Ukraine the bad guy?

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Fundaamental

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IIRC... 2 leaders of smaller countries that refused vaccines from the United States mysteriously died. That was about it.
yeah probably killed on purpose. Maybe they where the only two leaders of the world left who where not artificial clones.

Funny how no major countries lost leaders,
 

cv5

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The real war is on the spirit that lives in people.

Thats the real war here.
People being used for war and being made to feel indispensable.
Whilst leaders stay rich.

COVID = deliberate = disease death and famine for people, did any leaders of the world die ?.
After COVID tax rises interest rates rises food costs,
Same result poverty for people.

Wars = death disease and famine for people with the spirit even soldiers.
After war, tax rises interest rises mental scars. More poverty for people long suffering physically for soldiers and civilians.

End result many people with the spirit killed, Satan happy.
The real war spiritual warfare.

Who wins Satan every time.
How can it stop.
World wide coop from civilians.

Never going to happen sadly until the lord returns.
Hear of the grace and understanding of the GIBEONITES. And Rizpah. And how all of this relates to the advent and righteous kingdom of Messian. The Coming One Who both parties understood FAR MORE that most Christians today.

This is an amazing lecture. You must hear it.

Gibeonites And Circumcision! | Cliffside Community Chapel (sermonaudio.com)
 

SomeDisciple

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yeah probably killed on purpose.
There was discussion about that on another thread for awhile after the assassination of President Moise of Haiti- but it took a lot of time for their investigation to play out and I lost interest...

Now it turns out it's been thoroughly investigated: a US security company based out of Florida (who also said they had the support of the US dept. of state), hired the people that carried out the assassination. Go figure.
 

cv5

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Hear of the grace and understanding of the GIBEONITES. And Rizpah. And how all of this relates to the advent and righteous kingdom of Messian. The Coming One Who both parties understood FAR MORE that most Christians today.

This is an amazing lecture. You must hear it.

Gibeonites And Circumcision! | Cliffside Community Chapel (sermonaudio.com)
Actually it was this sermon. Still waiting to hear that one.
You will be in for quite a shock.

Circumcision Equals... Grace! | Cliffside Community Chapel (sermonaudio.com)
 

Fundaamental

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There was discussion about that on another thread for awhile after the assassination of President Moise of Haiti- but it took a lot of time for their investigation to play out and I lost interest...

Now it turns out it's been thoroughly investigated: a US security company based out of Florida (who also said they had the support of the US dept. of state), hired the people that carried out the assassination. Go figure.
my instincts where right then. I get preminitions about theese things..
I do feel COVID was deliberate and the vaccine played a huge part in this Ukraine war,
So many people lost there minds.
So many peopl locked up and in lock down,
It was almost like any one person could be taken, behind the scenes.

Like possibly Putin isn't Putin no more zelenska also.
Biden to.
Any many more probably.

Who in the right mind starts a war whilst there nation is recovering from economy meltdown.

I saw the first live speech of Putin declaring to the world he would nuke anyone who came after him from the west.

Trust me that was no longer Putin and I've seen the same spirit in both Putin and zalenska.
 

Gideon300

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This would hold substance if you could prove that the chain of events of war events between Russia and Ukraine wasn't fixed between the two side to begin with.
You being ex military should realise more than anyone else how soilders are made to feel indespensable, so are your sure that you where never used as a war game between the two leaders in any active duty you served.
Many wars are now thought of as absolutely not necessary.
Like no evidence was ever found showing Saddam Hussein was producing weapons of mass destruction.
The Falklands war by even the UK forces ex soliders think the war was not necessary.

Vietnam war thought to be a waste of time.

Afghanistan same

ukraine and Russia have been playing war games for decades man.

Israel and the so called rightful heirs of there land the Palestinians
Wargames for decades.

Terrorist organisations forcing there way into power through war.

Ira terrorist soldiers in Ireland

both now seen as legitimate soldiers of war.

or are they all striking deals with the existing terrorists of our world, the world leaders.
Most servicemen returning from war have a degree of bitterness. And hindsight is a wonderful gift. It allows people to be right long after the events are over. The Falklands war was entirely justified. Ask the Falklanders. The treatment of some of the service personnel was not, especially the investigation into the Sheffield sinking.

My dad was in the Royal Navy and went to Korea. I'm sure the South Koreans are happy about the intervention of the UN forces. How about Malaya, as it was known then? The British and Australians put an end to the communist insurgency. The US could have learned something from them. Vietnam was a catastrophe for a number of reasons, mostly to do with American arrogance and stupidity.

Australia condemned the people of East Timor to the brutality of Indonesian occupation. Politics overruled morality and justice. I'd just finished my time in the Navy when that miserable affair took place.

Rewriting history is a favoured pastime of the woke and progressive. George Orwell saw this coming.

Ukraine was illegally and immorally invaded by Russia, who has a history going back to the break up of the Soviet Union. The world did nothing to stop Russia in 2014. Russia rightly saw this as weakness. What they did not forsee, or at least failed to tell Putin, was that Ukraine would not be bullied further.

If the peace loving nations are not prepared to resist the warmongers, they too will be overcome. Even now, Germany is loathe to protect itself. It wants others to do the hard work. Appeasement has never worked. Dictators see it as weakness, a green light to attack those unprepared to defend themselves. If the UK had not entered WW2 (it did not have to), all of Europe would have been under the control of Hitler. He could also have taken out much of Russia, as his forces would have had the logistics to do so. If the British had been forced out of Africa, Hitler's oil supply would have been assured. Britain may have been spared the horrors of war, but the "peace" would have been a sham. As an aside, I could well have not been born courtesy of Hitler. My mother lived not far from where a V2 rocket exploded.

"No such thing as a good war or a bad peace". I happen to disagree. There is peace in the cemetary. Ask the Poles what "peace" was like under German occupation, or Belgium, Denmark, France and Holland. Do you imagine that Christians would be tolerated by the Nazi regime? I'm not a warmonger, but if someone like Russia or China wants to take on the world, they must be resisted. I'm too old to learn Mandarin.
 

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Most servicemen returning from war have a degree of bitterness. And hindsight is a wonderful gift. It allows people to be right long after the events are over. The Falklands war was entirely justified. Ask the Falklanders. The treatment of some of the service personnel was not, especially the investigation into the Sheffield sinking.

My dad was in the Royal Navy and went to Korea. I'm sure the South Koreans are happy about the intervention of the UN forces. How about Malaya, as it was known then? The British and Australians put an end to the communist insurgency. The US could have learned something from them. Vietnam was a catastrophe for a number of reasons, mostly to do with American arrogance and stupidity.

Australia condemned the people of East Timor to the brutality of Indonesian occupation. Politics overruled morality and justice. I'd just finished my time in the Navy when that miserable affair took place.

Rewriting history is a favoured pastime of the woke and progressive. George Orwell saw this coming.

Ukraine was illegally and immorally invaded by Russia, who has a history going back to the break up of the Soviet Union. The world did nothing to stop Russia in 2014. Russia rightly saw this as weakness. What they did not forsee, or at least failed to tell Putin, was that Ukraine would not be bullied further.

If the peace loving nations are not prepared to resist the warmongers, they too will be overcome. Even now, Germany is loathe to protect itself. It wants others to do the hard work. Appeasement has never worked. Dictators see it as weakness, a green light to attack those unprepared to defend themselves. If the UK had not entered WW2 (it did not have to), all of Europe would have been under the control of Hitler. He could also have taken out much of Russia, as his forces would have had the logistics to do so. If the British had been forced out of Africa, Hitler's oil supply would have been assured. Britain may have been spared the horrors of war, but the "peace" would have been a sham. As an aside, I could well have not been born courtesy of Hitler. My mother lived not far from where a V2 rocket exploded.

"No such thing as a good war or a bad peace". I happen to disagree. There is peace in the cemetary. Ask the Poles what "peace" was like under German occupation, or Belgium, Denmark, France and Holland. Do you imagine that Christians would be tolerated by the Nazi regime? I'm not a warmonger, but if someone like Russia or China wants to take on the world, they must be resisted. I'm too old to learn Mandarin.
If everyone just said NO and stayed home there would not even be a war. Ever think about that?

I ask because all I ever hear out of you is a bloodthirsty yes yes yes give me a double.
 

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If everyone just said NO and stayed home there would not even be a war. Ever think about that?

I ask because all I ever hear out of you is a bloodthirsty yes yes yes give me a double.
Not everyone is against the war. I just learned that Blackrock now owns 30% of Ukraine! Apparently during a war people will flee their homes, stop paying the mortgage and then during the foreclosure auction these properties go for pennies on the dollar!

Now that does not mean that every single war monger is doing it because they are making money, some of them are just useful idiots.
 

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In a world where greed knows no bounds, Blackrock will stop at nothing to make a profit. They recruit politicians and other influential figures to promote a conflict based on false pretenses.

As the country becomes embroiled in this manufactured war, citizens are forced to flee their homes and become refugees. And that leaves the country ripe for the pickings.

With the residents unable to pay their mortgages, Blackrock swoops in and buys up the delinquent properties for pennies on the dollar. As the bank grows richer, it is all caviar and champagne down on the Riviera.

In a tale of corruption, greed, and deceit, the question becomes: How stupid are these people? They fell for the whole "trust the science" with the pandemic, they fell for the EUA of the vaccine, and now they are falling for this war.
 

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my instincts where right then. I get preminitions about theese things..
I do feel COVID was deliberate and the vaccine played a huge part in this Ukraine war,
So many people lost there minds.
So many peopl locked up and in lock down,
It was almost like any one person could be taken, behind the scenes.

Like possibly Putin isn't Putin no more zelenska also.
Biden to.
Any many more probably.

Who in the right mind starts a war whilst there nation is recovering from economy meltdown.

I saw the first live speech of Putin declaring to the world he would nuke anyone who came after him from the west.

Trust me that was no longer Putin and I've seen the same spirit in both Putin and zalenska.
Makes you wonder about Trump he took it too...
 

Gideon300

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If everyone just said NO and stayed home there would not even be a war. Ever think about that?

I ask because all I ever hear out of you is a bloodthirsty yes yes yes give me a double.
How about getting real with the understanding of human nature? The world you wish for does not exist. Go tell your idea to Putin, Xi. Kim, Hamas, Hezbollah, or the other instigators of violence. Either you defend yourself and resist or you become a subject of an antichrist dictatorship. There is no other choice. There never has been. There is always some antichrist dictator ready to attack at any sign of weakness. Before there were guns or swords, they used sharpened rocks.

Would you put on a uniform if the alternative was death or enslavement? Turning the other cheek does not mean that we have no right to defend ourselves against agression. After all, Americans arm themselves to the teeth in the vain hope that they will have an excuse to declare war on the government of the day.

Your day may well come. Modern youth are so pathetically weak, mentally unstable, drug addicted or physically incapable that few would be able to fight anyway. Xi will send in his troops and that will be the end of it. There will be no more war, but is that the kind of peace you want?
 

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How about getting real with the understanding of human nature? The world you wish for does not exist. Go tell your idea to Putin, Xi. Kim, Hamas, Hezbollah, or the other instigators of violence. Either you defend yourself and resist or you become a subject of an antichrist dictatorship. There is no other choice. There never has been. There is always some antichrist dictator ready to attack at any sign of weakness. Before there were guns or swords, they used sharpened rocks.

Would you put on a uniform if the alternative was death or enslavement? Turning the other cheek does not mean that we have no right to defend ourselves against agression. After all, Americans arm themselves to the teeth in the vain hope that they will have an excuse to declare war on the government of the day.

Your day may well come. Modern youth are so pathetically weak, mentally unstable, drug addicted or physically incapable that few would be able to fight anyway. Xi will send in his troops and that will be the end of it. There will be no more war, but is that the kind of peace you want?
this from a man who was o k with his gov. sending out a military like police force to beat the stuffings out of fellow austrailians during covid..
 

Gideon300

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this from a man who was o k with his gov. sending out a military like police force to beat the stuffings out of fellow austrailians during covid..
What exactly has that to do with Ukraine?

It's a shame that you are still careless with the truth. I've already stated what really happened. You refuse to accept the facts. I can't help that. Perhaps you need to read the bit about rebellion being as the sin of witchcraft. And then what God thinks about witchcraft.
 

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Most servicemen returning from war have a degree of bitterness. And hindsight is a wonderful gift. It allows people to be right long after the events are over. The Falklands war was entirely justified. Ask the Falklanders. The treatment of some of the service personnel was not, especially the investigation into the Sheffield sinking.

My dad was in the Royal Navy and went to Korea. I'm sure the South Koreans are happy about the intervention of the UN forces. How about Malaya, as it was known then? The British and Australians put an end to the communist insurgency. The US could have learned something from them. Vietnam was a catastrophe for a number of reasons, mostly to do with American arrogance and stupidity.

Australia condemned the people of East Timor to the brutality of Indonesian occupation. Politics overruled morality and justice. I'd just finished my time in the Navy when that miserable affair took place.

Rewriting history is a favoured pastime of the woke and progressive. George Orwell saw this coming.

Ukraine was illegally and immorally invaded by Russia, who has a history going back to the break up of the Soviet Union. The world did nothing to stop Russia in 2014. Russia rightly saw this as weakness. What they did not forsee, or at least failed to tell Putin, was that Ukraine would not be bullied further.

If the peace loving nations are not prepared to resist the warmongers, they too will be overcome. Even now, Germany is loathe to protect itself. It wants others to do the hard work. Appeasement has never worked. Dictators see it as weakness, a green light to attack those unprepared to defend themselves. If the UK had not entered WW2 (it did not have to), all of Europe would have been under the control of Hitler. He could also have taken out much of Russia, as his forces would have had the logistics to do so. If the British had been forced out of Africa, Hitler's oil supply would have been assured. Britain may have been spared the horrors of war, but the "peace" would have been a sham. As an aside, I could well have not been born courtesy of Hitler. My mother lived not far from where a V2 rocket exploded.

"No such thing as a good war or a bad peace". I happen to disagree. There is peace in the cemetary. Ask the Poles what "peace" was like under German occupation, or Belgium, Denmark, France and Holland. Do you imagine that Christians would be tolerated by the Nazi regime? I'm not a warmonger, but if someone like Russia or China wants to take on the world, they must be resisted. I'm too old to learn Mandarin.
The fauklands don't get me started, my relatives have thought for justice for there son who was killed in that war for 40 years.

Other soldiers told them how there regiment was abandoned.

And how that war absolutely not nesacary. Really your just another soldier fooled by our leaders sadly.
Sorry to bring the bad news to your service and honour.
 

Gideon300

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The fauklands don't get me started, my relatives have thought for justice for there son who was killed in that war for 40 years.

Other soldiers told them how there regiment was abandoned.

And how that war absolutely not nesacary. Really your just another soldier fooled by our leaders sadly.
Sorry to bring the bad news to your service and honour.
Argentina invaded sovereign British territory, while negotiations were going on that would have returned the Falklands to Argentina. Galtieri was looking for something to boost his popularity. In my opinion, that is no a valid reason to invade another nation.

The war indeed was not necessary. However, if my neighbour decided to park his car in my driveway, I would do something about it. I would ask nicely and point out that he had no right to be there. If that did not work, I would have plan B, C or whatever it took to get my home back. If it was America, he would probably come at me with a gun. That would escalate the situation. I would get the police involved as I don't own a gun. And that's how wars start.
 

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Argentina invaded sovereign British territory, while negotiations were going on that would have returned the Falklands to Argentina. Galtieri was looking for something to boost his popularity. In my opinion, that is no a valid reason to invade another nation.

The war indeed was not necessary. However, if my neighbour decided to park his car in my driveway, I would do something about it. I would ask nicely and point out that he had no right to be there. If that did not work, I would have plan B, C or whatever it took to get my home back. If it was America, he would probably come at me with a gun. That would escalate the situation. I would get the police involved as I don't own a gun. And that's how wars start.
correct about the fauklands but what about the war happening in the first place being wrong.
The Falkland islands the Argentinians and some brits where inhabiting where desolate only roughly 2000 people lived there , that's absolutely nothing man.
It's not as if the soldiers of Argentina where doing anything bad to them.
Then you have to look at all the other wars with the same idea.