What is "the Big Lie"?
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Museums of Archaeology and anthropology do take "artistic"" liberties with what they have in their collections. There are lots of dishonest scientists and professors. I've called them out since college.
However I have seen complete dinosaurs in the beds that were removed in tact from the ground.
There are lots of sources of large dinosaurs in ancient artwork too. We don't have to rely on paleontologists or archaeology from fossils/ petrified bones. There are now bones discovered containing blood cells.
The strongest evidence for dinosaurs is the Bible. I disagree with the video comment at the beginning concerning this. Dinosaurs are described in more details than any other creature and that by God Himself.
However I have seen complete dinosaurs in the beds that were removed in tact from the ground.
There are lots of sources of large dinosaurs in ancient artwork too. We don't have to rely on paleontologists or archaeology from fossils/ petrified bones. There are now bones discovered containing blood cells.
The strongest evidence for dinosaurs is the Bible. I disagree with the video comment at the beginning concerning this. Dinosaurs are described in more details than any other creature and that by God Himself.
@Zandar ,
There's a preacher that died over a decade ago that had a huge following. I admired his Bible knowledge and preaching. I listened to his sermons on cassettes as a teenager. He had a couple views that I couldn't agree on.
He taught for a while that the Devil made dinosaur bones and planted them around the world to try to discredit God.
He also taught, probably at another time, that iguanas and lizards common today could grow to be as large as a Tyrannosaurus Rex if they lived long enough.
I don't believe either theory. I believe that God created dinosaurs of all kinds with Adam. They are simply extinct reptiles. There are lots of extinct animals besides reptiles, but the reptiles are assigned ridiculously old ages by dishonest scientists and text book authors. This goes to show that you can't trust them any more than a used car salesman. BTW, I used to know an honest used car salesman. There's are honest scientists too. You can find them in the creation research ministries and associations.
There's a preacher that died over a decade ago that had a huge following. I admired his Bible knowledge and preaching. I listened to his sermons on cassettes as a teenager. He had a couple views that I couldn't agree on.
He taught for a while that the Devil made dinosaur bones and planted them around the world to try to discredit God.
He also taught, probably at another time, that iguanas and lizards common today could grow to be as large as a Tyrannosaurus Rex if they lived long enough.
I don't believe either theory. I believe that God created dinosaurs of all kinds with Adam. They are simply extinct reptiles. There are lots of extinct animals besides reptiles, but the reptiles are assigned ridiculously old ages by dishonest scientists and text book authors. This goes to show that you can't trust them any more than a used car salesman. BTW, I used to know an honest used car salesman. There's are honest scientists too. You can find them in the creation research ministries and associations.
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That makes more sense than any of the religion of evolutionism espouses or the ones that I heard about and mentioned that were spread to many Bible college students.
I agree with you. I think that the cooling of the earth from the water and the new seasonal climate made it difficult for lots of animals to thrive and reproduce. On top of that, what animals would be killed to extinction by humans? Probably those that posed the most threat or at least the impression of such. In areas of high population, a simple rat snake can't live long enough to get much longer than 5'. They are harmless to people and great mousers. People choose to encourage pest overpopulation by killing off all their best predators out of fear.
The largest lizards that remain are confined to a couple of Indonesian islands. Even north American crocodilians were in danger of extinction. Although relatively cold tolerant, the American Alligator's range is confined to southern states. If they were extinct, those in academia and fossil hunters would call them dinosaurs and put a 12 million year age on them.
I agree with you. I think that the cooling of the earth from the water and the new seasonal climate made it difficult for lots of animals to thrive and reproduce. On top of that, what animals would be killed to extinction by humans? Probably those that posed the most threat or at least the impression of such. In areas of high population, a simple rat snake can't live long enough to get much longer than 5'. They are harmless to people and great mousers. People choose to encourage pest overpopulation by killing off all their best predators out of fear.
The largest lizards that remain are confined to a couple of Indonesian islands. Even north American crocodilians were in danger of extinction. Although relatively cold tolerant, the American Alligator's range is confined to southern states. If they were extinct, those in academia and fossil hunters would call them dinosaurs and put a 12 million year age on them.
Yes, I believe subterranean water flushed a lot of sea creatures up and many settled on mountains.
What gets me is how teachers misinform students that it takes millions of years for fossils to form. They call it science, like Fauci, but their hypothesis has no semblance of the scientific method.
What gets me is how teachers misinform students that it takes millions of years for fossils to form. They call it science, like Fauci, but their hypothesis has no semblance of the scientific method.
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That's an interesting bit of history that three men had upon billions of people until today. You know I was also raised under the teachings of those men because I attended the system since I was a preschooler taking dinosaur books and doing book reports from that young age.
After I trusted Christ to save me from hell, I read the Bible. It didn't take long to realize that I was wrong about dinosaurs, darwinism (Huxley)evolution. I repented, that is changed my mind after considering whether or not the Old Testament was God's true Word. I then taught about the Creator once I became familiar enough with Him.
Genesis 1
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
The biblical perspective is that there are distinct kinds. Within those kinds, we observe genetic variation. There are many breeds of cattle, but they are the same kind of creatures.
After I trusted Christ to save me from hell, I read the Bible. It didn't take long to realize that I was wrong about dinosaurs, darwinism (Huxley)evolution. I repented, that is changed my mind after considering whether or not the Old Testament was God's true Word. I then taught about the Creator once I became familiar enough with Him.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
The biblical perspective is that there are distinct kinds. Within those kinds, we observe genetic variation. There are many breeds of cattle, but they are the same kind of creatures.
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That's an excellent example!
A creation museum or individual would like to display that to help others to see that God's Word is true.
Your relatives surely would be blessed.
In the right conditions where minerals are high and oxidation low or pressure high, wood can petrify quickly.
I have a section of petrified root from an extinct tree from my state. I've shown it to public schools.
Plant leaves decompose quickly, but we have an unlimited number of examples with details of their impressions in fossils.
A creation museum or individual would like to display that to help others to see that God's Word is true.
Your relatives surely would be blessed.
In the right conditions where minerals are high and oxidation low or pressure high, wood can petrify quickly.
I have a section of petrified root from an extinct tree from my state. I've shown it to public schools.
Plant leaves decompose quickly, but we have an unlimited number of examples with details of their impressions in fossils.
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That would not make sense to me.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The context is the revealing of the wicked after the restrainer steps aside. I understand the restrainer stepping aside as a reference to the Holy Spirit and all the spirit filled believers. Jesus' ministry began with the Holy Spirit descending upon Him as He was baptized by John the Baptist. I think the counterfeit Christ's ministry will begin with the rapture as the Holy Spirit returns to heaven with the spirit filled believers. That is when the strong delusion is sent by God. Not Darwin. So I see it as an explanation for the rapture that says the Christians were the troublemakers that have been removed from the earth.
This would align with the first time the word was used in Matthew. They came up with a story to explain Jesus' resurrection from the grave (Matthew 27:64).
Then you have Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; G4106
I think Satan and the fallen angels are lying in wait to deceive after the rapture.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The context is the revealing of the wicked after the restrainer steps aside. I understand the restrainer stepping aside as a reference to the Holy Spirit and all the spirit filled believers. Jesus' ministry began with the Holy Spirit descending upon Him as He was baptized by John the Baptist. I think the counterfeit Christ's ministry will begin with the rapture as the Holy Spirit returns to heaven with the spirit filled believers. That is when the strong delusion is sent by God. Not Darwin. So I see it as an explanation for the rapture that says the Christians were the troublemakers that have been removed from the earth.
This would align with the first time the word was used in Matthew. They came up with a story to explain Jesus' resurrection from the grave (Matthew 27:64).
Then you have Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; G4106
I think Satan and the fallen angels are lying in wait to deceive after the rapture.
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Satan is a servant of God. The Bible is a love story, Jesus wants a bride that loves him absolutely and will give themselves to Him as He gave Himself for us. Satan is given permission to tempt people to find out if they are in fact true to the Lord. The Bible says that God "searches the hearts", well this is but one of the ways in which He does it.
Jesus dying on the cross is the best evidence we have that He loves us. Well He said very clearly if you are going to follow Him you need to take up your cross. You can never truly take up your cross without someone to slander you, falsely accuse you, have a monkey trial and then crucify you. Satan is not performative, he knows what his destiny is and desperately wants to take as many with him as he can to hell.
Jesus dying on the cross is the best evidence we have that He loves us. Well He said very clearly if you are going to follow Him you need to take up your cross. You can never truly take up your cross without someone to slander you, falsely accuse you, have a monkey trial and then crucify you. Satan is not performative, he knows what his destiny is and desperately wants to take as many with him as he can to hell.
No, Satan is a fallen angel who was, before he was a fallen angel, a righteous servant of God. Just as are all of the god-honoring angels. But Satan found sin in his heart and tested God to rebel against His ultimate authority and God set him in his place until his destruction which has been established. Being a servant of God would imply that he will do what God wants. I'm pretty sure that Satan isn't doing what God wants. I mean, how fair would that be if God intentionally set Satan upon us. If we would have remained sinless and Satan would have never visited the earth, then we'd still be living in paradise. You think God told him to do that?
That would just seem to be cruel of someone to take people who would have been good and then set them the test that if they failed they would then live a life of strife and struggle and need and pain and suffering. No, I don't think God sent Satan to mankind as some sort of test that they failed. Satan came here all on his own against God's will. He spoke with the new creature that God had created and convinced her withing minutes to defy God. Satan is not God's servant. Although, if you want to consider him like Nebudchudnezzer, a sword of the Lord, I suppose one might make that stretch. But Israel had done evil before God sent Nebbie to overrun their cities for their defiance. Eve had done no evil before Satan spoke with her.
I absolutely agree, friend. I would add however, that Jesus' righteous measurement of love for him, per his own words, was obedience to his commands.
No, that only happened with Job because Job was a righteous man and he knew that he shouldn't mess with him without God's permission. God knew Job was a righteous man and when Satan again defied God and said, "Let troubles fall on him and see if he doesn't curse God?" (Ted paraphrase version) So, God told him. Ok, I'll let you at him. You can do anything within your power to seduce him to curse me, except to take his life. Then we are treated to one of the greatest, if not the greatest short duration dialogue between God and any man that we have read about to this point. Job is so amazing that he is sitting around with his friends bemoaning his lot and that it must have been caused by some great sin in his life, and God just speaks to them and sets them straight on the matter.
But that's the only time we hear of Satan having to ask permission to come after any of us. And he seemed to be running pretty wild when Jesus was here.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with that outcome being the truth all the time. Sure, do we run into people who might swear at us, or tell us to get lost? Sure. But I've shared the good news with people and that is more the exception than the rule... if you're doing it right. You can't be confrontational, and unless you're some big evangelical outfit, it's just going to be you and a friend or acquantance or two. And one of the things that one must be really sensitive to is that the Scriptures tell us to be prepared to give an answer for the hope that we have... when asked. So, someone should be careful and respectful to bring it up unasked.
That would just seem to be cruel of someone to take people who would have been good and then set them the test that if they failed they would then live a life of strife and struggle and need and pain and suffering. No, I don't think God sent Satan to mankind as some sort of test that they failed. Satan came here all on his own against God's will. He spoke with the new creature that God had created and convinced her withing minutes to defy God. Satan is not God's servant. Although, if you want to consider him like Nebudchudnezzer, a sword of the Lord, I suppose one might make that stretch. But Israel had done evil before God sent Nebbie to overrun their cities for their defiance. Eve had done no evil before Satan spoke with her.
I absolutely agree, friend. I would add however, that Jesus' righteous measurement of love for him, per his own words, was obedience to his commands.
No, that only happened with Job because Job was a righteous man and he knew that he shouldn't mess with him without God's permission. God knew Job was a righteous man and when Satan again defied God and said, "Let troubles fall on him and see if he doesn't curse God?" (Ted paraphrase version) So, God told him. Ok, I'll let you at him. You can do anything within your power to seduce him to curse me, except to take his life. Then we are treated to one of the greatest, if not the greatest short duration dialogue between God and any man that we have read about to this point. Job is so amazing that he is sitting around with his friends bemoaning his lot and that it must have been caused by some great sin in his life, and God just speaks to them and sets them straight on the matter.
But that's the only time we hear of Satan having to ask permission to come after any of us. And he seemed to be running pretty wild when Jesus was here.
I'm sorry, but I disagree with that outcome being the truth all the time. Sure, do we run into people who might swear at us, or tell us to get lost? Sure. But I've shared the good news with people and that is more the exception than the rule... if you're doing it right. You can't be confrontational, and unless you're some big evangelical outfit, it's just going to be you and a friend or acquantance or two. And one of the things that one must be really sensitive to is that the Scriptures tell us to be prepared to give an answer for the hope that we have... when asked. So, someone should be careful and respectful to bring it up unasked.
Hi @ZNP
Sorry, I hit enter by mistake.
But you want to try to find a way to get into a conversation with them where you lead them to ask you. "Well, what do think happens to us when we die?"
No argument there. But he is not doing it by some permission of God, other than God does allow him to still exist.
God bless you,
Ted
Sorry, I hit enter by mistake.
But you want to try to find a way to get into a conversation with them where you lead them to ask you. "Well, what do think happens to us when we die?"
No argument there. But he is not doing it by some permission of God, other than God does allow him to still exist.
God bless you,
Ted