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ZNP

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Does supposedly Christian Pence know how the Simeon prophecy relates to end-times and Israel 1947/1967?
And how by that (and Psalm 90 "70-80 years") that we are in the "final countdown" to the rapture-trib-SC?

I doubt it. In fact I think that there is not one single person on the Hill that does know. Or cares one wit.
I think we completely underestimate Satan and his henchmen. They know the Bible, they study it, and accordingly they are putting everything in place for the tribulation. This whole "alien" thing proves that many of them are controlled by demons, and we know from the gospels the demons know exactly when they are to be released and when they are to be imprisoned.

The fact that they outlaw the Bible does not mean they are ignorant of it, rather it means they want to keep you ignorant of it.
 

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and we know from the gospels the demons know exactly when they are to be released and when they are to be imprisoned.
Disagree. As I have said before......the rapture is intentionally kept a secret. Tons of biblical support for this.

Satan knows ABOUT the rapture, sure. But he does not know exactly WHEN. I mean for pity's sake even Paul did not know the hour.
 

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Read up on how Hitler increased the persecution of the Jews which lead to the Final Solution. I really think the WW2 Holocaust is a precursor for what the AC will do to Christians.


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Read up on how Hitler increased the persecution of the Jews which lead to the Final Solution. I really think the WW2 Holocaust is a precursor for what the AC will do to Christians.


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Read up on how Hitler increased the persecution of the Jews which lead to the Final Solution. I really think the WW2 Holocaust is a precursor for what the AC will do to Christians.


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Disagree. As I have said before......the rapture is intentionally kept a secret. Tons of biblical support for this.

Satan knows ABOUT the rapture, sure. But he does not know exactly WHEN. I mean for pity's sake even Paul did not know the hour.
I would argue there is tons of Biblical evidence to support Daniel's prophecy

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

I believe this is what Jesus was referring to. I did a careful analysis of Matthew, Jesus begins in the future tense, then switches to the present tense to say no one knows, then goes back to the future tense and then past tense only to conclude with the charge to watch because we don't know what hour He is coming and then with the warning

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Yes it was sealed up, but there are signs and prophecies that as we see them fulfilled unseals this. To not be aware of the day the Lord is coming or the hour will bring judgment because you were not watching.

There is no word that we will never know.
 

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For me putting on the FULL ARMOR OF GOD is a necessity daily. Praise God for His strength always in our times of need. The armor gives us the protection necessary to stand against evil. Al glory to God.
 

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I would argue there is tons of Biblical evidence to support Daniel's prophecy

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

I believe this is what Jesus was referring to. I did a careful analysis of Matthew, Jesus begins in the future tense, then switches to the present tense to say no one knows, then goes back to the future tense and then past tense only to conclude with the charge to watch because we don't know what hour He is coming and then with the warning

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Yes it was sealed up, but there are signs and prophecies that as we see them fulfilled unseals this. To not be aware of the day the Lord is coming or the hour will bring judgment because you were not watching.

There is no word that we will never know.
Are you declaring that Satan, his fallen angels, God's good angels, men and pretty much anyone and everyone knows full well of the precise moment of the rapture?

Because that is insane.
 

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Are you declaring that Satan, his fallen angels, God's good angels, men and pretty much anyone and everyone knows full well of the precise moment of the rapture?

Because that is insane.
I have declared in great detail what I am declaring in my blog -- Summary of Bible references on the rapture.

However, if you want the short version I am saying that my understanding of the Bible is that not knowing when the rapture will take place was only spoken of in the present tense, not the future tense. That when Daniel asked this question the angel told him it would be sealed up until the time of the end. That Sardis was warned that if they did not watch for the Lord's return with the same intensity that they dug into other Biblical truths like justification by faith that they would be caught by surprise. That would be a pointless warning unless there will be some who are not surprised. That the Lord always told us that we had to watch for His coming. That would be pointless if we could not see anything.

I would also point out that there have been many amazing discoveries in the word of God.

Ezekiel's two prophecies tell us the year that the punishment for Israel and Judah will end, I shared that in my blog.

Of course we are told in Daniel the 70th week begins when "He confirms the covenant with the many" and we have gone a very long way in understanding what that is referring to. Especially with Agenda 2030, orchestrated by King Charles, with Queen Elizabeth dying last year on the Feast of Trumpets.

The Red Heifers and these peace talks with Israel and Palestine indicate that Israel will begin the sacrifices again this Passover. I have gone into detail on this.

50 years ago we had the Yom Kippur war in Israel and I believe, as others do that this was an important sign.

No doubt the 2017 Revelation 12 sign was significant. The sign in the heavens right now is so amazing we think it is a fulfillment of the Habakkuk verse that no one will believe it even if it is told you. I have shared links that go into both extensively on my blog.

I think the Feast of Trumpets in 2020 may very well have been the fulfillment of that feast with the worldwide pandemic causing shutdowns around the world (just as Joel says) and with the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

There is a crown for those that love the Lord's appearing and what is insane is with all of these prophecies being fulfilled right before our eyes that more Christians are not excited about what is going on.

Jesus said it would be like the days of Noah. He was given a 7 day warning with the fulfillment of Enoch's prophecy concerning Methuselah. Jesus said it would be like the days of Lot and he was given at least 12 hour warning.

Elijah being caught up was a type of the rapture and he and all the prophets knew the day he was going up.
 

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Are you declaring that Satan, his fallen angels, God's good angels, men and pretty much anyone and everyone knows full well of the precise moment of the rapture?

Because that is insane.
I have a very different understanding than most Christians apparently.

When I was 12 I was on a Pee Wee football team, I was playing middle linebacker and we were preparing for the championship game. Both of us were undefeated. Our coaches had scouted this team and they had a bread and butter play, an end around by a split back. My job was to spot the formation, call out the play, and then blitz between the center and guard to try and cut the play off at the hand off.

We receive the kickoff and drive down and score a touchdown. Then they get the ball and we stop them on the first two plays and then they go to this formation. I call out "end around". Quarterback is stunned, doesn't know what to do but says "Down". I yell it out even louder, he looks over to his coach, confused and then says "Set". I yell to our defensive end that it was coming his way and yell even louder "end around". They snapped it on the third "hut". By then my dad told me even people in the top row of the stadium knew it was an end around. I tackled the kid in the backfield. We beat them 45-14 (they scored on our third string).

My point is the Lord has told me what to look for, and I know that it is coming, I may not know when, but when I see it I'll know it. Which is why He charged me to watch.
 

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I have declared in great detail what I am declaring in my blog -- Summary of Bible references on the rapture.

However, if you want the short version I am saying that my understanding of the Bible is that not knowing when the rapture will take place was only spoken of in the present tense, not the future tense. That when Daniel asked this question the angel told him it would be sealed up until the time of the end. That Sardis was warned that if they did not watch for the Lord's return with the same intensity that they dug into other Biblical truths like justification by faith that they would be caught by surprise. That would be a pointless warning unless there will be some who are not surprised. That the Lord always told us that we had to watch for His coming. That would be pointless if we could not see anything.

I would also point out that there have been many amazing discoveries in the word of God.

Ezekiel's two prophecies tell us the year that the punishment for Israel and Judah will end, I shared that in my blog.

Of course we are told in Daniel the 70th week begins when "He confirms the covenant with the many" and we have gone a very long way in understanding what that is referring to. Especially with Agenda 2030, orchestrated by King Charles, with Queen Elizabeth dying last year on the Feast of Trumpets.

The Red Heifers and these peace talks with Israel and Palestine indicate that Israel will begin the sacrifices again this Passover. I have gone into detail on this.

50 years ago we had the Yom Kippur war in Israel and I believe, as others do that this was an important sign.

No doubt the 2017 Revelation 12 sign was significant. The sign in the heavens right now is so amazing we think it is a fulfillment of the Habakkuk verse that no one will believe it even if it is told you. I have shared links that go into both extensively on my blog.

I think the Feast of Trumpets in 2020 may very well have been the fulfillment of that feast with the worldwide pandemic causing shutdowns around the world (just as Joel says) and with the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

There is a crown for those that love the Lord's appearing and what is insane is with all of these prophecies being fulfilled right before our eyes that more Christians are not excited about what is going on.

Jesus said it would be like the days of Noah. He was given a 7 day warning with the fulfillment of Enoch's prophecy concerning Methuselah. Jesus said it would be like the days of Lot and he was given at least 12 hour warning.

Elijah being caught up was a type of the rapture and he and all the prophets knew the day he was going up.
Bro.......the Church and the specific case of the rapture is nowhere to be found in the book of Daniel. Daniel is written to the Jews alone.

The rapture is implied only as a result of the fact the 69 week arrival of the Messiah, Church age gap, then 70th week tribulation being laid out in no uncertain terms.

There is absolutely no mention whatsoever of a Bride being snatched by her Husband in due course of a Jewish wedding ceremony.
 

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Bro.......the Church and the specific case of the rapture is nowhere to be found in the book of Daniel. Daniel is written to the Jews alone.

The rapture is implied only as a result of the fact the 69 week arrival of the Messiah, Church age gap, then 70th week tribulation being laid out in no uncertain terms.

There is absolutely no mention whatsoever of a Bride being snatched by her Husband in due course of a Jewish wedding ceremony.
Daniel asks specifically when these things will be and He is told that they are to be sealed up until the end. It is a big mistake to view the rapture as some independent event not tied to everything else that is happening.

If you know when the 70th week begins that is a tremendous clue. It is illogical to say we can't know because we knew exactly to the year when the 69th week was going to end with Jesus crucifixion.

My point was that when Jesus said "no one knows the day or the hour" he had been referencing Daniel for that entire chapter and so it is reasonable that this also referenced the angel telling Daniel that it would be sealed up until the end time.
 

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They asked Jesus when these things would be and He did not respond "nobody knows" instead it is one of the longest portions of His teachings in the entire gospel, He goes into great detail and you can see He was telling the apostles what would happen to them in the apostolic age as well as what it would be like at the end of the age and He gives the destruction of the Temple as an example that is indicative of what was to come.

Every time this topic comes up Jesus tells us that we have to watch. This reveals where the heart is. Many are happy with the world the way it is and they don't want the Lord to return. Paul said there is a crown for those who love the Lord's appearing. If you love the Lord's appearing you will be watching and noting everything that happens. We had the sign of Jonah, how many noted that? We had the fulfillment of Pharaoh's dream of seven years of plenty followed by seven years of famine, how many noted that? The Bible prophecies that if they divide His land He will pour out His wrath on them and that is the plan for "peace" in Israel. They are confirming Agenda 2030 for seven years by implementing a digital currency to control what everyone buys or sells. We see the great delusion taking shape with all this talk about aliens. Today Elon Musk was talking about the lame walking and the blind seeing by getting his neuralink chip implanted in their brain and hooked up to AI and they already have 50 human test subjects. We can see everything in place for the mark of the beast, we can see everything in place for the beast system.

The entire Bible is filled with types, shadows and clear words about what is about to take place.
 

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Daniel asks specifically when these things will be and He is told that they are to be sealed up until the end. It is a big mistake to view the rapture as some independent event not tied to everything else that is happening.

If you know when the 70th week begins that is a tremendous clue. It is illogical to say we can't know because we knew exactly to the year when the 69th week was going to end with Jesus crucifixion.

My point was that when Jesus said "no one knows the day or the hour" he had been referencing Daniel for that entire chapter and so it is reasonable that this also referenced the angel telling Daniel that it would be sealed up until the end time.
So how long is "the gap" in terms of biblical references? It does not say. However there is reference to when the "seven more times" Israelite judgement will end. Juxtapose that with the Simeon prophecy.

Fortunately Israel is now in the land in so......

And keep in mind this is Israel Israel Israel Israel.......not Church Church Church Church.
 

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So how long is "the gap" in terms of biblical references? It does not say. However there is reference to when the "seven more times" Israelite judgement will end. Juxtapose that with the Simeon prophecy.

Fortunately Israel is now in the land in so......

And keep in mind this is Israel Israel Israel Israel.......not Church Church Church Church.
Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

That is a command and it is the conclusion to two will be in the field, one is taken (as a close personal friend) and one is left (divorced).

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

That is the command that concludes the story of the ten virgins that go out to meet the bridegroom.

Mark 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

This is the conclusion to the fig tree generation prophecy.

Mark 13:34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

This is a command teaching that since we do not know the day or the hour we shouldn't be watching is rebellion against the Lord.

Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Just in case you thought this was only to a select few, this command is to everyone.

Luke 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

Not all the Lord's servants will be watching when He returns, you have been warned.

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

How many verses directly related to the Lord's return and our rapture command us to watch?

1Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.


We aren't of those who are in darkness, we aren't of those who are sleeping.

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

I am tired of the scoffers and mockers telling us not to watch. It is rebellious, and they have swallowed the traditions of men as though it were the word of God.

Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
 

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Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

That is a command and it is the conclusion to two will be in the field, one is taken (as a close personal friend) and one is left (divorced).

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

That is the command that concludes the story of the ten virgins that go out to meet the bridegroom.

Mark 13:33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

This is the conclusion to the fig tree generation prophecy.

Mark 13:34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

This is a command teaching that since we do not know the day or the hour we shouldn't be watching is rebellion against the Lord.

Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Just in case you thought this was only to a select few, this command is to everyone.

Luke 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

Not all the Lord's servants will be watching when He returns, you have been warned.

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

How many verses directly related to the Lord's return and our rapture command us to watch?

1Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

We aren't of those who are in darkness, we aren't of those who are sleeping.

Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

I am tired of the scoffers and mockers telling us not to watch. It is rebellious, and they have swallowed the traditions of men as though it were the word of God.

Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Strictly speaking, there are no specific numerical prophecies indicating exact time of the rapture.

Just to let you know those exhortations of Jesus made during his earthly ministry pertain to Israel alone.

It appears as if very few are able to discriminate between the two parties being addressed.
 

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Strictly speaking, there are no specific numerical prophecies indicating exact time of the rapture.

Just to let you know those exhortations of Jesus made during his earthly ministry pertain to Israel alone.

It appears as if very few are able to discriminate between the two parties being addressed.
Really? I think I have discussed at least ten different ones in my blog.
 

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Really? I think I have discussed at least ten different ones in my blog.
The whole idea is that the rapture happens just before the 70th week. And since we can in fact discern approximately the times/seasons as the 70th week draws near, we can likewise deduce the rapture.

But the point is numerical prophecies belong to Israel alone. There are no numerical prophecies for the Church age gap.
 

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The whole idea is that the rapture happens just before the 70th week. And since we can in fact discern approximately the times/seasons as the 70th week draws near, we can likewise deduce the rapture.

But the point is numerical prophecies belong to Israel alone. There are no numerical prophecies for the Church age gap.
I have not been concerned with the date. I wanted to focus on everything other than the date. I have discovered a tremendous amount in the Bible about this subject, and there are many other brothers and sisters who have contributed greatly to this.