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Massive Crowd in North Carolina Roared “USA, USA, USA” When President Trump Says He Ran Twice and He Won Twice

At 73 I find myself totally amazed that grownups can be so gullible.
Before the trump revolution, I naturally believed the average IQ of Americans is high.
Now after seeing the trump revolution unfold my faith in human development has come down a notch or two; for the truest trumpeters even much lower.
So sad, sad indeed

:)-
 

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Massive Crowd in North Carolina Roared “USA, USA, USA” When President Trump Says He Ran Twice and He Won Twice

At 73 I find myself totally amazed that grownups can be so gullible.
Before the trump revolution, I naturally believed the average IQ of Americans is high.
Now after seeing the trump revolution unfold my faith in human development has come down a notch or two; for the truest trumpeters even much lower.
So sad, sad indeed

:)-
We were warned thousands of years ago it would get to be like this.

We have no reason to be surprised to see it happening.
 

Cameron143

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Question... are you voting for YOUR economic interests, or God's?

God's economic interests are:

Not hording riches
Supporting the sick, the poor, and the foreigner (but not the lazy)
Treating workers fairly
saving up treasure in heaven, not the world.

Are you voting for YOUR religious freedom, or God's?

God says about our religious freedom:

We will be hauled away, jailed, and killed for our faith as a witness and testimony of Him.

I would dare venture a guess that God's interests are opposite of the interests of the world.
Those questions were examples of how a child of the light might be as wise as the unrighteousness. For example: would it be better for people if there are no more abortions? For a whole host of reasons it would be. But it would also glorify God as His image will no longer be destroyed. Voting for people who can make that happen is both loving God and loving others.
I'm not sure why making choices is inherently evil. Or why making such a choice leads me away from God.
 

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I once believed common sense was in our gene pool. Know I know it is not.
So sad, sad indeed
:)-
actually, covid exposed how common sense is gone.

most of the country cowering in fear because the t v said to.

believing that your immune system is useless, but a shot will fix everything.

i could go on...
 

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Massive Crowd in North Carolina Roared “USA, USA, USA” When President Trump Says He Ran Twice and He Won Twice

At 73 I find myself totally amazed that grownups can be so gullible.
Before the trump revolution, I naturally believed the average IQ of Americans is high.
Now after seeing the trump revolution unfold my faith in human development has come down a notch or two; for the truest trumpeters even much lower.
So sad, sad indeed

:)-
The solution was so simple. Do a complete audit of the election in all 50 states. Go through the voter rolls and eliminate people who have died or no longer live in the state. Do an audit of the voting machines. Do a canvass, so if you have 20 mail in votes from one address make sure 20 people live there. If they had done that you would have restored trust. But instead they just continued to tell people to shut up, to be quiet, that they are deplorable, etc.

The amount of lies and misrepresentation over this of course no one trusts them.

I was a teacher in NYC, they audited our school every three years. It was a very big process for us and required weeks of preparation and yet they want to tell us it is too expensive to do a complete and thorough audit?

This could have been resolved in one month if the powers that be had taken it seriously. Now look what you have 70% of the country is very distrustful of the US government. You can't run a country in a democracy if 70% don't trust you.

Then to make things worse they classify parents showing up to school board meetings as domestic terrorists? What is the DOJ thinking? They shot themselves in the foot.

Now we learn that the Whitmer kidnapping was an FBI opp gone bad?

At what point will they say, OK, we need to do this full audit since it is obvious half the country wants it? No, instead Biden calls 75 million Americans extremists and his rhetoric was inflammatory and if it wasn't designed to split the country then what was it designed to do?

Biden tells us it is too expensive to spend 4 billion to finish the border wall yet sends $50 billion in a heartbeat to Ukraine.

They have no problem writing $5 trillion dollar spending bills yet we can't afford to to a complete audit of our elections?

Biden told us that the Hunter Biden Laptop was Russian disinformation. He is a liar. We all know it. They have destroyed their trust and their credibility.
 

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Oh, I thought it was to fulfill 2 Peter 3:3

Definition of Scoff -- speak to someone or about something in a scornfully derisive or mocking way.

For example: "Eschatology is just another word for rank speculation"
Just stating the OBVIOUS TRUTH of the matter. "Eschatologists" have been making up "End of the age fairy tales" for centuries.

Jesus will be back according to the Schedule, which has been on track, and in budget since the creation. AND NOBODY KNOWS what that Schedule is, although that doesn't stop 'em from writing books, or making meaningless claims.
 

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Just stating the OBVIOUS TRUTH of the matter. "Eschatologists" have been making up "End of the age fairy tales" for centuries.

Jesus will be back according to the Schedule, which has been on track, and in budget since the creation. AND NOBODY KNOWS what that Schedule is, although that doesn't stop 'em from writing books, or making meaningless claims.
Oh, and are the prophecies in the Bible made up fairy tales as well?
 

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Those questions were examples of how a child of the light might be as wise as the unrighteousness. For example: would it be better for people if there are no more abortions? For a whole host of reasons it would be. But it would also glorify God as His image will no longer be destroyed. Voting for people who can make that happen is both loving God and loving others.
I'm not sure why making choices is inherently evil. Or why making such a choice leads me away from God.
First off, I want to thank you for giving me a fair hearing and actually considering my arguments. That alone makes you a hero in my book :)

Yes I would like to stop abortion, and am doing what I can on a one on one basis with people. Recently chalked up a win (!) so that's a good thing!

The problem comes in what is bundled with it. Those who politically stand against abortion (a good thing) also stand for

hording riches
abandoning the sick, the poor, and the foreigner
treating workers unfairly
lies and hypocrisy

which are not good or Godly things.

So the question in choosing is, how much of the bad/unGodly things are you willing to support in the effort to stop abortion? That's the catch-22 of the situation.
 

JTB

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Just stating the OBVIOUS TRUTH of the matter. "Eschatologists" have been making up "End of the age fairy tales" for centuries.

Jesus will be back according to the Schedule, which has been on track, and in budget since the creation. AND NOBODY KNOWS what that Schedule is, although that doesn't stop 'em from writing books, or making meaningless claims.
I think you miss the point of the conversation. This is not about end times, this is about scriptures that say God's people will be deceived and drawn away from Him by false prophets using His Name:


1 Timothy 4:1

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times

some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits

and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy...

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2 Timothy 4:2

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering​

and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;​

but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

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Matthew 24

:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately.​

“Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming​

and of the end of the age?” 4 Jesus answered:​

“Watch out that no one deceives you.

5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.

...​

10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,​

11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,​

13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.​

...​

23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’​

or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.​

24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear

and perform great signs and wonders

to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

25 See, I have told you ahead of time. 26 “So if anyone tells you,​

‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out;​

or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.​

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Romans 16: 17

I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause division​

and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned.​

Keep away from them. 18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ,​

but their own appetites.​

By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.

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2 Peter 2: 1

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you.​

They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—​

bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct​

and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.​

3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories.

Their condemnation has long been hanging over them,​

and their destruction has not been sleeping.​

~​

Mark 13:5

Jesus said to them:​

Watch out that no one deceives you.​

6 Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’​

and will deceive many.

 

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First off, I want to thank you for giving me a fair hearing and actually considering my arguments. That alone makes you a hero in my book :)

Yes I would like to stop abortion, and am doing what I can on a one on one basis with people. Recently chalked up a win (!) so that's a good thing!

The problem comes in what is bundled with it. Those who politically stand against abortion (a good thing) also stand for

hording riches
abandoning the sick, the poor, and the foreigner
treating workers unfairlylies and hypocrisy

which are not good or Godly things.

So the question in choosing is, how much of the bad/unGodly things are you willing to support in the effort to stop abortion? That's the catch-22 of the situation.
I have enjoyed our discourse. But I continue to disagree that your other assertions are true
Grace and peace.
 

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I have enjoyed our discourse. But I continue to disagree that your other assertions are true
Grace and peace.
do you not want to continue the conversation?
 

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do you not want to continue the conversation?
I don't see the point as we've reached an impasse but I thoroughly enjoyed you taking the time to represent your views to me in a civil manner.
 

JTB

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I don't see the point as we've reached an impasse but I thoroughly enjoyed you taking the time to represent your views to me in a civil manner.
Fair enough. God bless!
 

Bob-Carabbio

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I think you miss the point of the conversation. This is not about end times,

Well - all of your cites are about the "end times", and your CLAIM that Trump will be the Antichrist (or the false prophet). Sounds end-timey to me. OF course, false prophets have been deceiving ignorant religious people for 2000 years, so nothing's new.
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Oh, and are the prophecies in the Bible made up fairy tales as well?
Chuckle!!! There's a LOT of difference between the BIBLE, YOU, and Edgar Whisnant.
 

JTB

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Chuckle!!! There's a LOT of difference between the BIBLE, YOU, and Edgar Whisnant.
Bob, I don't recall mocking and dismissal of God's word as fruit of the spirit. Forget what is going on here, and work on bearing fruit that is worthy of the Spirit. Because what you're doing here ain't that. What you're doing is showing love gone cold, one of the things we were warned against (and proof that I am not just barking up the wrong tree here).

God bless you. Now go your way.
 

JTB

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So...

Was I wrong (I often hope I am)

Is Trump down and out?

Is is this just more of the seemingly political fatal blow that he will arise from?

Only time will tell!
 

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I don't intend to vote for Trump or Biden this time around so I guess I'll see who else is on the ballot