What are " conspiracy theorists " ?

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DragonSlayer

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That a conspiracy occurred on 11 September 2001 is a well documented fact. I don't believe that any rational man or woman could, with all the facts, accept the US government's (i.e. "official") version of this conspiracy. Such a man or woman, knowing all the facts, still accepting the US government's version, is accepting this version for reasons other than facts.

What people say are also facts - that is - it is a fact that they have said something, irregardless of whether what they say is true. Let me encourage you not to disregard witness testimony, as this was also important in the Old Testament age (albeit no one could be put to death on the testimony of only one witness, so at least 2 witnesses are encouraged to establish a matter). Look also at the eye-witness testimonies for the 911 event - numerous witnesses reported hearing explosions in the buildings - why disregard such valuable evidence?

Finally, if you believe those who say the Earth is flat are ignorant, how do you explain that on clear days, people can see further than where the curvature of the Earth should allow them to see? I don't think the bible rules out a flat Earth, and in some passages, expressions would be easier to understand were the Earth flat (e.g. Rev 6:14 "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.")

I understand your response toward this topic, as this was also my response when I first heard people even had such thoughts. But after reading some of the evidences why they believe as they do, I no longer think of them as irrational or crazy, but rather critical thinkers, or at the least, conspiracy theorists. :D
Wait, with all the facts we have in this day and age, you're saying people who believe the earth is flat are critical thinkers ?
Surely they are irrational, how could it be otherwise ? They are like people who prefer to believe in the comfortable earth-is-flat official 9-11 version ! No way those ignorant people are critical thinkers !
Come on ! If you're saying that, you could as well call people of nist critical thinkers ! It would be a joke to call 9-11 pancake theory and the likes critical thinking !
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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As I explained, there is evidence to support a flat Earth (and I agree also evidence apparently against). I don't know what Nist is (sorry!). I wouldn't call believing the 9-11 pancake theory critical thinking, because there is no evidence to support it - just lots of government paid shills! :D
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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The difference now is critical thinkers are delving into the secrets of others. So now we have a campaign to portray critical thinkers as wacky people.
conspiracy slanderists are not 'critical thinkers'...in fact they are probably less capable of critical thought than most members of society...but their grandiose delusions lead them to see themselves as 'critical thinkers'
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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That a conspiracy occurred on 11 September 2001 is a well documented fact. I don't believe that any rational man or woman could, with all the facts, accept the US government's (i.e. "official") version of this conspiracy. Such a man or woman, knowing all the facts, still accepting the US government's version, is accepting this version for reasons other than facts.

What people say are also facts - that is - it is a fact that they have said something, irregardless of whether what they say is true. Let me encourage you not to disregard witness testimony, as this was also important in the Old Testament age (albeit no one could be put to death on the testimony of only one witness, so at least 2 witnesses are encouraged to establish a matter). Look also at the eye-witness testimonies for the 911 event - numerous witnesses reported hearing explosions in the buildings - why disregard such valuable evidence?

Finally, if you believe those who say the Earth is flat are ignorant, how do you explain that on clear days, people can see further than where the curvature of the Earth should allow them to see? I don't think the bible rules out a flat Earth, and in some passages, expressions would be easier to understand were the Earth flat (e.g. Rev 6:14 "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.")

I understand your response toward this topic, as this was also my response when I first heard people even had such thoughts. But after reading some of the evidences why they believe as they do, I no longer think of them as irrational or crazy, but rather critical thinkers, or at the least, conspiracy theorists. :D
quite frankly a flat earther is in no place to be making assertions about what a 'rational man or woman' could believe about the 9/11 attacks...

though this post does show how -mentally ill- conspiracy slanderists really are...they are on the same level of delusion as the flat earthers...
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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completely off topic...a common tactic of dishonest debate is to derail the discussion by bringing up irrelevant issues as distractions...
Do you even read your own posts?

quite frankly a flat earther is in no place to be making assertions about what a 'rational man or woman' could believe about the 9/11 attacks...
If however, you want to debate based on evidence rather than insults, I would be happy to oblige.
 
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letti

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Just let it be,let them disbelieve and stay in wonderland.That's a easier concept to some people.God shows some what others will never see til he reveals it all one day,and then they will believe.The most important thing, is Christ be the most important focus we have.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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If however, you want to debate based on evidence rather than insults, I would be happy to oblige.
that would not work...neither 9/11 delusionists nor flat earthers respond to evidence...i have been on this merry go round before...
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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that would not work...neither 9/11 delusionists nor flat earthers respond to evidence...i have been on this merry go round before...
So you don't want to debate based on evidence, but you insist on maintaining the insults? Another tactic of dishonest debate is to insult the one presenting the evidence, leaving the evidence itself unaddressed. :D
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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So you don't want to debate based on evidence, but you insist on maintaining the insults? Another tactic of dishonest debate is to insult the one presenting the evidence, leaving the evidence itself unaddressed. :D
i have already debated this stuff based on evidence...look through the old forum posts and get caught up...

my interest in reinventing the wheel and debating settled issues yet again decreases incrementally every time these conspiracy theories come up...
 

zone

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So you don't want to debate based on evidence, but you insist on maintaining the insults? Another tactic of dishonest debate is to insult the one presenting the evidence, leaving the evidence itself unaddressed. :D
debate? LOL. the poster is unable to debate anything. or prove anything, except using the rubbish explanation(s) by the criminals who perpetrated it.

if you suggest anything other than the NIST story, you're antisemitic (and whatnot).

the poster claims to have debunked 'through science' *cough* 911 as an inside job.
the poster believes themselves to be a rational person *chuckle*



the poster is apparently more educated and informed than 1700 architects and engineers; first responders; hundreds of related scientists....and has a credible theory for the free-fall of building 7 which was not struck by a plane, but defied the laws of gravity - due to being hit by some debris and some fires inside:rolleyes: - something like that.

anyone who doubts the poster's official story is a lizard-loving-new-age-zeitgeist-zombie.

not to mention, that's unamerican.

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Freefall and Building 7 on 9/11

WTC7 exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire:

Slow onset with large visible deformations
Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, to the side most damaged by the fires)
Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel
High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never collapsed



As seen in this revealing photo, the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all of the characteristics of destruction by explosives:

Destruction proceeds through the path of greatest resistance at nearly free-fall acceleration
Improbable symmetry of debris distribution
Extremely rapid onset of destruction
Over 100 first responders reported explosions and flashes
Multi-ton steel sections ejected laterally
Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete & metal decking
Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic-like clouds
1200-foot-diameter debris field: no "pancaked" floors found
Isolated explosive ejections 20–40 stories below demolition front
Total building destruction: dismemberment of steel frame
Several tons of molten metal found under all 3 high-rises
Evidence of thermite incendiaries found by FEMA in steel samples
Evidence of explosives found in dust samples

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a five year old can look at those towers and see free fall of dust...just dust.
pulverized steel and concrete.
caused by a plane crashing into it.

uh-huh.
dat's right.


yup....a plane did this:



not once, but twice.
then there`s that demolition of 7 - which had all those interesting documents in it.
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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debate? LOL. the poster is unable to debate anything. or prove anything, except using the rubbish explanation(s) by the criminals who perpetrated it.
I still don't know what NIST is (was it the official whitewash "investigation"?), but I love that (Bin Laden's Mountain) poster. It reminds me of those science fiction comics I used to read as a kid! With the high tech heros and villains. Totally unrealistic, but fun for a read. :D
 

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I still don't know what NIST is (was it the official whitewash "investigation"?), but I love that (Bin Laden's Mountain) poster. It reminds me of those science fiction comics I used to read as a kid! With the high tech heros and villains. Totally unrealistic, but fun for a read. :D
[video=youtube;sEJe5l_ELSA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJe5l_ELSA[/video]

Rumsfeld: Bin Laden's Mountain Fortress's



- its a very a sophisticated operation...

- òh you bet....this is serious business....and theres not one of those...there are many of those:rolleyes:

hahahahahahahahaha:cool:
 

zone

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I still don't know what NIST is (was it the official whitewash "investigation"?), but I love that (Bin Laden's Mountain) poster. It reminds me of those science fiction comics I used to read as a kid! With the high tech heros and villains. Totally unrealistic, but fun for a read. :D
when you run across someone who consistently and vehemently denies, say, a conspiracy BY THE HOMELAND to do 911 as a false flag pretext for perpetual ME war....that person has no viable story (or proof for that matter, consequently can not and does not offer it) concerning the shockingly successful conspiracy theory that the job was carried out by 19 radical jihadis (many of whom are still alive - LOL), and none have been found guilty. possibly the CIA asset who got waterboarded 6 million times. in fact, they`ve had name changes several times (by the press)...and have been dropped from the narrative altogether.

no trials for the conspirators, no one brought to justice. NOT ONE.

in fact, they walk around freely; giving $30,000 per speeches; appearing on Piers Morgan; running again for the highest offices in the land....saying how they got faulty intelligence.

stuff like that.
uh-huh.

then there are the NY police radio transcripts from 911 -they kept reporting seeing Urban Moving Systems van(s) - one with a MURAL OF THE NY SKYLINE, with a Plane headed directly for the towers.

another stopped by the cops, found to have traces of explosives...being driven by Israelis.

you can not make this stuff up.
 
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zone

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i wonder why ppl dont know what a non-military coup looks like.
oh well. incremental....who noticed:rolleyes:
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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i wonder why ppl dont know what a non-military coup looks like.
oh well. incremental....who noticed:rolleyes:
Its tragic. And even now, they're still too busy watching TV to notice. Although that being said, I think there are far more people today who accept what has happened and is happening, than did 10 years ago. Sometimes these things take time to digest. Some people are easily persuaded when they see the truth, others wait until they're one of the few left believing the old, worn-out lies, before letting them go.

I have to say, probably 5 years ago, I was just like Rach. Totally brain-washed, all into this Zio-war thing. Not that I really agreed with wars of aggression, but I was convinced those evil Muslims would attack Israel. I was ranting to some Christian leader I respected about the Muslims, and he told me that this thing was all an inside job, I thought he was mad. I watched a video that made sense (Loose Change, I think), but had to research further. After a few days of solid research (details easily available online), talking to a civil engineer, etc., etc., I started to realise it was all a big conspiracy. And since then, I've found so much (maybe all!) of what we're taught is wrong.

The other thing I realised after this was, when I first saw the towers collapse on TV, I really did feel like it was a scripted movie. But of course, because the movie was on "the news", I knew it must be real - that subconscious feeling that told me something wasn't fully true or right got over-ridden by the power and prestige of the media. I know better today.
 
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letti

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Many people don't want to know the truth.Conspiracy theorists are just paranoid weirdos!Let's mock them cause we are the sane ones.No not everything is a conspiracy but some things are.:)
 
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letti

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Some people are blind and some have graduated to bifocals.Those with 20/20 vision are truly insane.