Ukraine the bad guy?

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Gideon300 said:
Can you not see that appeasement is pure folly?
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There are two sides to the debate and appeasement is not coming from either side, why even bring it up? The two sides are very clear: Ukraine should and can defend itself vs. The US must rush in and defend Ukraine. No one, on either side of this debate is calling for appeasement.

The hypocrisy is that people who have lived in Australia for 50+ years are calling for the US to go defend Ukraine. Why not call on Australia to go and defend Ukraine?

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How about Ukrainian athletes whose homes are bombed and families killed? And the West refuses Ukraine permission to strike Russian territory for fear of escalation. Ukraine has no choice as it has to keep the West happy or their weapons will dry up. What is fair about that?
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This is stunning. Here is the offer, you want our weapons to defend Ukraine, OK we give them to you, if you use them to invade Russia, then the deal is off. If you have an issue with that deal then get Australia to give them weapons to attack Russia.

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If Ukraine falls, Putin will attack other former USSR nations next. As they have already. Ukraine has substantial resources that Russia can use. It's not a buffer from NATO nations, rather a stepping stone for more aggressive action. That's why Poland is rearming as quick as they can. They know that if Ukraine falls, they will be the next target.
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So we have two ifs here, Ukraine falls, and Russia attacks other former USSR nations. OK, even if that happens Poland has had more than a year to prepare and once they do attack a NATO country it changes the equation. At that point counterstrikes will be on the table.
 
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Here's an Australian who definitely has picked a side and tends to report EVERYTHING from the good, bad, and indifferent news. He tries to see both sides but ultimately has picked one.


 
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Gideon300 said:
$$$David Petraus and many others disagree.$$$
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American general staff are more politicians than warriors nowadays.
In WW2, there were something like 5 top generals in the US army.
 
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cv5 said:
American general staff are more politicians than warriors nowadays.
In WW2, there were something like 5 top generals in the US army.
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Once war starts they'll get weeded out quickly. Just like during the Civil War
 
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ZNP said:
Once war starts they'll get weeded out quickly. Just like during the Civil War
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Does any sane person actually believe that Grandpa Disaster could possibly serve adequately as commander-in-chief?
Same goes for Congress. No way this motley crew could rise to that kind of extraordinary calling.

They are better off to stay out of the battlefield and play in their liberal fantasy sandbox.
 
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cv5 said:
Does any sane person actually believe that Grandpa Disaster could possibly serve adequately as commander-in-chief?
Same goes for Congress. No way this motley crew could rise to that kind of extraordinary calling.

They are better off to stay out of the battlefield and play in their liberal fantasy sandbox.
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It’s obvious that you have no knowledge of US military structure lol.
 
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From the ISW website (institute for the Study of War)....they also have maps.

Because Russian courts have been criminalizing everyone who has spoken out against the War in Ukraine....they started this:

Senior Russian officials proposed a series of domestic repression and censorship measures during the St. Petersburg International Legal Forum on May 11. The theme of the forum centered on the criminalization of “Russophobia,” a measure that Russian Human Rights Council Chairperson Valery Fadeev proposed and Deputy Minister of Justice Andrey Loginov and Russian Ombudsman Tatyana Moskalkova supported.[16] Moskalkova defined Russophobia as a “misanthropic ideology,” and a State Duma deputy claimed that the International Criminal Court’s arrest warrants for Russian officials for the kidnapping of Ukrainian children to Russia is an example of “Russophobia.”[17] Deputy Minister of Justice Oleg Sviridenko announced an expansion of the law against ”foreign agents” to include a section penalizing ”third parties” for aiding foreign agents in violating Russian law.[18] Russian Investigative Committee Chairperson Alexander Bastrykin asked Russian Constitutional Court Chairperson Valery Zorkin to look into ways of establishing an unspecified state ideology in the Russian Constitution, which Bastrykin claimed would require the Duma to adopt a new constitution rather than pass an amendment.[19] Russian Minister of Justice Konstantin Chuichenko supported Bastrykin’s proposal, but Zorkin noted that the current constitution contains a set of values that can ”allow civil society to connect.”[20] Senior Russian officials’ introduction of such proposals indicates that the Kremlin may be gauging the information space reaction to increased repression measures and setting conditions for long-term strengthening of these measures.
 
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JohnDB said:
https://funker530.com/video/nsfw-medic-reloads-magazines-in-between-casualties-during-gunfight

Only copy and watch this video if you are able to withstand seeing war in raw real terms.
An army medic is desperately reloading magazines for the soldiers so they don't get overrun while tending to his patient.

It's as crazy as it gets....it's war!....ugly and brutal.
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But morale is high brothers!

Yes, war is wonderful if "Russian orcs" are dying but a tragedy when Ukrainians are?
Sound like you are fiddling the same old tune that has been the cause of untold millions of deaths worldwide.

I have a suggestion: everybody stay home. Everybody ignore the draft. Everybody refuse to participate. Everybody tell the politicians and kings to buzz off.

War serves the ambitions of kings and the $$$monied elite$$$. Wake up.
 
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JohnDB said:
And a look from the other side of things....
War is horrible!
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1656832939160748035
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Many moons ago, Zelensky was willing to negotiate. Not any longer. Now there are only irrational and outrageous demands issued for the express purpose of making negotiations IMPOSSIBLE.

What changed pray tell? The $$$offer$$$ of course. And a gun to the ribs as added surety that Zelensky will hold up his end of the bargain.

The delusional coke-head with grand ambitions of avarice thought he could outwit Satan. Foolish. Only the pre-fall Adam was not deceived.

Even Michael did not debate Satan. He knew he was not up to that task of rebuking the master deceiver. A fact not well understood by the Church today.

Jde 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
 
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Gideon300 said:
David Petraus and many others disagree. The only advantage Russia has is that they are not being bombarded with missiles like Ukrainian civilians are suffering. On the other hand, Russian manufacturing is suffering because so many men are fighting, being severely injured and dying on the front lines. Putin started this, no matter what you say.
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This is what I say.......

Psa 73:12
Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.

Psa 73:17
Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.
 
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cv5 said:
Does any sane person actually believe that Grandpa Disaster could possibly serve adequately as commander-in-chief?
Same goes for Congress. No way this motley crew could rise to that kind of extraordinary calling.

They are better off to stay out of the battlefield and play in their liberal fantasy sandbox.
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Grandpa disaster has been the best thing for the gospel. We are seeing people twice or even three times more interested in the gospel than they were just a year ago. Also the scoffing is way down, when you talk about the possibility of WWIII no one is scoffing, not even my brother the graduate from Harvard law school.
 
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