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PennEd

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How do you know she is really hearing from God?

Let's take a look at a similar case

Matthew 27:19 And while he was sitting on the judgment-seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that righteous man; for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

This is Pilate's wife, not a "real" prophet. How do we know that she is really hearing from God? Today there are a lot of people having dreams, how do we know they are really from God? It is quite clear, even from their own testimony, that many of these people have never shared or spoken on the Bible before. How do we know if this is real or just too much pizza? The fact is that this woman does have a remarkable track record, but doesn't matter, let's treat her the same as Pilate's wife.

1. The Bible is a more sure word of prophecy. The Bible tells you how to discern a righteous man. Barabbas was not a righteous man, the other thieves on the cross were not righteous men, Pilate is supposed to be trained in discerning who is and who is not a righteous man.

You yourself (PennEd) have made a very strong case that the US is responsible for genocide with this vaccine they have pushed and sold around the world. You have been claiming that the US has plowed iniquity and sown trouble. So based on the Bible you have made a case that the US will reap what they have sowed.

2. You are supposed to release the righteous, Pilate doesn't need a dream from his wife to know what he is supposed to do. Pilate knows that Jesus is righteous and the religious leaders are the ones who aren't.

The purpose of the dream is not anything that we don't already know. It is not hard to see that the US has become Sodom and Gomorrah, I think it was Billy Graham that said if God didn't judge the US like this then He would have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. The worship of Satan has been in our face with various Superbowl, Grammy and Olympic celebrations. I think you would agree that the leaders of this country are the corrupt ones and need to be judged. I have been telling you and anyone who reads the thread on the corruption of the deep state that all of this stuff is being brought into the light so that we know what the judgment will be, but that the white hats will not bring salvation, only judgment. Today the names of the visitors to Epstein island have been made public so you know that the globalists are now like Scarface. I have also shared extensively on how the US is the Great Babylon in Revelation 18 whose judgement will come in one hour (not to be confused with Revelation 17 which is describing the Vatican).

18 For he knew that for envy they had delivered him up.

So the debate that you aren't sure this dream is from God is a red herring, or straw man argument. It is irrelevant. You know that what the US is doing is wrong, her dream is simply a merciful warning from God. So simply making this argument is changing the subject. It doesn't matter who she is hearing from, the question is should you mandate the vaccine, yes or no? Should you steal the election, yes or no? Should you send $100 billion to Ukraine to start WWIII, yes or no? Should the US blow up the Nordstream 2, yes or no? Has anyone repented for their sins, their corruption, their pedophilia? You don't want to answer that question, so instead you debate whether or not this dream is really hearing from God. The Bible makes it clear that all judgement has been given to the Son and He alone has the authority to execute judgment on the earth. It should not surprise you that the prayers of the saints have been rising asking the Lord "how long O holy and true will you not judge those on the Earth and avenge our blood"

3. By the mouth of two or three witnesses let a thing be established. The reason God will send these dreams, visions and prophetic speakings is so that you are without excuse.

I have posted at least 50 dreams that confirm, at least in part, what she is sharing here or elsewhere. These dreams date all the way back to the 1980s and some of these saints have had many of their words absolutely verified. I believe what she is saying has also been verified.

22 Pilate saith unto them, What then shall I do unto Jesus who is called Christ? They all say, Let him be crucified. 23 And he said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out exceedingly, saying, Let him be crucified. 24 So when Pilate saw that he prevailed nothing, but rather that a tumult was arising, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent [j]of the blood of this righteous man; see ye to it.

Is that how the law works? If the crowd is crying out for blood then the judge can simply wash his hands of it and he is absolved of all responsibility? We saw a representative of NATO do the exact same thing yesterday.

This is not about Pilate, this is about us. What are you going to do when the going gets tough? You have to choose between the right thing to do and the easy thing to do? What will you do when doing the thing you know to be right is going to cost you?

When you are in this situation and you realize your job, your position, your social status is at stake it doesn't simply affect you it also affects your wife. So God giving the dream to His wife was God being merciful and telling Pilate, don't worry, your wife will understand. Pilate doesn't need to release Jesus because his wife had a dream, no, Pilate needs to know that his wife will understand if he does release Jesus and as a result gets relieved of his duties (gets fired).

The point of the Dream is simply you need to repent of your sins, put your full trust in the Lord and look to Him for salvation.
I can answer each point you make here, but it would just be waaay more instructive if you my post again and simply answer the questions. They are not unreasonable.

NOWHERE in that post did I say she wasn't right or was a false prophet.
Has this woman had previous "dreams and visions" that came true? Has she had any that did not?

Seems to me China has been threatening for a very long time now.

Eastern Standard Time?

Why were you not allowed to say anything, and by whom? Who is the "we" that has been trying to delay this?

Yes. This is very likely. Martin Armstrong's computer, that is apparently never wrong, predicts a Civil War in America in 2024.

Are the specifics of targets only from this woman's dream? I didn't watch the whole thing. I would need to see her "prophetic" track record before she becomes credible.
 

ZNP

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I can answer each point you make here, but it would just be waaay more instructive if you my post again and simply answer the questions. They are not unreasonable.

NOWHERE in that post did I say she wasn't right or was a false prophet.
My point is very simple. The Bible is a more sure word of prophecy. The only takeaway I would encourage anyone to get from her dream is when you see China invade Taiwan so that the US media is completely focused on China, if you live in one of those cities she said was going to get nuked, get in your car and get 200 miles away. That is the point of the specifics of that dream, so you know (like Lot) that you need to leave and you can plan where to go.

If you don't live within 200 miles of a city that she said would be nuked there is really nothing for you to do but what the Bible says, confess, repent, and follow Jesus obeying His words to you.

If you do live in one of those cities then you have the link to her ministry, listen for yourself to her posts and take them to the Lord in prayer.

There is a reason why I check her site everyday. There are only two prophets that I check their site everyday, she is one of them, the other one you have probably never heard of, his site is U B Ready.

However, if you want to know why then I have answered this in my blog, Summary of Bible references concerning the rapture.

But at this point I'm not interested in answering your question other than what I have said. I don't care if you believe her, and the only thing I am willing to get into a debate over is the word of God in the Bible.
 

ZNP

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I can answer each point you make here, but it would just be waaay more instructive if you my post again and simply answer the questions. They are not unreasonable.

NOWHERE in that post did I say she wasn't right or was a false prophet.
So then the key points from the Bible I would be willing to debate.

1. The US is the Great Babylon described in Revelation 18 (not 17) whose judgement will come in one hour. I think this is very important for everyone in the world to see because when this judgement does come it will confirm your faith not shake it. This destruction of Babylon in one hour will shock and terrify the world. The believers should know it is coming and be sounding the warning so that the "shock and awe" can be "the latter rain" that causes a great revival as people turn to the Lord.

Consider this, if you see the day is approaching rapidly, then where is the US in prophecy? We can see Israel, Iran, Turkey, Russia, Europe and even China in the prophecies. But no USA?! How could the book of Revelation ignore the US? However, if the US is the Great Babylon in Revelation 18 it doesn't ignore it.

2. The US will reap what they have sown. This is why my blog has gone extensively into current events with the US. I have mentioned JFK's assassination, RFK, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Medgar Evers, and have discussed the governments involvement. I have talked about 911, the Mortgage Meltdown, Iran Contra, the two Iraq wars and WMD's, Election fraud, Pandemic, the Vaccine, Hunter Biden's laptop, Epstein Island, Censorship, FBI involvement, FISA warrants, Steel Dossier, Hillary and Bill Clinton, etc. All of these sins are meticulously laid out in the OT prophets as well as the principles of judgement in the New Testament.

3. God is merciful and will send us a warning before the judgment falls. Sodom and Gomorrah, as well as Noah's ark both have this component in the story.

4. God will also tell us the plans of the enemy that they plot in secret.

If there is any other critical component of this dream that you would like to discuss the Biblical basis for I would be happy to do that.
 

PennEd

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So then the key points from the Bible I would be willing to debate.

1. The US is the Great Babylon described in Revelation 18 (not 17) whose judgement will come in one hour. I think this is very important for everyone in the world to see because when this judgement does come it will confirm your faith not shake it. This destruction of Babylon in one hour will shock and terrify the world. The believers should know it is coming and be sounding the warning so that the "shock and awe" can be "the latter rain" that causes a great revival as people turn to the Lord.

Consider this, if you see the day is approaching rapidly, then where is the US in prophecy? We can see Israel, Iran, Turkey, Russia, Europe and even China in the prophecies. But no USA?! How could the book of Revelation ignore the US? However, if the US is the Great Babylon in Revelation 18 it doesn't ignore it.

2. The US will reap what they have sown. This is why my blog has gone extensively into current events with the US. I have mentioned JFK's assassination, RFK, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Medgar Evers, and have discussed the governments involvement. I have talked about 911, the Mortgage Meltdown, Iran Contra, the two Iraq wars and WMD's, Election fraud, Pandemic, the Vaccine, Hunter Biden's laptop, Epstein Island, Censorship, FBI involvement, FISA warrants, Steel Dossier, Hillary and Bill Clinton, etc. All of these sins are meticulously laid out in the OT prophets as well as the principles of judgement in the New Testament.

3. God is merciful and will send us a warning before the judgment falls. Sodom and Gomorrah, as well as Noah's ark both have this component in the story.

4. God will also tell us the plans of the enemy that they plot in secret.

If there is any other critical component of this dream that you would like to discuss the Biblical basis for I would be happy to do that.
Understand all that.

Not sure why you are word salading my simple questions.

I'm not against you or this woman. Your defensiveness telling, but unwarranted.
 

ZNP

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Understand all that.

Not sure why you are word salading my simple questions.

I'm not against you or this woman. Your defensiveness telling, but unwarranted.
Has this woman had previous "dreams and visions" that came true? Has she had any that did not?

Don't know, she has said things that have convinced me she is speaking from God, she has also convinced Stan Johnson of Prophecy club, but I am not interested in being an expert on someone's dreams and visions. It is much harder to say something has not come true. So I listen to these with an open mind and am only looking for insight into the word of God, not some new thing.

Seems to me China has been threatening for a very long time now.

Agreed. I would point out that I have inferred the reason we will be focused on them is because of the prophesied attack on Taiwan, that was not in this dream.

Eastern Standard Time?

She didn't say. She lives in Tennessee and I would think if you were talking about the judgment on the US you would use Washington DC as the time zone.

Why were you not allowed to say anything, and by whom?

I can guess that if I or the others said anything sooner the censors and other instruments of repression would have shut down our ministries. This is why I am not on Youtube or Facebook or any of those platforms as I have already been shut down twice and forced to leave.

Who is the "we" that has been trying to delay this?

No comment.

Yes. This is very likely. Martin Armstrong's computer, that is apparently never wrong, predicts a Civil War in America in 2024.

Not familiar with this unless it is something I did see a little about. I don't pay attention to anything that does not help me get light on the word of God.

Are the specifics of targets only from this woman's dream?

No. Dimitri Duduman, Ken Peters and a whole host of others have seen much the same thing.
 

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Trudy got his booser? I meant to say did Trudy ACTUALLY get his booster...?????

 

ZNP

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Wasn't Trudeau a visitor to Epstein Island?
 

cv5

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Wasn't Trudeau a visitor to Epstein Island?
Not sure. But he was roommate with a convicted pedophile. Read the link. Pretty condemning for sure.

Justin Trudeau's Long-Term Friend Jailed After International Pedophile Ring Bust (newspunch.com)

"After becoming Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau encouraged Ingvaldson to run for political office as a member of the Liberal Party. Ingvaldson announced his desire to be the Liberal MP candidate in the district of Vancouver-Kingsway, and developed a social media pages announcing his plans to run."

Rumor has it that Trudy is a "made guy" in the globalist Satanic cartel. He is also linked with the mysterious (and unsolved) murders of TWO sets of parents of youths at Grey's Academy. The theory is that he ghosted the parents because of pedo crimes against their kids......but for now its all speculation.

Now understand Trudy's motivation to do what he is doing. I mean he is working hard at it, but Satan's minions are busy everywhere.

 

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Not sure. But he was roommate with a convicted pedophile. Read the link. Pretty condemning for sure.

Justin Trudeau's Long-Term Friend Jailed After International Pedophile Ring Bust (newspunch.com)

"After becoming Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau encouraged Ingvaldson to run for political office as a member of the Liberal Party. Ingvaldson announced his desire to be the Liberal MP candidate in the district of Vancouver-Kingsway, and developed a social media pages announcing his plans to run."

Rumor has it that Trudy is a "made guy" in the globalist Satanic cartel. He is also linked with the mysterious (and unsolved) murders of TWO sets of parents of youths at Grey's Academy. The theory is that he ghosted the parents because of pedo crimes against their kids......but for now its all speculation.

Now understand Trudy's motivation to do what he is doing. I mean he is working hard at it, but Satan's minions are busy everywhere.

Yep, he is on the list