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ZNP

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OT type prophets are not with us today. They will, however show up once again during Daniel's 70th week.

Anyone who claims to be a prophet in this day and age should be ignored IMO.
How do you reconcile your opinion with the word of the Lord in Matthew?

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

How does someone get a gold medal in the 100 meter dash if they aren't a sprinter? How does someone get the same persecution as a prophet and the same reward as a prophet without being a prophet?

I just said "thus saith the Lord" when I referred to His words in Matthew.
 

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Vaccine Passports are still very much in play
 

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Don't worry, they aren't putting the vaccine into the grasshoppers and locusts. Now you know why John the Baptist ate locusts. Enjoy.
I hear camel hair garments are making a comeback too. I wonder if wide ties will?
 

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‘More Masks, More Covid’: New Study Shows Masks Did Worse Than Nothing Against Coronavirus

https://beckernews.com/more-masks-m...worse-than-nothing-against-coronavirus-44952/
What do you mean by worse? The masks are excellent at collecting phlem and germs, giving them a nice warm, moist place to breed, and then transmitting respiratory diseases. Not only were they excellent at doing that they also were very effective at causing cognitive delays in children by blocking them from seeing the faces and making it hard to understand what is being said. Not only that but it gave the AI an opportunity to try and identify people with masks on by all the other characteristics. And that is not all, you can easily identify who the most compliant and obedient are from those who are thinking for themselves.
 

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What do you mean by worse? The masks are excellent at collecting phlem and germs, giving them a nice warm, moist place to breed, and then transmitting respiratory diseases. Not only were they excellent at doing that they also were very effective at causing cognitive delays in children by blocking them from seeing the faces and making it hard to understand what is being said. Not only that but it gave the AI an opportunity to try and identify people with masks on by all the other characteristics. And that is not all, you can easily identify who the most compliant and obedient are from those who are thinking for themselves.
the last line is the most important.

who will be the first that will take the mark??

the first to wear the masks.
 

ZNP

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the last line is the most important.

who will be the first that will take the mark??

the first to wear the masks.
I'm more interested in who will stand for the Lord despite getting your head chopped off for your testimony.
 

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would that not be one in the same??
I wouldn't look at it as two sides to the same coin, rather those that take the mark are the lost coins.
 

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Following other gods like keeping Christmas with all the pagan idols and symbols or Easter with all those pagan idols and symbols.

6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and worship other gods’—which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 any of the gods of the peoples around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other— 8 you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him. 9 Instead, you must kill him. Your hand is to be the first against him to put him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death for trying to turn you away from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the place of slavery. 11 All Israel will hear and be afraid, and they will no longer do anything evil like this among you.
We probably will have to agree to disagree about Christmas and Easter, as I hold them to be celebrations of Christ's birth, death and resurrection, rather than pagan idolatry or symbolism.

There is also this

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

This does not refer to someone interpreting scripture incorrectly like Apollos. You have to say that the Lord gave you this word, this would refer to the Mormon's and the book of Mormon.
This was the part I was referring to. If someone is giving dates about something coming to pass in God's name, I'd call that false prophecy. Or are you saying he was giving the dates in his own name? For those claims, can we not refer to Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only"?
 

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This was the part I was referring to. If someone is giving dates about something coming to pass in God's name, I'd call that false prophecy. Or are you saying he was giving the dates in his own name? For those claims, can we not refer to Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only"?
I don't know anything about the person in question. What he said or didn't say.

However, if someone interprets the Bible without ever claiming that "God told me this" then it is Bible interpretation, it isn't being a false prophet. Apollos didn't fully understand the Bible, didn't make him a false prophet.

A key element to being a false prophet in the OT is telling people to follow a false god. Many of these cult leaders who were telling people that the rapture would be on a certain date were also telling them to sell their houses, give him the money and then follow him out to the wilderness. Obviously a false prophet making merchandise off of people.

But again, if the person is simply interpreting the Bible, never saying they got some special word from God, they aren't telling you to sell your house or buy their book or send them money and you cannot make any claim that they are pushing some phony god then not only does the Bible not call them a false prophet but you will be condemned if you call them a false prophet. Calling to stone such a person would make you a murderer, at least in your heart.

Here is the irony. False prophets have completely infiltrated the church, they are associated with FreeMasons and Jesuits. They give money, get on the board of directors and then forbid pastors from talking about prophecy or the rapture. The biggest problem the church has right now is that pastors will not talk about 25% of the Bible and will definitely not relate current events to Bible prophecy. The reason for this is to sell the antichrist as the coming Messiah to the poorly educated Christians during the tribulation.
 

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We probably will have to agree to disagree about Christmas and Easter, as I hold them to be celebrations of Christ's birth, death and resurrection, rather than pagan idolatry or symbolism.
To the pure all things are pure. No doubt many Christians feel this way and it may be true. But let's ask a few questions first.

Does your church put up a Christmas tree?

If the answer is no then you may be right. If the answer is yes, then let me ask about a 10 year old kid who has grown up in that church, gone to Sunday school but never read the bible. Would it be reasonable for that kid to think that the Christmas tree and the presents under the tree are part of the Bible? Now if the answer to that question is yes, then it is no longer about you knowing that an idol is nothing and eating in an idol's temple, but instead emboldening those weaker in the faith to eat in an idols temple.

The bottom line is that if the church puts up a Christmas tree they have given their seal of approval to the pagan worship of this idol even if those who are stronger in the faith know that it is nothing.

I could go on. Perhaps you don't teach your kids that Santa is bringing them presents in the middle of the night. But you have given a fig leaf to all parents that do and are meeting at the church.

Now some pastors feel guilty and so will speak on this to make sure everyone understands that Jesus was not born on Christmas, the tree is not part of the Bible, Santa is a lie, etc. But that doesn't justify putting up that tree. You give that message in one meeting of the year, yet that tree is up for two months. It is simply the testimony of a guilty conscience because you know kids are being damaged.

This is not hypothetical. Anyone who has preached the gospel knows that many people were turned off from the Bible as soon as they learned that Santa was a lie.
 

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And now a second question concerning Christmas and Easter.

What is the real reason that pastors and churches are steadfast to hold onto these pagan practices? I have heard pastors making it very clear they understand they are pagan and yet they still put up the tree. Could it be that these two days are the two days they get the biggest attendance and also the most donations in the year?
 

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And now a third question.

If you "celebrate Christmas" in the US do your kids watch the Christmas movies?

Let's look at these.

Some are obviously evil:

The Grinch and Scrooge are both slandering anyone who doesn't celebrate this holiday. Make a similar movie about Islam and they would issue a Fatwa. Satan is the slanderer, these movies are clearly coming from Satan.

The Miracle on 42nd Street -- clearly ties in faith to God to faith in Santa. As evil and twisted as it gets.

Charlie Brown's Christmas -- all about the worship of the Christmas tree. Call that tree an idol and it is as though you hate Charlie Brown.

Then there are a whole bunch of movies and cartoons that create this whole world of "spiritual characters" like Santa, Easter bunny, Abominable snowman, etc. that make kids think that these characters are no different from the ones in the Bible.

It's a wonderful life -- most people would assume this is the best and most wholesome movie of the bunch. It centers on an angel named Clarence trying to save a suicidal man. Clarence is a man who died several hundred years prior to this movie and his job is to save our hero so he can get his wings. So they present angels as dead people, and they present angels as the ones who preach the gospel of salvation. In order to save this man Clarence let's him see what life would be like if he had never lived. This isn't a movie about what life would be like if Jesus never lived. The gospel is of good works, not of redemption. This is the best Christmas movie there is and it does not present Jesus, does not present His salvation, it is man centered and filled with errors.

You don't get to pick and choose, if you celebrate Christmas you take the whole thing and you feed it to your kids, and they watch this year in and year out. They are pickled in this stuff.
 

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Here is the Biblical definition:

Deuteronomy 13:1 “If a prophet or someone who has dreams arises among you and proclaims a sign or wonder to you, 2 and that sign or wonder he has promised you comes about, but he says, ‘Let us follow other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us worship them,’ 3 do not listen to that prophet’s words or to that dreamer. For the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul. 4 You must follow the Lord your God and fear Him. You must keep His commands and listen to His voice; you must worship Him and remain faithful to Him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he has urged rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the place of slavery, to turn you from the way the Lord your God has commanded you to walk. You must purge the evil from you.

Following other gods like keeping Christmas with all the pagan idols and symbols or Easter with all those pagan idols and symbols.

6 “If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, ‘Let us go and worship other gods’—which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 any of the gods of the peoples around you, near you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other— 8 you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him. 9 Instead, you must kill him. Your hand is to be the first against him to put him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death for trying to turn you away from the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the place of slavery. 11 All Israel will hear and be afraid, and they will no longer do anything evil like this among you.

For example the New Age movement.

There is also this

Deuteronomy 18:20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

This does not refer to someone interpreting scripture incorrectly like Apollos. You have to say that the Lord gave you this word, this would refer to the Mormon's and the book of Mormon.

Before you decide to stone someone better makes sure you understand the law.
What I mean is "future telling" bro. The days of OT type prophets (Daniel, Ezekiel etc) are over as far as we are concerned.

The "speaking forth" aspect is of course remains our obligation.
 

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What I mean is "future telling" bro. The days of OT type prophets (Daniel, Ezekiel etc) are over as far as we are concerned.

The "speaking forth" aspect is of course remains our obligation.
Thus sayeth the Lord, the fig tree generation that began when Israel, the fig tree, sprouted again in 1948 will not pass away until we see Jesus coming again in power and glory on the cloud.

You mean like that?
 

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We probably will have to agree to disagree about Christmas and Easter, as I hold them to be celebrations of Christ's birth, death and resurrection, rather than pagan idolatry or symbolism.
9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. 10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; 11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

This is not hypothetical, it is a fact. Many children are turned off from the church and from the Bible when they discover that they were lied to about Christmas.

12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

This is the sin against Christ. Yes, you sit there sing "Hark the Herald Angels Sing, Glory to the Newborn King" and you are worshipping Jesus. But your 8 year old is singing "Rudolph the Red nose reindeer" and praying to Santa for toys. Jesus died for that child and you will be held accountable for this.

13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

This is my stance on Christmas and Easter. It isn't about me. It is about the children who are weak in the faith.
 

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Thus sayeth the Lord, the fig tree generation that began when Israel, the fig tree, sprouted again in 1948 will not pass away until we see Jesus coming again in power and glory on the cloud.

You mean like that?
Yes like that. There were in fact a very few "future telling" prophets in the early Church. But again, the canon of Scripture is now complete. No need for further commentary.

You know, I do agree that the "captivity of the nation" of 606BC is in fact over. Israel is now a soverign nation once again.

Great analysis here. 2520 years to the day in fact.

The 360-Day Prophetic Year (watchmanbiblestudy.com)