The plan to destroy America

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mailmandan

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The pressure will get much more than that because countries like China are dumping the debt at a discount (higher interest rate) and Japan is being forced to liquidate as well.

The biggest purchasers of our debt have not only stopped buying but become sellers. We have two choices compete with them and see our interest rates skyrocket causing our economy to collapse or have the fed buy up the debt they issue by printing money and see our dollar collapse.
Sounds like a lose, lose situation for the US.
 

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Yes, but when they try to implement the digital currency leading to the mark of the beast people will try and use gold and silver for barter. A silver coin is worth 25-30$ so that will be choice. But if people use silver for currency there won't be enough for circuit boards and other electrical devices. There are two options, gold or silver, so in a situation with a shortage it is reasonable to think that silver will approach the price of gold. It is either that or stop making computer devices when the "great reset" is trying to move us to robots, drones and AI.

Gold might double in price but silver might go up 20x.
 

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Sounds like a lose, lose situation for the US.
When the US dollar collapses gold and silver will still hold their value, relative to the US dollar they will be very valuable.
 

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When the US dollar collapses gold and silver will still hold their value, relative to the US dollar they will be very valuable.
Once the US dollar along with our economy collapses we are all in trouble, regardless.
 

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When the US dollar collapses who you gonna get to buy your gold & silver? Food will be worth far more then precious metals.
So a can of beans will be the new currency?
 

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Defund ICE: You won't believe Team Biden's radical plans to remake agency | Fox News

President Biden says he wants simple, status-quo legislation to prevent a government shutdown, but hidden in the fine print of his actual funding request is one of the most radical, anti-policing, pro-criminal proposals of his Presidency.

The Biden White House is trying to exploit the fog of a ginned-up government-shutdown crisis to strike a final, fatal blow against immigration law enforcement—by slipping in a loophole that would allow the White House to effectively abolish Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) by defunding it.

Last week, President Biden called on Congress to pass a short-term spending bill to keep the government open beyond September 30, when current funding runs out.
 

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Defund ICE: You won't believe Team Biden's radical plans to remake agency | Fox News

President Biden says he wants simple, status-quo legislation to prevent a government shutdown, but hidden in the fine print of his actual funding request is one of the most radical, anti-policing, pro-criminal proposals of his Presidency.

The Biden White House is trying to exploit the fog of a ginned-up government-shutdown crisis to strike a final, fatal blow against immigration law enforcement—by slipping in a loophole that would allow the White House to effectively abolish Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) by defunding it.

Last week, President Biden called on Congress to pass a short-term spending bill to keep the government open beyond September 30, when current funding runs out.
yep. the renewal of covid fizzled and went out, so it's on to the next thing- gov. shutdown..
 

PennEd

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This is a letter written by Jacob Rothschild to Henry Makow. Many believe it to be authentic. Make of it what you will. Because as many of us have known for a long time now, it’s not just a plan to destroy America. It’s to destroy the whole world.

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John C. Pontrello

December 14, 2021: Letter allegedly written by Jacob Rothschild to Henry Makow. Original found at Henry's website: www.henrymakow.com. Jacob Rothschild - "Equality" is the End Game - henrymakow.com
I post this here because I've read this letter a half dozen times since it first came out and I believe it's authentic.

Dear Henry,

You are very good at putting your finger on the problem but as you see, this Covid ordeal is a red hot one nurtured by many flames which are global and include the control and regulation of finances, resources, production, consumption, pollution and overpopulation.

None of the people heading up institutions directly or indirectly under the control of my family, including the British Crown, the Vatican, the Masons, and the major oligarchs and corporations of the world care what you think or say.

We control the major finances of the world but also your governments, the major media networks, most jobs on the planet, and even the money in your bank accounts. These are the facts which you cannot change.

The Jewish question is a complicated one, and thanks particularly to the influence and persistence of my family, it is generally no longer considered by very many as the "Jewish problem".

You see Henry you proceed to attack us based on the old and outmoded method of arguing which is with facts and reasons. That is not the way things are done anymore.

People generally like to pretend and generally will believe anything they see most other people believing in or else they simply do what they are led to do by the media and what we want. If someone like you goes against their interests and beliefs, they are likely to discount what you say and completely shut it out of their minds. That is what is happening to you.

If you have moral qualms about people in power misleading the masses, especially misleading and controlling those who have rejected and persecuted your kind, that is your problem and not ours.

If there is a history of mutual exclusion with Christians and other outsiders looking down on your people as some kind of inferior species, or resenting you because of your success which you know full well is based on our tribal solidarity and ability to concentrate and consolidate wealth, power, knowledge and intelligence to dominate so much in the midst of ongoing adversity, then why do you try to reignite the fires of that problem which we in any case are able these days to extinguish as soon as we see a spark? Why do you waste your breath blowing so hard to reignite things with such a wind against you? .

Is it because of your high regard for what you claim is the "truth"?

Your words are uttered in another nation in our realm but are published virtually in my own backyard here in England on this site which purports to have a high regard for the truth, albeit of the outmoded kind and with a relatively small, obscure, and scurrilous following. No one of any importance will listen to you. Yet, I feel obliged that on some special occasions, as with this most recent posting of yours, to try to set you straight.

WORLD MANAGEMENT REQUIRES A MATERIAL LEVELLING AND DEPOPULATION

When one has vast power and wealth, you tend to be in control of a great deal, a control which has to be delegated not only to protect your interests from a constant stream of lying courtiers and usurpers, but also you have to delegate that control in order to maintain and at times, to expand your interests.

Furthermore, you find that in maintaining your control there is a tremendous burden of responsibility placed upon you where you have to make decisions to resolve a never ending array of very difficult problems, such as mentioned above - pollution, competition, exploitation, over population, etc.

Jacques Attali is a faithful disciple of our New World Order projects which come down to a global control over many things, with a world government, the means of which unfortunately require those very things your sentiments abhor which is a material levelling for equality and a radical reduction of the population of the world.

Your problem is that very few people with any common sense disagree there are such problems, and it appears that your only complaint comes down to the means we have determined as necessary for these solutions. You are correct in your assertions that many of these problems have been exaggerated and may not even exist at this time.

However, we do plan 50 to 100 years in advance and what we are more concerned about is ensuring that the things we do fear simply do not occur in the future. In this fight as we have to check foreign powers with respect to their grasping of lands and resources, as well as the increasing pollution problems, and we also, and more importantly, have to control the people of our own nations, to stop the grasping, over-consumption, and over reproduction lest they themselves become major problem in the future.

Also, with power and wealth you find out very quickly that when you have these things, it is very difficult to abandon or to share them. Yet, when you do have them you find you are able to increase them while at the same time making things more equal for everyone else under your control, and quelling disputes in the lower levels of your structure.
 

PennEd

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THE BURDENS OF TOTAL POWER

Henry, I doubt you will understand this or the burden we world leaders have taken upon our shoulders. We have worked exceedingly hard with all heads of state, including the British Crown and the Vatican, as well as the leading families of the world, in carrying out the plans for a new order of world governance to replace borders and national restrictions. We have entered into a vast expansion of world trade and development which needs regulation. If not by our ownership and order then by whose? I ask you.

We see a future world without enough to go around, and therefore we must learn first to control it and then to share what is there as we deem most advantageous to those whom we choose. That is what power is for.

What you are concerned about are the methods we are using to solve these problems, which you say are "totalitarian", and "communist". To us those are only abstract words like the words 'truth', 'freedom', and 'justice', and in any crisis people mainly act on emotion and not upon actual fact, critical thinking, and reason.

You are clearly not on our level or for that matter on the same level of the overwhelming majority of people who would not be caught dead reading your postings. You are welcome to your intellectual pride and puffery, but it will make no difference. You have isolated yourself in an outmoded from of communication. Logic and fact even in science has been taken over by whomever or whatever have the controlling interest and all you're left complaining about are our methods.

Regardless of the substance of the actual problem, as long as the general belief is that it is a serious one, then all that matters is the solution and the cooperation with that solution. We establish the problem and we provide the solutions. It is not fact and reason which ruled the 20th century. It is the use of psychology and that is precisely why you have no real power despite your intellectual and journalistic skills.

You think you can influence people by revealing what you consider to be the truth regarding a pandemic and vaccines used as pretexts, when you do not consider the necessity of solving the greater problems giving rise to the use of such pretexts?

Even Francis at the Vatican knows that the pandemic was necessary. Why do you think such a man, a "communist" as you say, was put in that place at this particular time in history?

Many changes have have to be made in ushering in our new order. Many appointments have had to be made and they are not all Jewish as your writings suggest, although I do wish there were more and that Francis was more Jewish.
NAIVETY

Without any worry of causing outrage or reaction to fuel opposition to our plans as expressed in our UN and WEF agendas, let me demonstrate how naïve you are regarding our methods.

The vaccines you mention, you cannot even determine why are they are being forced on the public. Why you wonder, if they are so clearly unnecessary and useless in relation to the virus, which in any case was never a grave threat, or even very much anything more than an overture or an exercise to our culling potentials, would they do this?

Why you ask, are the governments being so draconian in forcing them on the people when they are so clearly dangerous and causing so many deaths and health problems?

Why you ask, have all of the governments under the control of our power structure suppressed the use of the cheap drugs which so effectively cure the virus symptoms, just to make way for the useless and dangerous vaccines?

It is a mystery to you and then you go off into one your conspiracy theories that we are using these vaccines to cull or thin out the human herd. You think that will scare people and wake them up? You keep asking "why?', like a schoolboy. You think cold hard facts and reason have sway with the public when they believe their governments are caring for them, giving them money, and trying to make them safe.

Henry, it is all psychology and the media, and despite anything I say it will make no difference to the outcome.

Don't you see that there is something much more important going on here than the actual control potential, or precedent, of people trained to receive yearly vaccines tailored to their special needs and circumstances. If my friend, Jacques, was right about centralized controls and communism, and if with Francis, the idea of "equality" is most central and fundamental to our Agendas and New World Order that when we say that "everyone must be vaccinated" then you see we not only mean it, but what you don't see is that the "equality" is the very essence of what the entire exercise is all about.

The word "everyone" Henry, is the key. It is the magic word. Everyone must do the same. In all communist nations we have fostered, it is customary that for "equality" for the desired and planned "levelling" in this new order, in order for people to have the same in their needs and wants, everyone has to be psychologically trained to obey the same commands.

In our prodigy nation of modern China, the people had to be cleansed of many of their differences and even such a small thing as everyone having to wear the same uniforms was crucial to instill cultural and material equality, or "sameness".

Of course the masks are totally useless for the virus unless you have a flu or cold and you sneezed or coughed without a handkerchief. However, it is the obedience and conformity to our top-down commands which is crucial, that "everyone" wear one subject to government mandate or command. It is like a uniform to make everyone "uniform". It is about instilling a sense of unity, conformity, obedience, and most of all "equality".

As you must clearly see by now, the vaccines are even more psychologically important in the present program. It is the impulsive and unruly human mind which must be controlled. Francis agrees. The universal vaccine programs not only open the door for behavior control through gene modification and enhancement, but more importantly for the present operation - psychological behaviour control with the vaccines is even more fundamental.

Regardless of whether or not the vaccines are unnecessary and useless regarding the virus, or even harmful for many, they are the most uniform and concerted psychological weapon ever devised to control human behaviour.

The compliance with the mask like a uniform is hardly even skin deep. It is still external, and at most it is just virtue signalling.

For the New World Order we needed a much deeper and lasting compliance. When the overwhelming majority of the people yield in allowing you to inject into them, a substance which any free and thinking person like yourself would reject and object to, not even knowing what the substances are, but trusting their governments and our media networks, then that is most certainly the most important victory our structure could every hope for.

The psychology is very simple, and I am surprised you missed it for so long. If our governments are successful in inducing or forcing "everyone" to be vaccinated, it matters not what is in the vaccines.

What matters is the sense of conformity, submission, and "equality" which is established, generating a sense of "equality" and trust which is to most people absolutely personal and internal, for what they allow into their bodies, like sex or religious rituals, is very much associated with their minds, and their beliefs which in any case they will already have surrendered, either willingly, or through the force you now see being exercised by various governments around the world.

Whether this conquering of alleged freedom, individual integrity, and personal ownership you so highly prize is to be easy or painful for you, we do not care.
 

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In your efforts to protect your old and failing civilization we are dismantling, we find these means necessary. If people will allow such vaccines to invade their own bodies and their children's in order to comply and to be the same or "equal" to "everyone" else they most certainly will not object to or oppose their wealth, use of resources and life styles being equalized as well.

In any case Henry, just think of how influential you could be with all of the dissidents still caught up with the your archaic ways of thinking using rational persuasion and reasoning with people to try to solve problems, when it all can be done with a simple little virus, easy deception, and a little jab here and there.
 

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In your efforts to protect your old and failing civilization we are dismantling, we find these means necessary. If people will allow such vaccines to invade their own bodies and their children's in order to comply and to be the same or "equal" to "everyone" else they most certainly will not object to or oppose their wealth, use of resources and life styles being equalized as well.

In any case Henry, just think of how influential you could be with all of the dissidents still caught up with the your archaic ways of thinking using rational persuasion and reasoning with people to try to solve problems, when it all can be done with a simple little virus, easy deception, and a little jab here and there.
While reading this I was reminded of a few things.

1. The first thing was Pilate asking "what is truth"? Though this guys disdain for the power of truth and light to overcome darkness is stunning. It reminds me of Pinochio, if you are lying your "nose" is going to grow bigger meaning you will smell liars everywhere. You assume since you lie everyone does.

2. I was also reminded of Paul telling us to not be conformed to this present age. He equates a person wearing a mask to a private in the army saluting an officer. To him it is all about obedience while he has missed the understanding among people that the leaders have a responsibility for wise and compassionate leadership. There is a contract there which he seems to have completely missed. A leader can do things I do not understand but if later I realize it was because he was very wise and was doing what was best for the people he will become more trusted and loved. This guys gaining the trust of the people is as much a lie as his disregard for the truth.

3. Is this letter real? It seems like one of those idiotic monologues the evil genius always gives in the movies. Why would he do such a thing? He is arrogant, has no respect for the people, for truth, or even for this person he has written to and yet he gives him this long monologue? It is like an immature child desperately wanting to tell others how smart he is and needing someone to agree with him. There is no fear of God with him, and so he is a fool. He is blinded by pride.

4. One point he emphasizes is that "the end justifies the means". That is completely contrary to the NT. For us "the means" are the narrow road that leads to life. He is preaching the wide highway that leads to death and destruction. His math is completely off. According to the Bible two men of genuine faith are equal to a thousand sycophants that are mindless drones. He thinks that since 90% salute him that the other 10% are irrelevant not realizing that 10% greatly outnumbers his 90% and is far more powerful.

It is like a Alfred Hitchcock horror film. He has overlooked one thing that will be his downfall. He has overlooked what the Lord was building in the church, he despised it, felt that since they didn't control the wealth or resources they were irrelevant. He knows they care about truth and light, but to him, "what are those".
 

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3. Is this letter real? It seems like one of those idiotic monologues the evil genius always gives in the movies. Why would he do such a thing? He is arrogant, has no respect for the people, for truth, or even for this person he has written to and yet he gives him this long monologue?
I don't know if it's genuine or not. But these people do make mistakes, and most of the content, personal spots, and recipient, make me think it is.

It could be completely authentic but they just don't care. For 2 reasons. There's nothing anybody can do about it. At least in the arrogant minds. And most people won't believe it anyway. Even those astute enough to know the evil they are doing are STILL questioning it's veracity.