Why aren't Christians supporting Ron DeSantis en masse?

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iamsoandso

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I think you are correct > it is a no brainer ....The problem is .....those who want Trump do have brains.

I do think Ron is a good governor and has done a decent job in FL. But he does not connect with the people and the polls show it.
Despite Trumps past ...which I could care less about ....as mine is far worse... so, I judge no one on their past. But Trump has a proven track record.

Is He flawed ....yup ...we all are... And I don't know what his spiritual beliefs are, but I do know he has done more for Christianity than many presidents of the past. He loves America ...maybe even more than he loves himself ....And this time he would not be going in with any misconceptions of how things work....

We know it's a spiritual battle ....how Trump sees it ....I don't know ...but he is a fighter willing to take it on again. So he has my vote and my prayers.

DT's Methodist Episcopal he said the big influence in his life was Norman Vincent Peale but if you search "Norman Vincent Peale Donald Trump" it will all pop up...
 
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Gojira

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Trumps the only one who has proven He has a large enough set of low hanging fruit to be able to stand up to corrupt bureaucrats in Washington D.C. and the rest of the World.
AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYMEN!!
 

DRobinson

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DT's Methodist Episcopal he said the big influence in his life was Norman Vincent Peale but if you search "Norman Vincent Peale Donald Trump" it will all pop up...
If DT believes as this person does, that may prove he is not a Christian. He may believe he is, but only God knows.
I said in 2016 I had never seen any evidence in his life that he was saved.
Still have not any evidence.
Just the opposite.
I know those who support him will continue no matter what, but I never have and never will.
Sad that this country has reached the time that we have such a poor choice.
 

ZNP

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If DT believes as this person does, that may prove he is not a Christian. He may believe he is, but only God knows.
I said in 2016 I had never seen any evidence in his life that he was saved.
Still have not any evidence.
Just the opposite.
I know those who support him will continue no matter what, but I never have and never will.
Sad that this country has reached the time that we have such a poor choice.
The people telling us how terrible Trump is are worthless shepherds that have no credibility. That is why the more hate they show to Trump the more popular he becomes. Many people may not know what to think about Trump but they do know what to think about CNN, MSNBC and Biden. As long as those ones oppose Trump you know the majority of people will choose him. That is the problem with lying to people and losing all credibility.

Right now many people don't know who to trust, but they do know who not to trust.
 

iamsoandso

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The people telling us how terrible Trump is are worthless shepherds that have no credibility. That is why the more hate they show to Trump the more popular he becomes. Many people may not know what to think about Trump but they do know what to think about CNN, MSNBC and Biden. As long as those ones oppose Trump you know the majority of people will choose him. That is the problem with lying to people and losing all credibility.

Right now many people don't know who to trust, but they do know who not to trust.

PS Trump said what he did about N.V. Peale being the biggest influence in his life (I was quoting Donald Trump)...
 

ZNP

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PS Trump said what he did about N.V. Peale being the biggest influence in his life (I was quoting Donald Trump)...
I think the evidence is in that Trump tower is a temple of Baal. He is clearly a Freemason with the hand signals. I have said this many times and he has too, he is not coming as a savior, he is coming for retribution. I see this as two mafiosa families gunning it out with each other.
 

ZNP

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I think the evidence is in that Trump tower is a temple of Baal. He is clearly a Freemason with the hand signals. I have said this many times and he has too, he is not coming as a savior, he is coming for retribution. I see this as two mafiosa families gunning it out with each other.
 

DRobinson

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The people telling us how terrible Trump is are worthless shepherds that have no credibility. That is why the more hate they show to Trump the more popular he becomes. Many people may not know what to think about Trump but they do know what to think about CNN, MSNBC and Biden. As long as those ones oppose Trump you know the majority of people will choose him. That is the problem with lying to people and losing all credibility.

Right now many people don't know who to trust, but they do know who not to trust.
So I am a WORTHLESS SHEPHERD, lie to people, and have no credibility because I expressed my opinion!!!
Best no one disagree with you or else!!!
 

ZNP

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So I am a WORTHLESS SHEPHERD, lie to people, and have no credibility because I expressed my opinion!!!
Best no one disagree with you or else!!!
I am referring to Biden, CNN and MSNBC. To my knowledge you are not a shepherd of the American people
 

DRobinson

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I am referring to Biden, CNN and MSNBC. To my knowledge you are not a shepherd of the American people
Guess I misunderstood.
Since you quo
 
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Iowa selected both Cruz and Santorum, the Social Conservative Candidates. I'd be surprised if Iowa doesn't select DeSantis this time. And once it does, he'll gain tremendous momentum going into other States, and he has better resume for the rest.
 

Cameron143

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Iowa selected both Cruz and Santorum, the Social Conservative Candidates. I'd be surprised if Iowa doesn't select DeSantis this time. And once it does, he'll gain tremendous momentum going into other States, and he has better resume for the rest.
I'd bet dollars to donuts he won't win Iowa. Your facts are correct. The electorate is different.
 
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Hmm.

But how is it, possible, Cameron, that the Iowa Electorate has changed so substantially in just 8 or 12 years since Cruz and Santorum respective won the caucuses there? Bob Vander Plaats has endorsed DeSantis this time around, and he endorsed Cruz and Santorum that time, and they won. Also, Iowa Governor - Pro-Life Christian who signed her own 6 week Heartbeat Bill - has endorsed Pro-Life Governor Ron DeSantis, who also signed a 6 week Heartbeat bill, and that's never happened before. On paper, indeed, everything looks perfect for a DeSantis victory. So, if I were a betting man, I'd take that bet. But yeah, it could be, just as Churchill said, that some voters don't go by these more objective metrics but by something subjective.

For me, it's simple: If you say you're Christian or Pro-Life, then you should vote for the Most Pro-Life Candidate.
One Candidate signed 6 week Heartbeat Bills. Another Candidate attacked 6 week Heartbeat bills as "a terrible thing".

It just doesn't get more easy than that. Easy Choice. I predict, when DeSantis becomes President, forget Kennedy or Reagan, by the end of his First Term as President DeSantis, the comparisons with Lincoln and Washington will come. DeSantis is special. He is the man raised up by God to seal the Victory over the Pro-Death Abortionist Cult with 3 to 4 SC Justices in 8 yrs.
 

Cameron143

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Hmm.

But how is it, possible, Cameron, that the Iowa Electorate has changed so substantially in just 8 or 12 years since Cruz and Santorum respective won the caucuses there? Bob Vander Plaats has endorsed DeSantis this time around, and he endorsed Cruz and Santorum that time, and they won. Also, Iowa Governor - Pro-Life Christian who signed her own 6 week Heartbeat Bill - has endorsed Pro-Life Governor Ron DeSantis, who also signed a 6 week Heartbeat bill, and that's never happened before. On paper, indeed, everything looks perfect for a DeSantis victory. So, if I were a betting man, I'd take that bet. But yeah, it could be, just as Churchill said, that some voters don't go by these more objective metrics but by something subjective.

For me, it's simple: If you say you're Christian or Pro-Life, then you should vote for the Most Pro-Life Candidate.
One Candidate signed 6 week Heartbeat Bills. Another Candidate attacked 6 week Heartbeat bills as "a terrible thing".

It just doesn't get more easy than that. Easy Choice. I predict, when DeSantis becomes President, forget Kennedy or Reagan, by the end of his First Term as President DeSantis, the comparisons with Lincoln and Washington will come. DeSantis is special. He is the man raised up by God to seal the Victory over the Pro-Death Abortionist Cult with 3 to 4 SC Justices in 8 yrs.
You are preaching to the choir here. I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. What I should have said is that conditions have changed. There has seldom been elections where a former president has run. Also, Cruz was either slightly ahead or behind, but the margins were close. They aren't this time. And mostly, Trump has one of the most loyal voting blocs I have ever seen. He's Teflon. Nothing sticks.
 
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Good to know, Cameron. Let's wait until the DeSantis-Haley debate. I think Vivek and Christie would drop out soon after, and thus we could be down to a 3 person race, and then a 2 man race in a matter of weeks.

And in a 2 man race, DeSantis will crush Trump as he crushed Newsom. And Trump knows that, and that's why he encouraged Nikki to run and is considering her for VP. he benefits from the crowded field.
 

Cameron143

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Good to know, Cameron. Let's wait until the DeSantis-Haley debate. I think Vivek and Christie would drop out soon after, and thus we could be down to a 3 person race, and then a 2 man race in a matter of weeks.

And in a 2 man race, DeSantis will crush Trump as he crushed Newsom. And Trump knows that, and that's why he encouraged Nikki to run and is considering her for VP. he benefits from the crowded field.
Trump isn't considering Haley as VP. And I appreciate your enthusiasm, but my prediction is Trump easily and the race over after Super Tuesday. But we'll see.
 
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Gojira

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Trump isn't considering Haley as VP. And I appreciate your enthusiasm, but my prediction is Trump easily and the race over after Super Tuesday. But we'll see.
I do hope you're right, but we've had favorable predictions now over the past two election cycles, and neither worked out the way we wanted.