying food and supplies, exercising for up to two hours, care or caregiving, work or education if it can't be done from home, and to get vaccinated at the nearest possible location).

"They can only leave for medical treatment, in an emergency, or as required by law.""
 

ZNP

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Will Australia be the model for the rest of the world?!?!

https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=5083

Australian Army Transferring COVID-Positive Cases & Contacts To Quarantine Camps

"The Australian army has begun forcibly removing residents in the Northern Territories to the Howard Springs quarantine camp located in Darwin, after nine new Covid-19 cases were identified in the community of Binjari. The move comes after hard lockdowns were instituted in the communities of both Binjari and nearby Rockhole on Saturday night.

"Residents of Binjari and Rockhole no longer have the five reasons to leave their homes," said Northern Territory chief minister, Michael Gunner, referring to the country's five allowable reasons to avoid lockdown (buying food and supplies, exercising for up to two hours, care or caregiving, work or education if it can't be done from home, and to get vaccinated at the nearest possible location).

"They can only leave for medical treatment, in an emergency, or as required by law.""
Thankyou, this will probably be the playbook for NY
 

TruthSeekerJG

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Without vaccines we would have pocks, polio, ebola, rabies, Tetanus and all the nice deseases we have not now.
Is it devils work to produce vaccines, pills and all the medicine we have?
Is it devils work to use internet?

I dont believe that Christians will enter the tribulation time. So I dont must have fear because of rev. 13 and for shure not about the vaccine.
For that Christians suffer persecution today, has nothing to do with the vaccine.
I am no time in this Pandemie was forced to deny Christ or was forbidden to read my bible. Through Internet I could have fellow ship with other believers World wide.
But there are many brothers and sisters in the world which have not this freedom.
And this has nothing to do with corona! It has to do with following Christ!
Sorry, but where does it say in the Word that we will escape persecution even death, let alone the "Great Tribulation?" Another can of worms. For those of us that do believe that we will be going through the Great Tribulation and experience antichrist are plainly just seeing how everything is unfolding.

All those diseases that you listed above could have been prevented without a vaccine. Somewhere along the lines that culture forgot about good health and hygiene. I dare you to ask a true Israelite if they caught those diseases, especially after following the guidelines laid out by God. In fact, when disease hit in the countries they occupied, guess who didn't catch them?

To ignore a pandemic of virus/or diseases is ignoring the warning that Jesus gave us when He said, "there will be pestilence and disease!" Except, I personally believe and many others believe that this is a false flag event that they can capitalize on. The very fact that they've convinced many to already take the vaccine is pretty alarming, especially in the way that have been doing it. Repetition after repetition until we finally give up and give in. Unless we were already deceived into taking vaccines in the first place, even though all throughout history we somehow have been able to survive without them. Now it's getting to the point where we are being coerced into taking the vaccines!

I understand that brothers and sisters don't have these freedoms that we have, but you really think this is freedom? In order to live the dream we have to be asleep. This is modern day slavery with the illusion that we have freedom. We don't have freedom if the majority are working a 9-5 job, let our children get raised by the state instead of parents, etc. Granted, we do have freedoms to do what we want and I understand that it's strict in other countries, but look at where it's headed now through the medical tyranny that is going on!

Also, keep in mind that whatever man can use for good, he can also use for evil, including the internet, which is literally the knowledge of the world at the palm of our hands. GOOD AND EVIL!
 

ZNP

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Sorry, but where does it say in the Word that we will escape persecution even death, let alone the "Great Tribulation?" Another can of worms. For those of us that do believe that we will be going through the Great Tribulation and experience antichrist are plainly just seeing how everything is unfolding.

All those diseases that you listed above could have been prevented without a vaccine. Somewhere along the lines that culture forgot about good health and hygiene. I dare you to ask a true Israelite if they caught those diseases, especially after following the guidelines laid out by God. In fact, when disease hit in the countries they occupied, guess who didn't catch them?

To ignore a pandemic of virus/or diseases is ignoring the warning that Jesus gave us when He said, "there will be pestilence and disease!" Except, I personally believe and many others believe that this is a false flag event that they can capitalize on. The very fact that they've convinced many to already take the vaccine is pretty alarming, especially in the way that have been doing it. Repetition after repetition until we finally give up and give in. Unless we were already deceived into taking vaccines in the first place, even though all throughout history we somehow have been able to survive without them. Now it's getting to the point where we are being coerced into taking the vaccines!

I understand that brothers and sisters don't have these freedoms that we have, but you really think this is freedom? In order to live the dream we have to be asleep. This is modern day slavery with the illusion that we have freedom. We don't have freedom if the majority are working a 9-5 job, let our children get raised by the state instead of parents, etc. Granted, we do have freedoms to do what we want and I understand that it's strict in other countries, but look at where it's headed now through the medical tyranny that is going on!

Also, keep in mind that whatever man can use for good, he can also use for evil, including the internet, which is literally the knowledge of the world at the palm of our hands. GOOD AND EVIL!
I have a blog called "Summary of Bible verses on the Rapture", there do appear to be quite a few verses sprinkled throughout the Bible that say this, while at the same time it is certain that all the martyrs we have seen during the church age will see a whole new batch during the tribulation. But the Bible says that the believers are not appointed to wrath, and the Great tribulation (last 3 1/2 years) is when God's wrath is poured out, so I would say the Bible is quite clear that believers will not be here at that time.
 

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I have a blog called "Summary of Bible verses on the Rapture", there do appear to be quite a few verses sprinkled throughout the Bible that say this, while at the same time it is certain that all the martyrs we have seen during the church age will see a whole new batch during the tribulation. But the Bible says that the believers are not appointed to wrath, and the Great tribulation (last 3 1/2 years) is when God's wrath is poured out, so I would say the Bible is quite clear that believers will not be here at that time.
Well, we can't morph the two together. Great Tribulation and Wrath. They are two separate things. All throughout the bible you see martyrs and that's it. Except for the case of Enoch and Elijah, but other than that, the disciples were persecuted and died horrible deaths for standing up for the faith. Including many other martyrs till this day until the Lord returns.
 

JohnDB

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If you could provide information that these researchers and experts know, then I would like to review them please. Even specifically talk to one of them in order to get their view. To reason in order to get to the Truth of the matter.

Also, what conspiracies do you believe in, very curious, because it seems you take a left political world view of what's going on, regardless if you claim "a-political," but what hinted to this assumption is from your accusation against conservatives as the culprit. Even though a lot of them still take the vaccine... This isn't mocking, but to simply understand what your talking about, thanks.

Blessings!
I'm driving home today... maybe later. I'm in the middle of nowhere GA heading to TN...
But take it for granted that I'm extremely knowledgeable in this subject and you absolutely don't know what you are talking about.
 

TruthSeekerJG

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I'm driving home today... maybe later. I'm in the middle of nowhere GA heading to TN...
But take it for granted that I'm extremely knowledgeable in this subject and you absolutely don't know what you are talking about.
Ok, well I'll be waiting for you to educate me with all your knowledge. One thing I would specifically like to talk about is the "spike protein."
 

Aidan1

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Sorry, but where does it say in the Word that we will escape persecution even death, let alone the "Great Tribulation?" Another can of worms. For those of us that do believe that we will be going through the Great Tribulation and experience antichrist are plainly just seeing how everything is unfolding.

All those diseases that you listed above could have been prevented without a vaccine. Somewhere along the lines that culture forgot about good health and hygiene. I dare you to ask a true Israelite if they caught those diseases, especially after following the guidelines laid out by God. In fact, when disease hit in the countries they occupied, guess who didn't catch them?

To ignore a pandemic of virus/or diseases is ignoring the warning that Jesus gave us when He said, "there will be pestilence and disease!" Except, I personally believe and many others believe that this is a false flag event that they can capitalize on. The very fact that they've convinced many to already take the vaccine is pretty alarming, especially in the way that have been doing it. Repetition after repetition until we finally give up and give in. Unless we were already deceived into taking vaccines in the first place, even though all throughout history we somehow have been able to survive without them. Now it's getting to the point where we are being coerced into taking the vaccines!

I understand that brothers and sisters don't have these freedoms that we have, but you really think this is freedom? In order to live the dream we have to be asleep. This is modern day slavery with the illusion that we have freedom. We don't have freedom if the majority are working a 9-5 job, let our children get raised by the state instead of parents, etc. Granted, we do have freedoms to do what we want and I understand that it's strict in other countries, but look at where it's headed now through the medical tyranny that is going on!

Also, keep in mind that whatever man can use for good, he can also use for evil, including the internet, which is literally the knowledge of the world at the palm of our hands. GOOD AND EVIL!
But you believe the vaccine is evil. Others believe vaccines, pills, medicaments are good.
Everything is given from God and belongs to God. So it is not wrong to take a vaccine or medicine or a car or Internet, or Glases or 3rd teeth.
 

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But you believe the vaccine is evil. Others believe vaccines, pills, medicaments are good.
Everything is given from God and belongs to God. So it is not wrong to take a vaccine or medicine or a car or Internet, or Glases or 3rd teeth.
Well, unless the intention is to play God, instead of simply following Him. I'm all for herbs, vitamins, minerals, healthy foods, which already have medicinal value to them. Especially Fasting, which I would consider a staple. That's one, if not the main way to clean out our system. I also don't think that God intended us to find the quick fix and then keep living an unhealthy lifestyle, which a majority do today. Meaning that instead of changing their lifestyle, they rather take a pill that big pharma gives them, which possibly has more side effects than going in. That's another deception we are under for the sake of convenience instead of doing what is right.

Never said we can't use a car, internet, glasses, and 3rd teeth (even though there might be harmful chemicals). Like I said these are all good, but at the same time can be used for evil, especially when we are ignorant of the outcome from using these inventions. Meaning instead of disciplining ourselves from the abilities that God has given us, we're just handing them over to technology for the sake of convenience.

Why go through the trouble of manufacturing mass vaccines when we can build a bullet proof immunity without it? Is it because of convenience? Or because they told us and pretty much convinced us that it is a necessity? That's what I'm against.

That seems eerily similar to just burning sacrifices to God and then continuing on in sin, which He got tired of. Just going through the motions, but not really wanting change. Finding every excuse for us to continue on doing what we want.
 

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Well, unless the intention is to play God, instead of simply following Him. I'm all for herbs, vitamins, minerals, healthy foods, which already have medicinal value to them. Especially Fasting, which I would consider a staple. That's one, if not the main way to clean out our system. I also don't think that God intended us to find the quick fix and then keep living an unhealthy lifestyle, which a majority do today. Meaning that instead of changing their lifestyle, they rather take a pill that big pharma gives them, which possibly has more side effects than going in. That's another deception we are under for the sake of convenience instead of doing what is right.

Never said we can't use a car, internet, glasses, and 3rd teeth (even though there might be harmful chemicals). Like I said these are all good, but at the same time can be used for evil, especially when we are ignorant of the outcome from using these inventions. Meaning instead of disciplining ourselves from the abilities that God has given us, we're just handing them over to technology for the sake of convenience.

Why go through the trouble of manufacturing mass vaccines when we can build a bullet proof immunity without it? Is it because of convenience? Or because they told us and pretty much convinced us that it is a necessity? That's what I'm against.

That seems eerily similar to just burning sacrifices to God and then continuing on in sin, which He got tired of. Just going through the motions, but not really wanting change. Finding every excuse for us to continue on doing what we want.
My main point is that anything man can use for good, he can find a way to use for evil. I'm also a major advocate of just living a healthy lifestyle and to quit being dependent on technology for everything. Over 50% of America is obese and the #1 killer is heart disease. Which one is the real pandemic? Our unhealthy lifestyle, or contracting a virus that still has the same survival rate as the common flu?
 

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Over 10,000 vaccine deaths in South Korea shortly after vaccination
The government says it wasn't the vaccine, but is compensating victims in a few serious cases. I'd estimate that that the true figure closer to 40,000 people that have been killed to date.

Steve Kirsch



Today’s story comes via my friend Sid Mehta who worked for me at Mouse Systems nearly 40 years ago.
He sent me this Zerohedge article which appears not to have gotten much attention by the mainstream media in the US for some reason… I can’t imagine why. It it details over 10,000 deaths shortly after vaccination in South Korea.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/over-10000-vaccine-deaths-in-south

"Ivermectin was discarded unceremoniously till now, but Japan has demonstrated that the drug can be used as a more effective cure and a permanent substitute for the Coronavirus vaccines produced by big pharmaceutical companies.

The Pandemic in Japan was going out of control, yet the Japanese government was smart enough to look beyond vaccines in its COVID-19 containment efforts.
In September, Japan deployed Ivermectin and legalising the use of the anti-parasitic drug has helped people recover from COVID-19 with more durable and long-lasting immunity. Caseloads have come down rapidly without the need for booster vaccination doses. In Tokyo, there were around 6,000 cases in the middle of August, but the number has now dropped down to below one hundred.
Japan is now overcoming the Coronavirus, with the number of COVID tests dropping from 25% in the fag end of August to just 1% mid-October.
Ivermectin use is thus helping Japan permanently beat the COVID-19 Pandemic. If and when vaccine efficacy wanes, Japan will have a choice- using an anti-parasitic medicine as a permanent cure to ensure speedy recovery of infected patients with durable immunity. Japan has thus crushed Big Pharma with a small move- deploying the use of Ivermectin."​
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-is-japan-crushing-covid
 

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Yeah, Vatican City, London, and Washington D.C. all have the same stuff. Haven't heard of Tom Horn, what is his site?

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Mainly prophetic, but he literally delves into the unknown history of things. They also have their own news platform called, "skywatchnews," which was actually banned from YouTube due to censorship. You can download their app, or go to rumble to view. He also just recently did a documentary explaining the destiny of America, which is pretty eye opening because he explains the founding of this country. Here's the link for that video and it's cheap: https://defenderconference.uscreen.io/programs/tom-horn-secret-destiny-16428a?offset=7752

He's also written numerous books, which are very informative, but I sometimes wonder if it's too far down the rabbit hole. So I would exercise caution. Derek and Sharon Gilbert are also great authors.

On YouTube here are some of the channels I watch:
Shaking My Head Productions: He's really good at compiling the media together in order to show the agenda.
End Time Productions
Alpha and Omega Productions

Again, I would just be careful to go down the rabbit hole, but it is very eye opening. At least to be aware of, a different perspective from the normal stuff. I'm also open to others opinions of what they think about it. Reasoning in other words in order to get to the Truth.
 

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Mainly prophetic, but he literally delves into the unknown history of things. They also have their own news platform called, "skywatchnews," which was actually banned from YouTube due to censorship. You can download their app, or go to rumble to view. He also just recently did a documentary explaining the destiny of America, which is pretty eye opening because he explains the founding of this country. Here's the link for that video and it's cheap: https://defenderconference.uscreen.io/programs/tom-horn-secret-destiny-16428a?offset=7752

He's also written numerous books, which are very informative, but I sometimes wonder if it's too far down the rabbit hole. So I would exercise caution. Derek and Sharon Gilbert are also great authors.

On YouTube here are some of the channels I watch:
Shaking My Head Productions: He's really good at compiling the media together in order to show the agenda.
End Time Productions
Alpha and Omega Productions

Again, I would just be careful to go down the rabbit hole, but it is very eye opening. At least to be aware of, a different perspective from the normal stuff. I'm also open to others opinions of what they think about it. Reasoning in other words in order to get to the Truth.
Yes the Bible talks about the iluminati and Freemasons:

Psalm 2
1 Why do the nations conspire
and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth rise up
and the rulers band together
against the Lord and against his anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break their chains
and throw off their shackles.”

4 The One enthroned in heaven laughs;
the Lord scoffs at them.
5 He rebukes them in his anger
and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,
6 “I have installed my king
on Zion, my holy mountain.”


I may not be what you would call an "expert" but it seems to that God is saying they are a joke.