spirit of jezebel has infiltrated the church

[RedTent]

I have notied that anytime any idea becomes the center of thinking, when it is carried to extremes it is wrong. Our God seems to have a center of balance. Law and Grace must be balanced, legalism and obedience, Sabbath and love.

It is the same with understanding God's way for women. When men use God's instructions to say women are inferior, or their work isn't as important as theirs, or to obey them or else it is going too far. If women say their rights mean they don't have responsibility for the work of being a teammate in a marriage, or that they are more important, they are going too far.

As the approved ways of the world we live in get further from God's ways, it becomes harder for women to manage to do their work. They are deserted, they use sex in the wrong way and have children from that, most men and women haven't a clue about what marriage is all about, or even about working in partnership. So even the corrections become unbalanced.

 

[PS]

Paul was a single man and could devote himself to the Lords work, but a married woman with a husband and a family could never do what Paul did, even teaching, which can take hours of preparation, wouldn't have been possible without affecting family life.

I don't think Paul was motivated by sexism at all, but rather he was simply applying good common sense.

 

[wordhelpsme]

Many people whostate what they belief may not fully understand the background of meaning. Your church member could only mean she wantsto be valued for her abilities, especially if they are raising children alone. It would be best to find out their meaningand then tell them the Bible’s viewpoint on this movement and the meaning ofwhat a feminist is.

I agree thatmost the things you wrote concerning the feminist movement are ungodly. Remember the mistreatment of women minoritiesis what caused the movement to surface. Single women who could not find a suitable mate had to work forthemselves and wanted equal pay for equal jobs. This sprouted into other ungodly beliefs.

Women were created as a feminine helper and companion, to complement him. Women can be strong and decisive andfeminine. Women are not mindlesscreatures. Genesis 2:20

Women are feminine but capable of making decisions and holding spiritualpositions that does not interior with the headship arrangement 1 Corinthians11:3 (…the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, andthe head of Christ is God)

Proverbs 31tells of a wife capable of making wise decisions on her own, running a businessand household. This is a godly woman whowas created to give godly input thatwould not interfere with the spiritual headship of her husband, but at thesame time her husband allows her the dignity of making good decisions on herown.

Deborah servedas a prophetess along with other spiritual guided women. Judges 4:4-8; Luke 2:36, 37. Barak show a sign of strong faith when heinsisted on taking Deborah with him to the battlefield. Having her reassured him and his men thatthey had God’s guidance, given him confidence.

Godly men are to give honor andrespect to the women.

1 Peter 3:7says: “Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, givinghonor into the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together ofthe grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

To honorsomeone means to hold them in high esteem. To consider their opinions, needs, and wants that may differ from theirown. This is how as godly husband shoulddeal with his wife.

Having a godlymate makes it easier to respect him, but not having one does not exempt a Christianwoman from showing the godly qualities such as respect. Abigail did this with Nabal. 1 Samuel 25:23-41

 

[Fenner]

I remember that. That guy was banned too. I think I was harsh toward you as we'll, but now that I've seen you post more i feel that there's a huge difference in feminism and being a strong woman. I normally use the word "feminist" in a negetive way. You may not. Which is fine, but I can tell you're a strong woman which I believe us a Godly thing.

Thank you, if I came off as rude that day, I'm sorry. For some reason I let him bother me.

 

[maxwel]

Howdy Maxwel,
There are many different types of feminism. I'll just briefly go over some of the various types of feminist thought in the United States. Feminism is broken up in what is called "waves." The first wave mostly concerned the woman's right to vote and the woman's right to get an education. The second wave is the wave associated with a lot of the things posted on this thread. This wave started in the 70s roughly, and was associated with a lesbian movement (indeed "separatism" that women should separate altogether from men), and abortion rights. There are still second wave feminists around (indeed I know some). The third wave has extended beyond women's concerns and is concerned with poverty, racial discrimination, human rights abuses across the globe. You know, it wasn't that long ago that women were treated as property, and it is still true in many parts of the world today. We even see stories like this in the Old Testament: a father can sell his daughter into slavery, if a man rapes a virgin and refuses to marry her, he must pay the father a "bride price" since she lost her honor, and so on. There is now an emerging fourth wave of feminism, which concerns sexual rights and alternative sexual lifestyles. I consider myself most closely aligned with third wave feminism.

Professor,
Thanks for responding and answering my questions.
I think it was definitely a mistake on my part jumping into a discussion where I didn't fully understand the terms.

Since feminism can be defined at least 4 different ways, and probably more, I think debating feminism is pretty much like walking through a mine field. It just doesn't seem practical. I think I'm going to stick to more specific terms for more specific issues.

Thanks again for taking time to respond.

 

[carey]

When I first wrote this I knew there would be some backlash, I also knew some would misunderstand me, what I did not expect was for sooo many to completely twist my words and make them into something I did not say! When did I say ALL women are Jezebel? Or that women are meant specifically for mans use to do what he wants with her? Did I not say there is a tremendous DIFFERENCE between a Jezebel and a strong Christian woman? How many times has the Bible exhorted women? How many times has the Bible given us examples of great women? It would be extremely bad form and unbiblical to say what some have accused me of saying. Furthermore no one disputes that the harlot in revelation is a spirit, so why do you dispute that Jezebel, which is also in revelation is a spirit? Yes the Jezebel spirit can affect men, it's rare but I have seen it happen!
I wrote this because there is a deceiving spirit in the church (is that better for your sensitive heart?) If I see something that concerns me I will speak up, I will not be silent, I am not going to sit back and watch my sisters sit in deceit, should I be silent in fear of offending someone? No I won't, if by being offended you seek the truth and are delivered from this ugly spirit, then praise God!
I do not have a computer at home, I'm hoping to get to the library tomorrow, if I can I will outline what a strong Christian woman looks like so you will know the difference, so you cannot be confused or twist my words again, I find that very disrespectful!

 

[carey]

Someone asked about women being pastors, here is what I found:
The word pastor is only found in one place, Ephesians 4, a pastors job is to have outward rule and guidance of the church, women are NOT to have authority over men, if she is a pastor doesn't she have authority over men?
1 Timothy 3 speaks of qualifications of an overseer in the church, "man of one WIFE"
Teaching is an office of authority, as women we are to be learners, we are to teach our children and sisters in the faith, not men! If we do teach in any public setting it must be to other women, so a woman that is in authority over men is in disobedience to God's word.
1 Timothy 2:8-15
1 Timothy 3
1 Corinthians 11:3
1 Corinthians 11:7-9

These are hard words to hear, even for myself, but we absolutely cannot look at God's word and and say to ourselves, it doesn't really mean that, just because the way of this world has changed. God's word is eternal. When we as women desire to take the office that was given to men, we are activating the curse that was placed on us in Genesis 3

 

[Graybeard]

a feminist is a woman who tells me to make my own coffee!

 

[tribesman]

...When men use God's instructions to say women are inferior ... it is going too far...

Who has said anything such here?

 

[Pen014]

thank you for posting this.

 

[my_adonai_]

So in other words it's speculation, not something found in the Bible.

Do you want the bible to detail the name of EVERY DEMON in this world?

there are demons with human names or the otherway around, i have seen this, heard this. and discerned it.
the word of GOD shows EXPERIENCE of the different people had with GOD, witnesses of the LIVING GOD of JACOB, ISAAC AND Abraham. and they wrote what is NECESSARY, Guidelines to our Faith in the LORD.

going back to the topic at hand, i have not really encountered this demon. but i can not refute the evidence i have not yet experienced or had proof of. basically understanding the Character of the biblical Jezebel, and the character shown by different ministers we get to encounter we can truly know that THIS IS NOT HOLY SPIRIT INFLUENCED, but another spirit influence.

feminism i do not agree to it really, it has had good fruits indeed. but yet again i can come up with the point that the devil reveals himself as the angel of light.
biblicaly as many know that the man IS HEAD, Head of the family. looking at the context of this, we see that women where not allowed to be leaders in the church. patriachal system? a thing of culture? well do you believe that Paul had the Holy Spirit in Him? and that the letters HE wrote to the different churches unless HE stated HIMSELF(at times he said, i write as a man) was given a Go ahead by the most High?.

the woman is the helper of the man, as EVE came second, and ADAM FIRST(Gods setting can not be argued with). but yet something awesome this way comes, THE MAN is to LOVE the woman as JESUS CHRIST loved the CHURCH, not to see her as undeserving, nooo, valueless? nnooo. a slave noo? a friend? more than that. a man should LOVE the woman so much that the woman would say "SWEEP ME AWAY, WHEREVER YOU GO, I GO, WHATEVER YOU DO, I SUPPORT YOU. Not only because you are head, but because YOU LOVE ME and i have seen the sacrifices you have made for me, putting my life before yours as JESUS DID, ready to die for me, as JESUS did. with open ears and eyes for me, as JESUS does, LEADING me into greener pastures, in the valleys of darkness i know you with me, i trust you, i will believe you, i will endure with you, you are mine, i am yours, the only separation is the LORD".

well men have a big challenge yoh, we all know the Love that Christ has for the church can not be compared ai. but with the Spirit of GOD anything is possible.

and ooooh a certain agent(devils side) wrote in a book that when He went to a church that the LOVE showed to her changed her. hallelujah. And well when we see a jezebel woman trying to get up, and we get busy pointing fingers and not kneeling. ai that woman will take a foothold in the church. we must turn from the concept of pointing fingers and asking the LORD what can i do, or what should i do.

and as i say again, if the LORD has given unto a woman a ministry of being a pastor, and we doubt? the LORD has open ears yoh. we ask HIM, HE will say yeh. or not. Gods truth will take away the doubts in our hearts.

 

[danschance]

Do you want the bible to detail the name of EVERY DEMON in this world?

there are demons with human names or the otherway around, i have seen this, heard this. and discerned it.
the word of GOD shows EXPERIENCE of the different people had with GOD, witnesses of the LIVING GOD of JACOB, ISAAC AND Abraham. and they wrote what is NECESSARY, Guidelines to our Faith in the LORD.

going back to the topic at hand, i have not really encountered this demon. but i can not refute the evidence i have not yet experienced or had proof of. basically understanding the Character of the biblical Jezebel, and the character shown by different ministers we get to encounter we can truly know that THIS IS NOT HOLY SPIRIT INFLUENCED, but another spirit influence. ... i have not really encountered this demon. but i can not refute the evidence i have not yet experienced or had proof of.
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I have seen this argument of "Well if it is not in the bible, it must be false." As I stated earlier, one can prove by a lack of evidence that something does not exist. The bible only mentions one demon by name, legion. Can we assume all demons are Legion? No and that line of reasoning is false.

I have encountered this demon twice. Once in a woman and once in a man. The woman who had it, it pretended to be an alternate personality. To other alters, it appeared to be a beautiful woman and was making a big deal of what this woman's daughter was wearing in a photograph. It complained of her boots and hair style and complained at length about her appearance, at length. In the man it appeared to an alter called Romeo who was formed by a failed high school crush. Jezebel appeared to him as the girlfriend he was in love with. Jezebel was cast out of that man and "Romeo's whole demeanor changed and received healing from God.

 

[Angela53510]

Not sure where you got your information from, but the greek word "hypotasso", which according to Strong's means:

1) to arrange under, to subordinate
2) to subject, put in subjection
3) to subject one's self, obey
4) to submit to one's control
5) to yield to one's admonition or advice
6) to obey, be subject


Hypotasso, which clearly means submit, is present in both Eph. 5:21 and 22.

The word only appears in verse 21 in the original Greek. It is NOT in verse 22. Get a UBS (United Bible Societies) Greek version with all the variations from all the early texts It does mean submit, but that implies voluntary placing yourself humbly under a person you love and respect.

Strong's is ok, but also remember it is over 100 years old. That means that a lot of scholarship has gone on since it was written. The word is now known to mean submit, and is never translated as "obey" even in the KJV.

Basically, we are to submit to one another. Imagine how wonderful things would be in the church if everyone submitted humbly submitted to each other? And if all husbands loved their wives as Christ loves the church? Well, I guess that would be pretty close to heaven!

 

[danschance]

The word only appears in verse 21 in the original Greek. It is NOT in verse 22. Get a UBS (United Bible Societies) Greek version with all the variations from all the early texts It does mean submit, but that implies voluntary placing yourself humbly under a person you love and respect.

Strong's is ok, but also remember it is over 100 years old. That means that a lot of scholarship has gone on since it was written. The word is now known to mean submit, and is never translated as "obey" even in the KJV.

Basically, we are to submit to one another. Imagine how wonderful things would be in the church if everyone submitted humbly submitted to each other? And if all husbands loved their wives as Christ loves the church? Well, I guess that would be pretty close to heaven!

No, it is in verse 22, look for yourself:

Ephesians 5 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

 

[danschance]

Submit yourselves (hypotaso) therefore to God . Resist the devil , and he will flee from you. 1Pe 2:13

Submit yourselves (hypotaso) to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king , as supreme; 1Pe 5:5

Here is two other uses for the Greek word "hypotaso". I think it is clear by context, that submit is the appropriate word. We submit to God and the ordinances of man (our government).

 

[Bridget_Left_China]

I don't think there's a spirit called Jezebel who afflicts people.. but I have seen many a woman act like they were in control of their marriage and everyone around them, manipulating those around them in a Jezebel-type fashion. I don't think there is an issue with saying someone has a Jezebel-type attitude, though I don't think Jezebel is within them... :O

 

[jinx]

ooo, now we getting all technical... lol

 

[tribesman]

ooo, now we getting all technical... lol

Yes...it's just splitting of hairs when people say "there's no scripture that says 'spirit of Jezebel'"...these people know well what Jezebel was up to and they also know well that people today are still operating in her spirit. Which is wicked. For some reason they don't like that this is being pointed out.

 

[carey]

I think they don't like it being pointed out because then they would have to admit they need deliverance

 

[jinx]

or that they was wrong.