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Very important questions to answer:
When did / does the abomination of desolation occur? ( <<< Click )
When is 'the times of the Gentiles'? ( <<< Click )
Answer these properly and many things will "fall into place"...
What does scripture actually say...???
"What think ye?"
“The Times of the Gentiles,” mentioned in Luke 21v24 (with Rev 11v1,2), take a long time to be fulfilled. They are the periods of time during which God has allowed many different nations to have empires, and to exercise authority and power over a period of many years. This has been a long-term purpose of God and has already lasted several millenniums. These “Times of the Gentiles,” probably started at the Babylonian captivity, when God's purposes for Israel had been frustrated by their sin; and Christ said that these Gentile times will continue right up to His second coming (Dan 2v31-45). During all this time, Jerusalem has only known temporary periods of freedom from foreign rule, like the one she is at present enjoying, and even now her sacred Temple area has the Mosque upon it, which was built by Caliph Omar in the 7th century, and so it is being “trodden down of the Gentiles,” (“pateo” (Strong NT:3961), to trample underfoot, and treat with contempt) and it appears will continue to be so trodden under, “until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” These Gentile times are designed to expose the hearts of men and break their pride. On judgement day “every mouth will be stopped, and all the world will become guilty before God,” not only by the exposure of personal sin, but also by the exposure of national sin. The wickedness and misuse of power of every nation, and their failure to rule justly, righteously and in love, will be exposed and revealed to all. Rom 3v19. Luke probably had “The Times of the Gentiles” explained to him by his companion Paul, who had these things revealed to him by our Lord. Gal 1v11,12, Eph 3v1-8.
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NOPE ---- right now I am pondering my conclusions and questions from [my 'study' threads] - which, apparently, no one (other than me) wants to even consider "sinking their teeth into" - just them and their Bible - without having to refer to some other website featuring some other person and their teachings...
Doesn't anyone around here actually do their own studying?
Isn't anyone able to come to a conclusion of / on their own?
Don't really feel like "sharpening iron"...??? ( mine / yours )
Why is there a severe lack of interest...???
Is it 'fear'? ("What if it is true?")
Can't handle the ramifications?
Can't focus on finding a direct answer to a specific question?
Not going to consider anything you cannot refute with scripture?
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"I am just trying to get you to stop 'playing your tape' [SUP]*[/SUP] and think for yourself..."
* : "playing your tape" is a familiar phrase in psychology circles of the past (I do not know if it is still being used today.) -- which refers to a person's inability to think critically for themselves ... all they know how to do is "expound a predetermined programmed practiced presentation" ... it's the whole presentation or nothing ...
Doesn't anyone around here actually do their own studying?
Isn't anyone able to come to a conclusion of / on their own?
Don't really feel like "sharpening iron"...??? ( mine / yours )
Why is there a severe lack of interest...???
Is it 'fear'? ("What if it is true?")
Can't handle the ramifications?
Can't focus on finding a direct answer to a specific question?
Not going to consider anything you cannot refute with scripture?
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"I am just trying to get you to stop 'playing your tape' [SUP]*[/SUP] and think for yourself..."
* : "playing your tape" is a familiar phrase in psychology circles of the past (I do not know if it is still being used today.) -- which refers to a person's inability to think critically for themselves ... all they know how to do is "expound a predetermined programmed practiced presentation" ... it's the whole presentation or nothing ...
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'I may address...' wow, thanks for taking the time to do so, if you do!
I am usually quite tired by the time I get on CC.
I do more reading of posts than writing of posts.
I have come to realize that I must "pick and choose" what posts to write -- especially those I determine will have to be a long post.
( I already have a list of posts that I would like to write - most of which, I probably never will... )
I am "fighting" falling asleep right now as I write this one...
I really would like to write more posts; however, .......... [what was I going to write here?]
I would say more, but -- you probably "get the picture" by now -- and - I have said enough in this post...
I work 58 hours across six days every week.
I am usually quite tired by the time I get on CC.
I do more reading of posts than writing of posts.
I have come to realize that I must "pick and choose" what posts to write -- especially those I determine will have to be a long post.
( I already have a list of posts that I would like to write - most of which, I probably never will... )
I am "fighting" falling asleep right now as I write this one...
I really would like to write more posts; however, .......... [what was I going to write here?]
I would say more, but -- you probably "get the picture" by now -- and - I have said enough in this post...
I am usually quite tired by the time I get on CC.
I do more reading of posts than writing of posts.
I have come to realize that I must "pick and choose" what posts to write -- especially those I determine will have to be a long post.
( I already have a list of posts that I would like to write - most of which, I probably never will... )
I am "fighting" falling asleep right now as I write this one...
I really would like to write more posts; however, .......... [what was I going to write here?]
I would say more, but -- you probably "get the picture" by now -- and - I have said enough in this post...
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While I am not in agreement with it, this post presents "discussable" information more directly related to the topic -- thank you jb for your input - I may address it at a later time...
'I may address...' wow, thanks for taking the time to do so, if you do!
I work 58 hours across six days every week.
I am usually quite tired by the time I get on CC.
I do more reading of posts than writing of posts.
I have come to realize that I must "pick and choose" what posts to write -- especially those I determine will have to be a long post.
( I already have a list of posts that I would like to write - most of which, I probably never will... )
I am "fighting" falling asleep right now as I write this one...
I really would like to write more posts; however, .......... [what was I going to write here?]
I would say more, but -- you probably "get the picture" by now -- and - I have said enough in this post...
I am usually quite tired by the time I get on CC.
I do more reading of posts than writing of posts.
I have come to realize that I must "pick and choose" what posts to write -- especially those I determine will have to be a long post.
( I already have a list of posts that I would like to write - most of which, I probably never will... )
I am "fighting" falling asleep right now as I write this one...
I really would like to write more posts; however, .......... [what was I going to write here?]
I would say more, but -- you probably "get the picture" by now -- and - I have said enough in this post...
Well, there is absolutely NO point whatsoever starting a thread and asking people to post in it if you are to tired or unable to answer posts in it...fellow! I must admit, I found your statement of 'I may address...' quite arrogant, and you can rest assured I will not bother to take the time again to post in any of your threads...period!
Things have changed a bit.
It was not in any way intended to be arrogant.
"Let me see if I can explain what you missed..." :
In saying this, I have indicated that I have read your post - and have given reasonable consideration to it...
...and acknowledged that you have presented the kind of topic-related "discussion-worthy" material that I am looking for...
...and have, in fact, thanked you for submitting it.
( "Who - in arrogance - thanks someone for submitting material with which they disagree into their thread?" )
This is saying that I may come back later and address your post "in more specific detail" than the "more general" response that I just gave it.
Perhaps it is you who is being arrogant?
How long - having no response from me regarding your post - would you have "tolerated" (waited) before you "demanded" a response to your post?
If I had said that I agreed completely with what you wrote in your post - but, would not address it more specifically -- would you still be just as offended?
I write posts "all the time" that seem to be ignored completely - or that are not regarded in a way that I would like to see; however, I do not "throw a fit" over it -- because, I am not "owed" any such thing by anyone.
"And, neither are you..."
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It was the tone of your reply in Post #46 that I didn't like; (to me) it has a hint of condescension and arrogance, however, I was willing to accept your statement that, 'it was not in any way intended to be arrogant.' But you really undid all your conciliatory explanation with 'perhaps it is you who is being arrogant,' I'm blunt, but not arrogant, life has kicked that out of me a long time ago. The length of time someone takes to answer a post of mine (or if they don't answer it) does not matter to me one jot, however, the 'tone' matters much, as it shows something about the spirituality and character of the person posting...Here's hoping you'll moderate your 'tone' of your future posts!
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It seems that my 'study' threads are filling up with anything but good "iron sharpening" discussion that is based [directly] on the idea of the thread and the conclusions of the study...
This tells me one thing, more than anything else -- I am on the RIGHT TRACK concerning the TRUTH of the scriptures in regard to what they say about the End Times Scenario. ( "Otherwise, there is no one on CC who is able to show me from the scriptures anything / something that will help me to correct my error..." )
Satan is doing anything and everything he possibly can to deter, defer, detract, distract, etc. anyone and everyone from taking an honest, serious look at what these verses are actually saying.
No one seems to be able to accept it.
No one seems to be able to answer it.
No one seems to be able to refute it.
EDIT: "Very precious few, anyway..."
I am just interested in the truth - above all else...
With all of the "extremist" debate that goes on around here between those who believe "all end-times prophesy is past" and those who believe "all end-times prophesy is future" ----- I have been trying to get them all to see that the truth actually lies "somewhere between" these 'extremes'.
Please understand the point of the above statement, and do not "nitpick" it:
"Oh - but I don't believe that all end-times prophesy is past / future..." (only 95 or 99 percent)
In other words - they are both wrong -- that is, both "extremist" views are "part right, and part wrong"...
God is the epitome of perfect balance. His Word - which "came out" from Him - is balanced.
The truth of the scriptures "speaks" in a balanced way.
'extreme' => "lopsided" (not balanced - does not match the truth of the scriptures)
When you see a viewpoint "go to extremes" -- "a red flag should pop up" -- and you should immediately know that something is wrong somewhere (error exists in that viewpoint).
When a viewpoint says "God is Love" (which is certainly true) - but, refuses to acknowledge that God is so many other things also (Holy, Just, etc.) - it is out of balance.
When a viewpoint says "[everything] is literal / symbolic / physical / spiritual" - it contains error.
( Please understand the context - I did not say statement-for-the-purpose-of-definition-or-illustration or some similar thing - I said 'viewpoint', as in "world view" or "belief system"... )
It is part physical.
It is part spiritual.
It is part literal.
It is part symbolic.
And balanced.
This tells me one thing, more than anything else -- I am on the RIGHT TRACK concerning the TRUTH of the scriptures in regard to what they say about the End Times Scenario.
( "Otherwise, there is no one on CC who is able to show me from the scriptures anything / something that will help me to correct my error..." )Satan is doing anything and everything he possibly can to deter, defer, detract, distract, etc. anyone and everyone from taking an honest, serious look at what these verses are actually saying.
No one seems to be able to accept it.
No one seems to be able to answer it.
No one seems to be able to refute it.
EDIT: "Very precious few, anyway..."
I am just interested in the truth - above all else...
With all of the "extremist" debate that goes on around here between those who believe "all end-times prophesy is past" and those who believe "all end-times prophesy is future" ----- I have been trying to get them all to see that the truth actually lies "somewhere between" these 'extremes'.
Please understand the point of the above statement, and do not "nitpick" it:
"Oh - but I don't believe that all end-times prophesy is past / future..."
(only 95 or 99 percent)In other words - they are both wrong -- that is, both "extremist" views are "part right, and part wrong"...
God is the epitome of perfect balance. His Word - which "came out" from Him - is balanced.
The truth of the scriptures "speaks" in a balanced way.
'extreme' => "lopsided" (not balanced - does not match the truth of the scriptures)
When you see a viewpoint "go to extremes" -- "a red flag should pop up" -- and you should immediately know that something is wrong somewhere (error exists in that viewpoint).
When a viewpoint says "God is Love" (which is certainly true) - but, refuses to acknowledge that God is so many other things also (Holy, Just, etc.) - it is out of balance.
When a viewpoint says "[everything] is literal / symbolic / physical / spiritual" - it contains error.
( Please understand the context - I did not say statement-for-the-purpose-of-definition-or-illustration or some similar thing - I said 'viewpoint', as in "world view" or "belief system"... )
It is part physical.
It is part spiritual.
It is part literal.
It is part symbolic.
And balanced.
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With all of the "extremist" debate that goes on around here between those who believe "all end-times prophesy is past" and those who believe "all end-times prophesy is future" ----- I have been trying to get them all to see that the truth actually lies "somewhere between" these 'extremes'.
It is part physical.
It is part spiritual.
It is part literal.
It is part symbolic.
And balanced.
It is part physical.
It is part spiritual.
It is part literal.
It is part symbolic.
And balanced.
I tried to rep you for this but I guess it's too soon since the last time!
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UNLESS the tribulation period coincides with "the times of the Gentiles" - from before 70 A.D. until the Second Coming of Christ ≈ 2000 years
'the times of the Gentiles' => "the span of time from the end of 'the 70 weeks of Daniel' (Daniel 9:24) until the Second Coming of Christ"
"Thought for the day..."
'the times of the Gentiles' => "the span of time from the end of 'the 70 weeks of Daniel' (Daniel 9:24) until the Second Coming of Christ"
"Thought for the day..."
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. ~ Daniel 9:24
"Thought for the day..."
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When you do discover what this verse is referring to, you will realize that it has already happened...
Otherwise, the "times of the Gentiles'' is just a very short span of time at the very end of all things right before Christ comes back - right?
Nothing like this is supposed to happen to the Jews (after 1948) until Armageddon - right?
What happens at Armageddon does not include 'shall be led away captive into all nations'...
I never said that I did not know what it was referring to - I just want you to ''study it out" until you come to a conclusion of your own. When you have an answer for these questions, we can continue our discussion:
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Otherwise, the "times of the Gentiles'' is just a very short span of time at the very end of all things right before Christ comes back - right?
Nothing like this is supposed to happen to the Jews (after 1948) until Armageddon - right?
What happens at Armageddon does not include 'shall be led away captive into all nations'...
I never said that I did not know what it was referring to - I just want you to ''study it out" until you come to a conclusion of your own. When you have an answer for these questions, we can continue our discussion:
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