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Doug Casey says, China and U.S. heading to major war.



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Countries worldwide are dropping the US dollar: De-dollarization in China, Russia, Brazil, ASEAN

"The global de-dollarization campaign is gaining momentum, as countries around the world seek alternatives to the hegemony of the US dollar. China, Russia, Brazil, India, ASEAN nations, Kenya, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE are now using local currencies in trade."

"The global de-dollarization campaign is gaining momentum, as countries around the world seek alternatives to the hegemony of the US dollar."


"China and Russia are trading in their own currencies.
Beijing and Brazil have also dropped the dollar in bilateral trade.
The UAE is selling China its gas in yuan, through a French company.
Southeast Asian nations in ASEAN are de-dollarizing their trade, promoting local payment systems.
Kenya is buying Persian Gulf oil with its own currency."

Even the Financial Times newspaper has acknowledged that a “multipolar currency world” is emerging.

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/04/06/dedollarization-china-russia-brazil-asean/

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Countries worldwide are dropping the US dollar: De-dollarization in China, Russia, Brazil, ASEAN

"The global de-dollarization campaign is gaining momentum, as countries around the world seek alternatives to the hegemony of the US dollar. China, Russia, Brazil, India, ASEAN nations, Kenya, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE are now using local currencies in trade."

"The global de-dollarization campaign is gaining momentum, as countries around the world seek alternatives to the hegemony of the US dollar."


"China and Russia are trading in their own currencies.
Beijing and Brazil have also dropped the dollar in bilateral trade.
The UAE is selling China its gas in yuan, through a French company.
Southeast Asian nations in ASEAN are de-dollarizing their trade, promoting local payment systems.
Kenya is buying Persian Gulf oil with its own currency."

Even the Financial Times newspaper has acknowledged that a “multipolar currency world” is emerging.

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/04/06/dedollarization-china-russia-brazil-asean/

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I guess we will have to wait and see Bugs!?!?
this is not being talked about anywhere near enough in this country as it should be....
 

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this is not being talked about anywhere near enough in this country as it should be....
Libya and Iraq tried to get off the Dollar, and things got pretty bad for them after words. If history repeats itself, things are gonna get nasty soon. The only difference this time is China and Russia could go toe to toe with the U.S. and NATO, unlike Libya and Iraq.
 

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Libya and Iraq tried to get off the Dollar, and things got pretty bad for them after words. If history repeats itself, things are gonna get nasty soon. The only difference this time is China and Russia could go toe to toe with the U.S. and NATO, unlike Libya and Iraq.
It isn't just US and NATO, you also have Saudi Arabia and UAE, and you have South Africa the key country in Africa and Brazil, the key country in South America and India. These are some of the biggest buyers of US debt are now selling it. No one wants US debt anymore at a time when we have to sell debt to simply stay afloat.

People look at the debt to GDP and think, it isn't good but it isn't as bad as the worst countries. The problem is look at the size of the debt, $32 trillion. Other countries are borrowing 0.1% of what the US has to borrow.

Also, look at how thrifty the people are, the US is a spend thrift compared to all these other nations. The US is like the homeless person who is asking for $1,000 so he can stay at the Ritz.
 

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It isn't just US and NATO, you also have Saudi Arabia and UAE, and you have South Africa the key country in Africa and Brazil, the key country in South America and India. These are some of the biggest buyers of US debt are now selling it. No one wants US debt anymore at a time when we have to sell debt to simply stay afloat.

People look at the debt to GDP and think, it isn't good but it isn't as bad as the worst countries. The problem is look at the size of the debt, $32 trillion. Other countries are borrowing 0.1% of what the US has to borrow.

Also, look at how thrifty the people are, the US is a spend thrift compared to all these other nations. The US is like the homeless person who is asking for $1,000 so he can stay at the Ritz.
I get what you are saying, but the U.S. just keeps pushing the debt ceiling higher. That's why inflation is getting higher, since China is making all the goods, and U.S. keeps buying. It was a good game for awhile, but eventually the producers will want to use the dollars to buy things. U.S. could sell them military secrets, but so could Russia.

The U.S. has no reason to pay off the debt, when the Federal Reserve keeps supplying them with cheap money, but with interest rates rising, it gets more expensive. Once things go stale for the U.S., they go back to tanks, bombs, and take overs. I think China and Russia has planned for this, so they made sure they could keep the U.S. in check.

The biggest concern for the U.S. in my opinion is all the division and with questionable leadership. Who wants to join the military right now? Force vaccinations and President Biden as your leader? I have heard that recruiters are having a difficult time filling boots, so maybe the U.S. will switch to a more unmanned military, or possibly start the draft again.

The U.S. has the largest economy, so it would make sense that they would have the largest debt. I see the U.S. in the decline and slowly crumbling, but far from homeless. That's just my take. Other countries will do far worst, than the U.S.. The U.K. had it's time and decline, but they bounced back, and seem pretty stable over all. They just aren't the Super Power they once were, I see the U.S. heading that direction. Far from homeless.
 

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I get what you are saying, but the U.S. just keeps pushing the debt ceiling higher. That's why inflation is getting higher, since China is making all the goods, and U.S. keeps buying. It was a good game for awhile, but eventually the producers will want to use the dollars to buy things. U.S. could sell them military secrets, but so could Russia.

The U.S. has no reason to pay off the debt, when the Federal Reserve keeps supplying them with cheap money, but with interest rates rising, it gets more expensive. Once things go stale for the U.S., they go back to tanks, bombs, and take overs. I think China and Russia has planned for this, so they made sure they could keep the U.S. in check.

The biggest concern for the U.S. in my opinion is all the division and with questionable leadership. Who wants to join the military right now? Force vaccinations and President Biden as your leader? I have heard that recruiters are having a difficult time filling boots, so maybe the U.S. will switch to a more unmanned military, or possibly start the draft again.

The U.S. has the largest economy, so it would make sense that they would have the largest debt. I see the U.S. in the decline and slowly crumbling, but far from homeless. That's just my take. Other countries will do far worst, than the U.S.. The U.K. had it's time and decline, but they bounced back, and seem pretty stable over all. They just aren't the Super Power they once were, I see the U.S. heading that direction. Far from homeless.
These countries are not stupid, they know they are carrying US debt and the reason the US has such a high standard of living is because they buy our debt. Before there was a quid pro quo, the military provided valuable services that promoted world trade and helped everyone. But recently the US has become a spend thrift, printing money is out of control while the rest of the world is being crushed by the burden. We cry about 6-8% inflation while other countries have 110% to 120% inflation. The US used to be a major manufacturer, no more. They used to be a major producer of energy, no more.

Now I get there are several plausible scenarios for the future of the US, all of which involve us going downhill. It is not hard to theorize a gradual descent, nor is it hard to envision a rapid descent. I think the Lord will judge the US, it will be a catastrophic black swan event. The so called experts will all claim that no one could have predicted it, even though there are probably 10 different prophets and some interesting Bible verses that have predicted it. But the US has enemies and they will jump on the chance to kick the US while we are down. The US is the Great Babylon, we are being born by the world's beast system economy, and they hate the US, given the chance they will burn us, devour our flesh (seize all our assets when we can't repay our debts) and burn us with fire.
 

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He's got the whole world in His hands, nothing happens here that our Creator does not know in advance and His plan to redeem His creation is going forward, if America survives this ccp installed reprobate and his abhorrent satanic administration it will be credit to the remnant who pray without ceasing and His compassion on us.
blessings:)
 

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https://www.wsj.com/world/in-blow-t...tists-capitulate-in-nagorno-karabakh-552db48d

In Blow to Russia, Armenian Separatists Capitulate in Nagorno-Karabakh
Cease-fire follows assault by Azerbaijani forces, signaling decline of Russian influence in former Soviet territories


That's gonna leave a mark.
Can you explain what that means? I really have no idea who Nagorno-Karabakh is, or Azerbaljani. That website you posted has a pay wall, so found this article down below.

Who can break this down for me? It just sounds like Eastern Europe/Middle East are having fits and Russia brokered some kind of peace deal, but not sure.

https://apnews.com/article/armenia-...new-fighting-a32b39e785d5973710a0054e4283b082
 

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Can you explain what that means? I really have no idea who Nagorno-Karabakh is, or Azerbaljani. That website you posted has a pay wall, so found this article down below.

Who can break this down for me? It just sounds like Eastern Europe/Middle East are having fits and Russia brokered some kind of peace deal, but not sure.

https://apnews.com/article/armenia-...new-fighting-a32b39e785d5973710a0054e4283b082
Some here were using the conflict as more proof "We're already in WWII."
 

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Some here were using the conflict as more proof "We're already in WWII."
Really? I haven't heard anyone say that we are in WWII, that sounds like some Twilight Zone stuff from the NightTwister.
 

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Really? I haven't heard anyone say that we are in WWII, that sounds like some Twilight Zone stuff from the NightTwister.
You know I meant WWIII, you just wanted to get in some more insults. It's what you do.
 

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You know I meant WWIII, you just wanted to get in some more insults. It's what you do.
So are you saying that we aren't in WWIII? And by "some here" did you mean the defense minister of Russia?


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https://www.wsj.com/world/in-blow-t...tists-capitulate-in-nagorno-karabakh-552db48d

In Blow to Russia, Armenian Separatists Capitulate in Nagorno-Karabakh
Cease-fire follows assault by Azerbaijani forces, signaling decline of Russian influence in former Soviet territories


That's gonna leave a mark.
THIS, looks like it's going to leave a MUCH bigger mark!

NATO Fractures: In U-Turn, Poland Announces It Will No Longer Arm Ukraine

The dam is breaking on unified Western support for Ukraine, and the timing couldn't be worse for Zelensky, given tomorrow he's expected to meet with President Biden at the White House. On Wednesday evening there is monumental news out of Poland which could potentially change the entire course of the war.

"Poland will no longer arm Ukraine to focus on its own defense," Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced just hours after Warsaw summoned Ukraine's ambassador related to a fresh war of words and spat over blocked grain, according to the AFP. Warsaw has throughout more than a year-and-a-half of the Ukraine-Russia war been Kiev's staunchest and most outspoken supporter.

Will this massive and hugely significant about-face mark the beginning of the end? Are peace negotiations and ceding of territory in the Donbas inevitable at this point?

Full story:

NATO Fractures: In U-Turn, Poland Announces It Will No Longer Arm Ukraine | ZeroHedge
 

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THIS, looks like it's going to leave a MUCH bigger mark!

NATO Fractures: In U-Turn, Poland Announces It Will No Longer Arm Ukraine

The dam is breaking on unified Western support for Ukraine, and the timing couldn't be worse for Zelensky, given tomorrow he's expected to meet with President Biden at the White House. On Wednesday evening there is monumental news out of Poland which could potentially change the entire course of the war.

"Poland will no longer arm Ukraine to focus on its own defense," Polish prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki announced just hours after Warsaw summoned Ukraine's ambassador related to a fresh war of words and spat over blocked grain, according to the AFP. Warsaw has throughout more than a year-and-a-half of the Ukraine-Russia war been Kiev's staunchest and most outspoken supporter.

Will this massive and hugely significant about-face mark the beginning of the end? Are peace negotiations and ceding of territory in the Donbas inevitable at this point?

Full story:

NATO Fractures: In U-Turn, Poland Announces It Will No Longer Arm Ukraine | ZeroHedge
Let me get this straight, Ukraine is grabbing people off the street, they are drafting people as old as 62 and as young as, who knows. They are taking women and handicapped people and Poland doesn't want to give these people millions of dollars worth of weapons?
 

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Some here were using the conflict as more proof "We're already in WWII."

I'm not sure, how this was a bruise to Russia. Why do you think Russia was hurt by this, or why do you think the Washington Post thinks it shows less influence by Russia. It appears Russia is the one that is trying to have peace talks....Does this not show influence in the region? Also, these are renegade militias that are causing problems....right?

I'm sorry by the way, for asking the same question twice. I was just trying to understand.

I think there is a saying, the first thing that goes in a time of war is truth. I pretty much take all news with a grain a salt. I try to see what actually happened, than try to solve why it happened. Yes, I don't trust the story tellers. Even the conspiracy news sites I visit.

It's pretty obvious that the left and right like to fight, so conservative news and liberal news will always sling mud at each other. I get it, but this also breads discontentment with the country, and with each other. Let me get off the soap box. lol

As far as we know theses renegades could be funded by NATO...right? Don't tell me the U.S. hasn't had a history of regime changes in foreign countries, I think they the do.

So, are you saying WWIII isn't happening? I mean it could go either way, but it looks like things are escalating into a third world war, but that is just my take. Even the A.P. article hinted on WWIII. I don't think it's out of the question.
 

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No, WWIII (3) is not happening. Not even close. Anyone who knows anything about history knows what a world war looks like. We have two examples.
I struggled how to reply to this, I couldn't decide between disagree, informative or useful.

I didn't like the idea of disagree because I do agree with you sharing your opinion and having a right to your opinion and even that your opinion represents a significant portion of the population. I thought it would be better to voice my disagreement rather than use a reaction which could be misinterpreted.

Then I thought it was informative because it tells us what you are thinking, but others might think that by informative I was saying it was giving us useful information about the conflict.

So finally I landed on useful. The information about your opinion is useful to the discussion, and your analogy to WW1 and WW2 are also useful.

I think it is very clear that the start of WW1 was not the same as WW2, people were very reluctant to get into another world war. I suspect that WW3 will be even more reluctant since now we have atomic bombs and these are nuclear powers.

That said the collapsing economies around the world mimic the great depression and the hyper inflation in Germany.

The German miracle was funded by the elites who feared the communist revolution in Russia coming to Europe.

Likewise we see these elites today funding AGs and trying to destroy the US. They are causing people to flee cities like San Francisco, Oakland, Chicago, NYC, etc. They are funding politicians like Biden and others with the intention of destroying the US. It is like the photographic negative, with Germany they wanted to build up their ability to fight off the Russians, with the US they are trying to destroy our ability to fight against the globalists.

Another difference is that they are much more stealthy. We are witnessing an invasion of our border, not figurative, it is a full on invasion. We have more people coming across our Southern border each month than what we sent into France on D day. Yes, some of them are not military aged men, but when I see videos of thousands of them crossing the border it seems to me it is 80% men in their 20s and 30s. We have had 6 million come across the border plus 2 million estimated got aways and that doesn't even count the huge increase in the last month or two. 80% of this is over 6 million. That is a massive army. They don't have tanks, but they can disrupt telephone communication, train lines, power stations, etc. In a lot of cases all you need is two to three men with a crowbar to do some damage. There could easily be several hundred thousand teams. They can ambush cops, crash cars, cause blackouts, and in one or two teams cause insignificant damage, but multiply by 100,000 and have it coordinated and we will be in total chaos and confusion.

I see China's war games in the Taiwan Straight not as some "exercise" but as a dress rehearsal for an invasion. I see Russia, N. Korea, Iran, China, Venezuela and Nicaragua as coordinating together for shared interests. This is just like the axis powers, and just because some rich American doesn't want to go to war doesn't mean that is the way the N. Koreans, Venezuelans, Russians, or Chinese feel. I lived in Taiwan for 8 years and it was very clear to me the Chinese see the US the way the King of England looks on some dot.com millionaire. Very little respect. They have no interest in our manufacturing or education. The only thing of value that the US has to the Chinese is our farmland, so if Russia wanted to destroy the entire coastline of the US five miles deep the Chinese don't care that much. 65% of America lives within 5 miles of the coastline and we have no defense against their Poseidon torpedo which will cause a radioactive Tsunami 500 feet high.

I think just like Pearl Harbor the US will be the victim of a surprise attack, only this time it will be devastating, and I expect 60 million to die in this attack.

I think this war in Ukraine is simply setting the stage, emptying out all the conventional weapons because they are the only thing you could use after an EMP fries all your electrical equipment. It is also gathering dirt on the US in the bioweapons labs and the human trafficking. They will present this to the UN to justify the attack because they will blame the US for the pandemic and much of the human trafficking. Already Germany and France are ready to turn on the US. Either the UK also turns on them or they destroy UK with the poseidon torpedo as well.

The deal for China is they help destroy the US and they get the farmland and Taiwan. Russia and Iran get control of the Middle East.

Venezuela and Nicaragua get to live in the US and farm the land.