The war against HCQ has intensified unbelievably

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Yeah you are right... I have no idea why I am here, I thought I was in the news section.

Having said that one can still be rational even while analyzing conspiracies I think? :unsure:
Rational is subjective, and is always impacted by ones presuppositions which effect how you process the transmissions to your brain from your senses. So clearly believing your own eyes and ears is a matter of faith in your own reasoning.
Which is a big mistake when posting in the conspiracy thread.
Of course you have your tinfoil hat on, then your good.;)
 
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The thing leftists continually get wrong, about this and other issues such as vaccination, is who owns the risk. If it's my body and I am sick and I want to take the risks of using hydroxychloroquine to treat my illness, this is my risk to take, and the government has no right to intervene. (I fully agree the risks are minimal, especially compared to the risks of an untested vaccine, but leftists seem too ignorant to realise their hypocrisy here - double blind clinical trials only apply to drugs that can help, seems to be their rule of thumb).

The same if the scamdemic were a legitimate bubonic plague epidemic, and I want to travel to Nigeria to visit a worst hit tribe - my body, my risk, for the government to intervene in this process is stealing.
They do have a responsibility to ensure you are fully informed and that you are not suckered thinking that laudanum just because it made you feel better is good for you. Or having doctors willing to prescribe you any meds you want is a good thing.

Yes they have been over stepping.

in cases like a pandemic where people are dying by the millions their usual role as protectors can become seriously damaging and statistically they need to know when to back off and let the medical community at large do there job with whatever is working.
But this is not even that.

if I would prefer a known drug with a long history and known risks that is being show to work well to a new barely tested treatment or vaccine with greater long term unknowns and greater risk. I should be allowed to make that reasonable choice with my doctor.

FYI: Recent studies now show that permanent heart damage is being seen in Covid patients who have recovered.
So it may not kill you at 18 but it may get you by the time your 29, so don't think your young and strong and healthy and it only kills old and sick people.
 

soggykitten

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@Nehemiah6, your hypothesis in the thread title is absolutely being proven true even by certain responses in this thread.
One very important consideration in that instance I believe is the question, why would anyone condemn and noticeably without providing any proofs, ever, condemn research as pertains to Covid 19, which is also known as SARS-CoV-2, when the evidences thus far show HCQ and when combined with Azithromycin, are effective treatments for Covid 19 patients?
I did read a site that claimed two studies have been retracted after having shown the effectiveness of HCQ. Noticeably on that same site there was a link to a piece featuring the latest news about Microsoft.
Imagine a cure or treatment for $20.00. When a so called vaccine is being pushed and is supposedly in the works under the domain of Bill Gates that will cost far more than money upon completion. Does a multi-billionaire sponsor something that is relatively affordable for the average consumer when he stands to make many more billions formulating his own "solution" ? If we accept how Gates got rich through the advent of his Microsoft company, the likely answer is, heck no! His God is money. And with money comes power.



What are randomized and non-randomized tests?
Non-randomized and randomized tests are frames through which one can view how to make a decision in hypothesis testing. As we will see below, non-randomized are only possible in ideal environments, and even randomized tests are rarely (or never?) really done in practice, but they lead to some valuable insights into the inner workings of hypothesis testing, ..... (continues at link)

L.B. Bacharier, T.W. Guilbert, D.T. Mauger, S. Boehmer, A. Beigelman, A.M. Fitzpatrick, et al.Early administration of azithromycin and prevention of severe lower respiratory tract illnesses in preschool children with a history of such illnesses: A randomized clinical trial
JAMA, 314 (19) (2015 Nov 17), pp. 2034-2044, 10.1001/jama.2015.13896
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Source link for the above found as #23 under the header, References. Reposted in this reply and source:
Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial
 

shittim

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Thanks for sharing, I keep in mind how kill bill stole the operating system to start with, a lust for money often morphs into a lust for power, both unholy.
 

soggykitten

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What is a shame is that we have to be told to do the right thing! like we discipline a five year old child!
Agreed.
The fear paradigm that is being promulgated behind this flu virus is a Trojan horse style assault world wide. At least amid those nations that agree to lend lumber to constructing that horse.

It is an ages old trick utilized to bring the masses into full compliance. While publicly prosecuting the non-compliant as a warning.
In the case of this flu virus the means involves delivering false information about its threat to the general public. Lie about the numbers of dead who have succumbed, as we know has been the case since the pandemic fear paradigm was seeded into the public sphere in America. Lie about the number of positive tests for Covid 19.

The lie about the numbered dead lead to people seeking to be tested to see if they've been exposed or have the virus. Even when they don't, that false positive test has an effect.
Then tell all people who have been duly coerced by the propaganda of the death toll and the positive tests results, that they can remain safe if they follow these certain steps. And condemn those who fail to comply as a threat to the health and well being of everyone else.

Early on in this thing a term was invented to describe people who did not wear the masks that , oh, surprise (not), can actually spread virus, "mask shaming". Not really all that surprising that groups of people would reportedly cast aspersions on someone not wearing a mask. As I recall some people reported being physically assaulted for failing to wear a mask.
Then it became known that people with breathing issues, like COPD or Asthma, could be exempt from wearing a mask.

To be clear, there is no way to avoid virus in this world. Virus are airborne and they also transmit through surface contact. Which makes sense. If something spreads through the air it stands to reason it will light on a surface. Coming in contact with that surface then causes the virus to transmit onto whatever touched it.

Which is why the masks are a harm, not a solution, to staying safe from Covid 19. If Covid 19 is in the air in lets say the grocery store you visit. That virus is going to transmit onto the outside of your mask and onto the surfaces in the store. You leave the store, get in your car and now Covid 19 is in your car with you. Take your mask into your house and now Covid 19 virus is in your house. And you touch your mask to take it off so now it is on your hands. Wearing gloves? OK, but you have to use one bare hand to remove the other glove.

See how it works?
And there have been many reports wherein specialists have said, only those who are Asymptomatic, refers to a person who has the infection but no symptoms and will not develop them later. Or who actually do have the virus, should wear masks. Because such people at the time of those reports were suffering lack of access to masks because of the mandates in place nearly nationwide making them scarce at the time.
And not every mask type is safe. Health care workers on the front line treating Covid 19 patients wear The ‘Tesla TSLA, +12.56% of masks’ , which are also called N-95 masks. These help prevent the health care provider from contracting the airborne virus.
These aren't readily available to the public.
Try finding the literature now that was once available and reporting that masks can spread Covid 19.

Cloth masks are basically transport devices for any virus including Covid 19. They're useless except for giving a person a false sense of security. Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, wears designer cloth masks costing $22.00 each and more. Though I doubt the designer makes her pay for them since the designer label is impossible to miss on Ms. Pelosi's face on a daily basis. Ah, advertising.

Another thing that kills virus? Sunlight! Vitamin D. Though there is a movement that insists you should wear masks outside. And there's one broiling now that insists upon wearing them in your home.

Estimated Inactivation of Coronaviruses by Solar Radiation With Special Reference to COVID-19


One thing this virus has accomplished? The erosion of freedoms and liberties of Americans on a near daily basis. Especially we Christians.
Where's the cure for that?

Here's a clue in a single 10 letter word. Starts with a R, ends with an N.
 

soggykitten

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Thanks for sharing, I keep in mind how kill bill stole the operating system to start with, a lust for money often morphs into a lust for power, both unholy.
Ah, but we're suppose to believe the propaganda that BG is a philanthropist concerned with the plight of the poor the world over. But if you search it out you'll find that Microsoft utilizes child and adult forced slave labor in the manufacture of their products.
Along with Apple computers, Sony, and others.

What benefit is there is claiming to be invested in the plight of the poor and their health when exploiting their labor as slaves in order to make billions more in profit.
The workers that make Apple products are in such dire straits that suicide was a huge issue. At least one suicide per week minimum. What did Apple do? Oh, they installed suicide nets to catch jumpers who are made to live in deplorable conditions in the Apple company's provided lodgings in Longhua.


Bill Gates is the Devil.
Steve Jobs is destined to meet him. I think that's fair.

Next time you meet someone who has or wants an Apple IPhone ask them, how much does it cost? If they tell you the price, ask them again. Then tell them what it really does cost. Same with the ridiculous Tesla electric cars.

What a scam! Electric cars! Oh, we're going electric in our fleet by 2024 or something like that, boasts Amazon.
Oh, how nice. Where does electricity come from, oh multi-billion dollar company telling us how concerned you are with carbon emissions?
Crickets
Let me help you. One of two sources. Coal mining or nuclear. :) And those electric vehicle batteries are non-recyclable and environmentally toxic.

Green!
Yeah, green.
 

shittim

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we know the anti christ will come first as a man of peace ans shall deceive many, and elsewhere in scripture we see it said " there are many anti christs in the world". Perhaps this type deception is a rule of thumb for the adversaries minion, of whom there are many. I recall reading of Steve Jobs passing, of how in the last seconds he looked up into the right corner of the room and went "oh wow! Oh wow!" and then passed, this lines up with quite a few peoples passing that I have known and is the opposite of the experience of several I know who fought against the knowledge of God all their lives.
 

shittim

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So, even though there were and are many instances of people being cruelly exploited to supply we americans and others in the first world, somehow the Creator may weigh things differently, I know Jobs claimed to be Buddhist and yet in his early years he was baptized Christian, is this another situation like where Jesus said, "not one of these have I lost"?
 

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Agreed.
The fear paradigm that is being promulgated behind this flu virus is a Trojan horse style assault world wide. At least amid those nations that agree to lend lumber to constructing that horse.

It is an ages old trick utilized to bring the masses into full compliance. While publicly prosecuting the non-compliant as a warning.
In the case of this flu virus the means involves delivering false information about its threat to the general public. Lie about the numbers of dead who have succumbed, as we know has been the case since the pandemic fear paradigm was seeded into the public sphere in America. Lie about the number of positive tests for Covid 19.

The lie about the numbered dead lead to people seeking to be tested to see if they've been exposed or have the virus. Even when they don't, that false positive test has an effect.
Then tell all people who have been duly coerced by the propaganda of the death toll and the positive tests results, that they can remain safe if they follow these certain steps. And condemn those who fail to comply as a threat to the health and well being of everyone else.

Early on in this thing a term was invented to describe people who did not wear the masks that , oh, surprise (not), can actually spread virus, "mask shaming". Not really all that surprising that groups of people would reportedly cast aspersions on someone not wearing a mask. As I recall some people reported being physically assaulted for failing to wear a mask.
Then it became known that people with breathing issues, like COPD or Asthma, could be exempt from wearing a mask.

To be clear, there is no way to avoid virus in this world. Virus are airborne and they also transmit through surface contact. Which makes sense. If something spreads through the air it stands to reason it will light on a surface. Coming in contact with that surface then causes the virus to transmit onto whatever touched it.

Which is why the masks are a harm, not a solution, to staying safe from Covid 19. If Covid 19 is in the air in lets say the grocery store you visit. That virus is going to transmit onto the outside of your mask and onto the surfaces in the store. You leave the store, get in your car and now Covid 19 is in your car with you. Take your mask into your house and now Covid 19 virus is in your house. And you touch your mask to take it off so now it is on your hands. Wearing gloves? OK, but you have to use one bare hand to remove the other glove.

See how it works?
And there have been many reports wherein specialists have said, only those who are Asymptomatic, refers to a person who has the infection but no symptoms and will not develop them later. Or who actually do have the virus, should wear masks. Because such people at the time of those reports were suffering lack of access to masks because of the mandates in place nearly nationwide making them scarce at the time.
And not every mask type is safe. Health care workers on the front line treating Covid 19 patients wear The ‘Tesla TSLA, +12.56% of masks’ , which are also called N-95 masks. These help prevent the health care provider from contracting the airborne virus.
These aren't readily available to the public.
Try finding the literature now that was once available and reporting that masks can spread Covid 19.

Cloth masks are basically transport devices for any virus including Covid 19. They're useless except for giving a person a false sense of security. Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, wears designer cloth masks costing $22.00 each and more. Though I doubt the designer makes her pay for them since the designer label is impossible to miss on Ms. Pelosi's face on a daily basis. Ah, advertising.

Another thing that kills virus? Sunlight! Vitamin D. Though there is a movement that insists you should wear masks outside. And there's one broiling now that insists upon wearing them in your home.

Estimated Inactivation of Coronaviruses by Solar Radiation With Special Reference to COVID-19


One thing this virus has accomplished? The erosion of freedoms and liberties of Americans on a near daily basis. Especially we Christians.
Where's the cure for that?
Here's a clue in a single 10 letter word. Starts with a R, ends with an N. .
Okay, 62,000 people have died from the flu this year. An additional 180,000 have died from the Corona virus since March. The flu deaths this year is about the same average it has been for the last 10 years. You are saying that it is one in the same how?
years. So this Corona flu is mixed in here how?
 

shittim

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so many numbers being thrown around, yet I know of no one who has been ill with this.
 

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Dr. Fauci is doing the same thing with Hexy that he did with aids medicine, at the cost of lives-
 

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Only an insecure person goes hitting with all red X's over and over... if you truly could prove what you promote you would need to act like a child over and over, but no worry I can disagree with you too.
Well, I'm pleased that you're coming to terms with your insecurities, but you also need to learn to say sorry when you are wrong. Your predictions have been absolutely wrong from the very start of this fake pandemic, and you have not said one word of apology to anyone who pointed out your inaccuracies from the start.

I can live with the red X's, knowing that you are coming to terms with your problem. And remember, acknowledging you have a problem is the first step to resolving it. :)
 
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My understanding is that the publications are not pulled or the outcry would be great indeed.
But the more subtle restriction of dissemination of that information to the public by the public is what is going on.
Posts by individuals looking to share the information of those results are what is being censored in my understanding.
If you can not get the word out then it is like it did not even happen.
Which one can only assume would be the motive behind it all.
If you cant win the clinical trials, silence the spread of the information.

But I am not expert, just a science guy who had read the retracted clinical negative study with the big red RETRACTED stamp on every page wondering what is this all about?
I have several people in my immediate family publushed in science journals.

I know the process well.
The publication on 5G causing Covid 19 was retracted because there was inappropriate influence on the peer reviewer...

"If you can't win clinical trials" ...that is not how science works.
 
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@Moses_Young you really need to chill out.
You have limited knowledge of the real world.
 
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Well, I'm pleased that you're coming to terms with your insecurities, but you also need to learn to say sorry when you are wrong. Your predictions have been absolutely wrong from the very start of this fake pandemic, and you have not said one word of apology to anyone who pointed out your inaccuracies from the start.

I can live with the red X's, knowing that you are coming to terms with your problem. And remember, acknowledging you have a problem is the first step to resolving it. :)
Hilarious....you think 5G causes Covid 19
 
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Rational is subjective, and is always impacted by ones presuppositions which effect how you process the transmissions to your brain from your senses. So clearly believing your own eyes and ears is a matter of faith in your own reasoning.
Which is a big mistake when posting in the conspiracy thread.
Of course you have your tinfoil hat on, then your good.;)
Evidence is more that eyes and ears.
I am very good at examining my presuppositions and being objective, agree most people are not, to their own detriment sadly.
 
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Evidence is more that eyes and ears.
I am very good at examining my presuppositions and being objective, agree most people are not, to their own detriment sadly.
Examining ones own truths and testing them is not a process everyone is willing to engage in.
But like bad stones in a foundation of a wall built long ago, some truths we hold to are in that in fact are false.
Long accepted and long forgotten we have built up on them our very identity and for those who have not come to know the value of the process still find it a threat to the foundations of who they think themselves to be.

But in truth every Good stone is of value and to test them all is to become stable and strong.
Like the temple was torn down so that not one stone remains upon another, we too must be torn down and our truths tested before we can be rebuilt with the strength withing to stand strong in Christ.

The ways of God can seem backwards even unfair but they are the only way.

To be strong we must become weak.
To be great we must become small.
To be true we must become false.
 
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I have several people in my immediate family publushed in science journals.

I know the process well.
The publication on 5G causing Covid 19 was retracted because there was inappropriate influence on the peer reviewer...

"If you can't win clinical trials" ...that is not how science works.
5G wireless communication causing covid. seriously? have not heard of that one.
Wait let me check are we still in the conspiracy theory thread?

No, but it is how the politics of science works.
Two different creatures.