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Susanna

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Ha, ha. Says the one parroting the Lamestream's
It's a biblical measure of how wise or how foolish one is. Far right would be totally wise. Far left would be devilishly foolish.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left.
Says the one claiming that the earth is flat.😁
 

iamsoandso

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I'm sorry, but I truly don't understand what this means.

Not to mention, you didn't address the question at all.
So what defines a "far right" person. What are their policy beliefs that make them "far right"?

lol, In Texas Abbott,Cruz,Paxton,Patrick ect. see themselves as far right MAGA supporters/members and their not ashamed of it. In the Governors debate between Abbott and O'rourke they ask Abbott if he was concerned that some of his supporters saw him as "too far right" but he didn't deny it(it's on YouTube). So is there a secret definition of the term far right that you are trying to separate your self from? Just asking because in Texas they mostly see it as a good thing and not something that they would hide.
 

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As for what's working for me, I don't know if it is or isn't. If I can plant a pebble in their shoe, however, then that's my role.
Well then don't be ignorant about what you are up against. All churches in the US with a tax exempt status are 501 (c)(3) churches. This means that if they renounce that status all their assets (meeting hall, etc) must go to another 501 (c)(3) organization. Therefore, you can say the assets belong to the government.

Now a 501 (c)(3) must submit to the laws of the state. If a state says you cannot discriminate against women then you must allow women pastors. If the state says you cannot discriminate against the LGBTQ+ community then you must accept LGBTQ+ pastors. If the state says that bathrooms must allow people to use the bathroom of the gender they identify with then you must abide by that.

You are not allowed to push partisan political issues. Pro life is clearly a "partisan issue" and a church that openly supports that can lose their tax exempt status and be required to pay the missing taxes. However, everyone supports diversity, equity and inclusion. No one claims to be a bigot. Everyone agrees that slavery was bad and institutional racism is bad, so everyone supports "CRT" to some extent. This is why Obama's pastor could be so political while all other pastors are muzzled.

Not only so but a 501 (c)(3) must be governed by a board of directors. This is how Jesuits and Freemason are able to get control of churches, pump money into them and turn them into "mega churches". The board is focused on being "fiscally responsible" which translates to "don't condemn sin" and "don't talk about hell" and "preach OSAS" etc. They don't prohibit the teaching of the word of God, rather they discourage or even prohibit certain topics. So churches do not talk about eschatology, they don't talk about the Antichrist, they don't talk about judgement on the world.

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

This ruler did not repent for calling Jesus God, so this was not a rebuke, it clarified that this guy was saying Jesus is God in a discreet way. So this is not about the Pharisees, they would never have said this.

20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. 21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

So this guy has been raised from his youth with the ten commandments. Clearly not a Roman. He has been raised to live according to the Bible from his youth and he recognizes that Jesus is God. This man sounds like a Christian ruler.

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

Do you have any idea how rich some of these denominations are? When I was a NYC stockbroker I learned that the biggest trust fund in the city was held by the Episcopalian church. This rich young ruler that Jesus is talking to could very easily be the pastor of a Mega church or any 501 (c)(3) church.

What is the solution to a church that feels handcuffed by the IRS? Simple, sell all that you have, give the money to the poor (soup kitchen, etc) and come follow the Lord Jesus.
 

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lol, In Texas Abbott,Cruz,Paxton,Patrick ect. see themselves as far right MAGA supporters/members and their not ashamed of it. In the Governors debate between Abbott and O'rourke they ask Abbott if he was concerned that some of his supporters saw him as "too far right" but he didn't deny it(it's on YouTube). So is there a secret definition of the term far right that you are trying to separate your self from? Just asking because in Texas they mostly see it as a good thing and not something that they would hide.
Those people enjoy acting like they’re the toughest ones in town.😂 Must have been watching “Rio Bravo” with John Wayne too many times.
 

iamsoandso

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That's why I asked YOU to define the term. What policies determine that someone is "far right" in your mind. Not just blanket statements.

As for me I don't have a private interpretation of Left/Right wing politics because to me far right or far left is a common term used to define extremes in both parties of politics. Why I'm saying this is that the term Right/Left wing politics is like 235 years old and the whole world uses the same definition for both positions. Anyway it seems as if in the US the cancel culture may be trying to change the meaning of it but I'm not in agreement with changing things like Rainbow to mean something else and so it means to me the same as the rest of the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_political_spectrum
 

iamsoandso

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Those people enjoy acting like they’re the toughest ones in town.😂 Must have been watching “Rio Bravo” with John Wayne too many times.

lol, Yep I think it hit them really hard in 2020 when flipping from Red to Blue was only decided by 631,221 votes an they got scared about those 38 electoral votes... I'm not a fan of Democrats though but if this is the Republicans idea of what Texas is when you make it great again it's gotten worse instead of better over the last 30 years since back when Democrats were in charge. Which means we no longer need to wonder what they would actually do if given the opportunity,,, we're living it every day in Texas...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas
 
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this reminded me of a book from, oh, must be 20 years ago, called Slouching Towards Gomorrah. ever heard of it?

here's the thing: if you (not you personally, but generally) don't know the past, you won't understand the present. if you've never read about the Frankfurt School, or read Gramsci's Prison Notebooks and heard about the long march through the culture, you're going to be missing a huge piece of how we got here.

but since the Frankfurt School (Marxists) left Europe and made a home in our universities a hundred years ago, we've been, uh, slouching towards Gomorrah. hhhhhhhh
I never knew that. Interesting. Frustrating and aggravating, but also interesting.
 

ZNP

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lol, Yep I think it hit them really hard in 2020 when flipping from Red to Blue was only decided by 631,221 votes an they got scared about those 38 electoral votes... I'm not a fan of Democrats though but if this is the Republicans idea of what Texas is when you make it great again it's gotten worse instead of better over the last 30 years since back when Democrats were in charge. Which means we no longer need to wonder what they would actually do if given the opportunity,,, we're living it every day in Texas...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Texas
Yep, look at this "tax package" they are ramming through without a hearing,

The patronage package — 120k richest families get the biggest benefit, bottom 88 million get the least. Giving META subsidies (tax rate drops from 25% to -2%). Cost for 1 year of schooling for an immigrant is 50k a year, firms get cheap labor but taxpayers pay the bill.

A Democrat bill to expand the welfare state.

Yet it was so upside down and awful that the Senate couldn't even gag it down.
 

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Yep, look at this "tax package" they are ramming through without a hearing,

The patronage package — 120k richest families get the biggest benefit, bottom 88 million get the least. Giving META subsidies (tax rate drops from 25% to -2%). Cost for 1 year of schooling for an immigrant is 50k a year, firms get cheap labor but taxpayers pay the bill.

A Democrat bill to expand the welfare state.

Yet it was so upside down and awful that the Senate couldn't even gag it down.
I tried searching for "the patronage package" did you put a link and it not post?
 

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I tried searching for "the patronage package" did you put a link and it not post?
That is my name for it. The House calls it the "Tax relief Bill" and it is tax relief to META and the 120,000 richest families in America.
 

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This bill came out of the house which is supposedly controlled by the Republicans, so I was agreeing with you that it doesn't really matter, Democrat or Republican, the majority of them are bought shills.

Yep nothing's like in the old days anymore. When I was young I didn't pay much attention to politics I guess the first time I really watched it was because Allen Shivers was endorsed by both Republicans and Democrats for governor of Texas. I agree though it don't really matter who's who anymore.
 

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Yep nothing's like in the old days anymore. When I was young I didn't pay much attention to politics I guess the first time I really watched it was because Allen Shivers was endorsed by both Republicans and Democrats for governor of Texas. I agree though it don't really matter who's who anymore.
Yep the bank. robbers wised up. What is the point of stealing 10k from a bank with all that heat and chance of getting killed when you can steal $10 billion from tax payers with little or no risk of prison, much less getting shot.
 

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This bill came out of the house which is supposedly controlled by the Republicans, so I was agreeing with you that it doesn't really matter, Democrat or Republican, the majority of them are bought shills.
Yup. Its all about the Benjamins.....
Though I do congratulate the contingent in Congress that are fighting this hydra.