What would it take to "drain the swamp"?

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Redwood

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The words “drain the swamp” are a part of the current political discussion. We may not all agree on what this proverbial “swamp” is. According to my understanding, it means getting rid of politicians and bureaucrats who are doing more harm than good.

A Democrat may think that Republicans are the “swamp”. Republicans may think that Democrats are the “swamp”.

Are “swamps” exclusive to the American political situation?

It seems that there is something wrong with the political situation that exists south of the American borders where drug cartels, human traffickers,gang members, and corruption seems to have its way without any real system of checks and balances. So, many of us do not want the Mexican “swamp” to become integrated with the American swamp.

China has its form of oppression and human exploitation that is used to promote unfair international trade practices. China has a big time “swamp” that has been confronted by our current president.

Russia is ruled by an oligarchy with a bunch of cronies in their “swamp”.

There are numerous examples.

Are there cultural factors that accompany the creation of a swamp? Are there moral factors that accompany the creation of a swamp? Are there spiritual factors that accompany the creation of a swamp? Can the definition of "swamp" be expanded to include a variety of scenarios?

In the Bible, we find various cultures that were eliminated because of an entire society that had forgotten about God.

The world was flooded during the time of Noah because of rampant immorality. A “swamp” was wiped out by a flood.

The Tower of Babel was destroyed because the entire population of the earth was consumed with the desire to build a man made utopia that excluded God. Perhaps the “swamp” of secular humanism that existed at Babel did not get drained, but it did get scattered.

Sodom was destroyed due to sexual immorality and rampant homosexuality. The “swamp” of Sodom and Gamorrah had become intolerable to the Lord.

God told Joshua to exterminate the Canaanites; who were sacrificing their children to idols. The Lord did not want His chosen people to inhabit a swamp that was polluted with idols and the shedding of innocent blood that accompanied the worship of these idols.

Are there cultural, societal, and political equivalents to Babel, Sodom, and Canaan in the world (and in our country) today? Absolutely.

It seems evident to me that a number of “swamps” got drained in Old Testament times.

It is also apparent that every swamp (political, societal, and cultural) in this world will be drained when Jesus returns to rule and reign. This series of events will be cataclysmic. Many will not survive and even the topography of the earth will be altered.

In the meantime, what can we do now, in this day and age, to drain a bunch of political, cultural, and societal “swamps” that are an unfortunate part of our existence?

I don’t know the answers to this question. I suppose that we can all endeavor to be informed and to be a part of the solution as opposed to being a part of the problem.

Don’t be a creature of the “swamp”.
 

1christian1

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The words “drain the swamp” are a part of the current political discussion. We may not all agree on what this proverbial “swamp” is. According to my understanding, it means getting rid of politicians and bureaucrats who are doing more harm than good.

A Democrat may think that Republicans are the “swamp”. Republicans may think that Democrats are the “swamp”.

Are “swamps” exclusive to the American political situation?

It seems that there is something wrong with the political situation that exists south of the American borders where drug cartels, human traffickers,gang members, and corruption seems to have its way without any real system of checks and balances. So, many of us do not want the Mexican “swamp” to become integrated with the American swamp.

China has its form of oppression and human exploitation that is used to promote unfair international trade practices. China has a big time “swamp” that has been confronted by our current president.

Russia is ruled by an oligarchy with a bunch of cronies in their “swamp”.

There are numerous examples.

Are there cultural factors that accompany the creation of a swamp? Are there moral factors that accompany the creation of a swamp? Are there spiritual factors that accompany the creation of a swamp? Can the definition of "swamp" be expanded to include a variety of scenarios?

In the Bible, we find various cultures that were eliminated because of an entire society that had forgotten about God.

The world was flooded during the time of Noah because of rampant immorality. A “swamp” was wiped out by a flood.

The Tower of Babel was destroyed because the entire population of the earth was consumed with the desire to build a man made utopia that excluded God. Perhaps the “swamp” of secular humanism that existed at Babel did not get drained, but it did get scattered.

Sodom was destroyed due to sexual immorality and rampant homosexuality. The “swamp” of Sodom and Gamorrah had become intolerable to the Lord.

God told Joshua to exterminate the Canaanites; who were sacrificing their children to idols. The Lord did not want His chosen people to inhabit a swamp that was polluted with idols and the shedding of innocent blood that accompanied the worship of these idols.

Are there cultural, societal, and political equivalents to Babel, Sodom, and Canaan in the world (and in our country) today? Absolutely.

It seems evident to me that a number of “swamps” got drained in Old Testament times.

It is also apparent that every swamp (political, societal, and cultural) in this world will be drained when Jesus returns to rule and reign. This series of events will be cataclysmic. Many will not survive and even the topography of the earth will be altered.

In the meantime, what can we do now, in this day and age, to drain a bunch of political, cultural, and societal “swamps” that are an unfortunate part of our existence?

I don’t know the answers to this question. I suppose that we can all endeavor to be informed and to be a part of the solution as opposed to being a part of the problem.

Don’t be a creature of the “swamp”.
Ironically the "swamp" has been drained. Every single person involved with Trump has been arrested... Good thing. Right? Maybe after he is gone things will get back to semi normal... Grown ups truly have to get back in charge...
 

Redwood

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Who are the “grown ups” that you are referring to? Pelosi and Schumer and their DNC colleagues?
 

Odelschwanck

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I don't know but whatever it is we're a long ways away from doing it. Gets worse every day probably.

Ironically the "swamp" has been drained. Every single person involved with Trump has been arrested... Good thing. Right? Maybe after he is gone things will get back to semi normal... Grown ups truly have to get back in charge...
Maybe I'm reading wrong, but you do know government corruption existed before Trump right? :confused:
 

1christian1

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Ironically the "swamp" has been drained. Every single person involved with Trump has been arrested... Good thing. Right? Maybe after he is gone things will get back to semi normal... Grown ups truly have to get back in charge...
And what is it exactly that you disagree with Odelschwanck? And what's with all the sad faces??? LOL...
 

1christian1

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I don't know but whatever it is we're a long ways away from doing it. Gets worse every day probably.



Maybe I'm reading wrong, but you do know government corruption existed before Trump right? :confused:
There has never been a time in our history that a President has tried to sell our country for a hotel. Please don't try to compare Trump to Nixon. Nixon was an intelligent man.
 

RickyZ

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We will drain the swamp when we start electing third party candidates and get the elephants and donkeys out of there!

(PS It ain't going to happen)
 

1christian1

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We will drain the swamp when we start electing third party candidates and get the elephants and donkeys out of there!

(PS It ain't going to happen)

We don't need third party candidates. Just younger minds, Life has changed in so many ways since I was in my 30's... I guess I'm going to have to adjust. My generation was great though!!! Think we got a lot accomplished in our day. I hope that it continues. The future is here... LOL...
 

RickyZ

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We don't need third party candidates. Just younger minds, Life has changed in so many ways since I was in my 30's... I guess I'm going to have to adjust. My generation was great though!!! Think we got a lot accomplished in our day. I hope that it continues. The future is here... LOL...
Actually, we were told thousands of years ago where the world is headed, and it's naive of us to think it's going to get there being led by a succession of righteous leaders.
 

Redwood

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Seems to me that there are multiple components to the “swamp”. Politics is only one component to a swamp that has been around for thousands of years. That is what I wanted to convey in the OP.
 

Odelschwanck

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There has never been a time in our history that a President has tried to sell our country for a hotel.
That's a new one for me. But I'm sure you have a reason to believe that so fair enough.

Please don't try to compare Trump to Nixon. Nixon was an intelligent man.
I actually hadn't thought of Nixon, I just meant in general corrupt politicians existed before Trump and corrupt policies such as slavery and segregation go all the way back to the country's beginning.
 

Redwood

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There have always been “swamps” of one kind or another (slavery, segregation, watergate, etc. ). ...or maybe I should not have used the word “swamp” at all when I composed the OP. Maybe I should have used the word quagmire. Seems that the point I was trying to make is misunderstood, did not intend to start a Trump thread
 

calibob

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There have always been “swamps” of one kind or another (slavery, segregation, watergate, etc. ). ...or maybe I should not have used the word “swamp” at all when I composed the OP. Maybe I should have used the word quagmire. Seems that the point I was trying to make is misunderstood, did not intend to start a Trump thread
Stop allowing lobbyists on the hill and hang crooked politicians! Not metaphorically but by the neck till dead.
 

calibob

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And since they'll be handling OUR MONEY make bankruptcy a disqualifier.
 

UnderGrace

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The swamp is being drained daily.........pay attention.