Lord... where do I begin with this. I do not have all night...
"...but we are not to become soldiers of any government and kill other people, for we are soldiers of Christ!!" So police and military forces are sinful. Got it. It is more righteous to make yourself open to any and all attackers. Be the ultimate doormat. Funny... because John the Baptist and Jesus didn't tell the soldiers they spoke to to stop soldiering. Paul said that the government was put into place with the power to punish evil-doers (usually through police or soldiers) by the Lord Himself. How do they accomplish this? Through the threat of violence.
Nehemiah and Esther should have had you by their side when they were advising their people to defend themselves. In both situations -- and surely you know this since you are telling me how much the Bible says this or that -- the residents of Israel, in both cases under judgment via a foreign government, were told to defend themselves
to the death -- and -- pillage their attackers of any goods or valuables they had on them. Man... what rebellious sinners Nehemiah and Esther were.
On that note -- and you failed to address this --
we the people are the government of the US. Those we elect serve us, not vice versa. If they try to undo our constitution we have the
right to use whatever is reasonable to defend that document and the God-given liberties it protects.
"all revolutions were fought for "good cause" and ideals, only later on to be taken away by another wicked ideology (good example, western world that is currently embracing all kinds of sin and sinful behavior, though the original idea of democracy meant a different freedom)." You mean like the US was founded on a revolution to establish and enshrine that "different freedom"?
I never said that there wasn't a spiritual component to all of this. I see that demonic element in any pagan, tyrannical movement. There are (according to IFApray.org, an organization that you would hate for its sinful and awful participation in politics) witches praying, fasting, sacrificing, for the warping of the US. So yes, I am quite aware, and pray for the demons' punishment and judgment, and for the salvation of our human opposition, while also praying for their judgment should they be destined to never repent.
Being a Christian does not mean you are to stand for radical pacifism. The wisest man to ever walk the earth said that there is a time for war and a time for peace. Rest assured, he was not talking strictly spiritually.[/QUOT
Lord... where do I begin with this. I do not have all night...
"...but we are not to become soldiers of any government and kill other people, for we are soldiers of Christ!!" So police and military forces are sinful. Got it. It is more righteous to make yourself open to any and all attackers. Be the ultimate doormat. Funny... because John the Baptist and Jesus didn't tell the soldiers they spoke to to stop soldiering. Paul said that the government was put into place with the power to punish evil-doers (usually through police or soldiers) by the Lord Himself. How do they accomplish this? Through the threat of violence.
Nehemiah and Esther should have had you by their side when they were advising their people to defend themselves. In both situations -- and surely you know this since you are telling me how much the Bible says this or that -- the residents of Israel, in both cases under judgment via a foreign government, were told to defend themselves to the death -- and -- pillage their attackers of any goods or valuables they had on them. Man... what rebellious sinners Nehemiah and Esther were.
On that note -- and you failed to address this -- we the people are the government of the US. Those we elect serve us, not vice versa. If they try to undo our constitution we have the right to use whatever is reasonable to defend that document and the God-given liberties it protects.
"all revolutions were fought for "good cause" and ideals, only later on to be taken away by another wicked ideology (good example, western world that is currently embracing all kinds of sin and sinful behavior, though the original idea of democracy meant a different freedom)." You mean like the US was founded on a revolution to establish and enshrine that "different freedom"?
I never said that there wasn't a spiritual component to all of this. I see that demonic element in any pagan, tyrannical movement. There are (according to IFApray.org, an organization that you would hate for its sinful and awful participation in politics) witches praying, fasting, sacrificing, for the warping of the US. So yes, I am quite aware, and pray for the demons' punishment and judgment, and for the salvation of our human opposition, while also praying for their judgment should they be destined to never repent.
Being a Christian does not mean you are to stand for radical pacifism. The wisest man to ever walk the earth said that there is a time for war and a time for peace. Rest assured, he was not talking strictly spiritually.
Lord... where do I begin with this. I do not have all night...
"...but we are not to become soldiers of any government and kill other people, for we are soldiers of Christ!!" So police and military forces are sinful. Got it. It is more righteous to make yourself open to any and all attackers. Be the ultimate doormat. Funny... because John the Baptist and Jesus didn't tell the soldiers they spoke to to stop soldiering. Paul said that the government was put into place with the power to punish evil-doers (usually through police or soldiers) by the Lord Himself. How do they accomplish this? Through the threat of violence.
Nehemiah and Esther should have had you by their side when they were advising their people to defend themselves. In both situations -- and surely you know this since you are telling me how much the Bible says this or that -- the residents of Israel, in both cases under judgment via a foreign government, were told to defend themselves to the death -- and -- pillage their attackers of any goods or valuables they had on them. Man... what rebellious sinners Nehemiah and Esther were.
On that note -- and you failed to address this -- we the people are the government of the US. Those we elect serve us, not vice versa. If they try to undo our constitution we have the right to use whatever is reasonable to defend that document and the God-given liberties it protects.
"all revolutions were fought for "good cause" and ideals, only later on to be taken away by another wicked ideology (good example, western world that is currently embracing all kinds of sin and sinful behavior, though the original idea of democracy meant a different freedom)." You mean like the US was founded on a revolution to establish and enshrine that "different freedom"?
I never said that there wasn't a spiritual component to all of this. I see that demonic element in any pagan, tyrannical movement. There are (according to IFApray.org, an organization that you would hate for its sinful and awful participation in politics) witches praying, fasting, sacrificing, for the warping of the US. So yes, I am quite aware, and pray for the demons' punishment and judgment, and for the salvation of our human opposition, while also praying for their judgment should they be destined to never repent.
Being a Christian does not mean you are to stand for radical pacifism. The wisest man to ever walk the earth said that there is a time for war and a time for peace. Rest assured, he was not talking strictly spiritually.
We cannot live like Esther or Nehemiah, they lived under the law, we live under the grace, - there is a big difference between the two. If the old law said, - eye for eye and tooth for tooth, the new law of grace says - forgive and love your enemies, bless those who persecute you. Not many realize these words that Jesus said, because due to our human nature, it is easier to do otherwise.
As for the democracy I mentioned above, I simply returned back your point of view. No revolutions that took place in the world ever fixed problems in the world! No matter how hard you try, you will never succeed in changing the world, simply because it's run by Satan. That is why, Jesus is the Only One who Can fix all the problems in the world!
I'm not sure the nature of your bringing the soldiers and police up, since in the previous comments of yours, you were nearly glorifying the Hitler's assassin, and was in favor of revolutions and involvement in politics.
But, either way, - you can stay in your opinion, as I will keep mine.
I'll said it before, and I'll say again, - nowhere in the New Testament you will find one single verse that is calling us, as believers, to participate in the world in order to politically change it, by sword, or other means. If it were so, then so many early day Christians wouldn't have fallen as martyrs for their faith, but would have tried to do some kind of a revolt to overthrow the wicked Roman government that was persecuting and crucifying them.
Peace.
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