God created all the angels at one time. They are more numerous than the stars. They are all male. They don't have wings and are 9 to 10 feet tall. A man can be referred to as an angel in the case that he is sent as a messenger and that is what the word angel means. But, Gabriel and Michael are not men in the human sense. Angelic beings do not have flesh bodies.
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Even if you believe the fallacy of a supernatural devil the name Lucifer has nothing to do with it.
The name lucifer (is referred to twice in the Bible though you will only see it once in many Bibles as there is doctrinal bias in some versions).
The name means 'morning star' and is a title of adoration. That is why the other times it is used (translated two different ways in greek) it's about Jesus (1Peter 1:19, Rev 2:28 and Rev 22:16).
In the passage in Isaiah it is being used to show how Nebudcanezzer was big and powerful. Made so by God (i.e. metaphorically in heaven).
The whole of the Bible around that part of Isaiah is all about Babylon and it's king.
It is all about how the king was made high and powerful and took over many countries but then wanted to be higher still. It is about the huge statues he made of himself that others should worship (remember Daniel).
It was all about how God would bring him down. It was about how God would have Babylon taken over by the Medes.
Please read the 3 chapters together Isaiah 13-15 : reading verses of the Bible out of context leads to the type of mistake you have been taught.
As Wesley put it
Even Gill and Gusik (folks who believed in the devil as a supernatural being) state this is not about the devil.
Gusik does point out though that in his opinion "the king of spiritual Babylon, Satan"
Letting go of this error does not stop you from clinging to your error about a fallen angel called the devil.
But using the name lucifer in this way is to ignore the Bible in favour of the teaching of men and it's an error that is just too obvious if you read the Bible around the verse.
Even if you believe the fallacy of a supernatural devil the name Lucifer has nothing to do with it.
The name lucifer (is referred to twice in the Bible though you will only see it once in many Bibles as there is doctrinal bias in some versions).
The name means 'morning star' and is a title of adoration. That is why the other times it is used (translated two different ways in greek) it's about Jesus (1Peter 1:19, Rev 2:28 and Rev 22:16).
In the passage in Isaiah it is being used to show how Nebudcanezzer was big and powerful. Made so by God (i.e. metaphorically in heaven).
The whole of the Bible around that part of Isaiah is all about Babylon and it's king.
It is all about how the king was made high and powerful and took over many countries but then wanted to be higher still. It is about the huge statues he made of himself that others should worship (remember Daniel).
It was all about how God would bring him down. It was about how God would have Babylon taken over by the Medes.
Please read the 3 chapters together Isaiah 13-15 : reading verses of the Bible out of context leads to the type of mistake you have been taught.
As Wesley put it
Even Gill and Gusik (folks who believed in the devil as a supernatural being) state this is not about the devil.
Gusik does point out though that in his opinion "the king of spiritual Babylon, Satan"
Letting go of this error does not stop you from clinging to your error about a fallen angel called the devil.
But using the name lucifer in this way is to ignore the Bible in favour of the teaching of men and it's an error that is just too obvious if you read the Bible around the verse.
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I think dagon etc were just wood and stone. Nothing more. That is what whole swathes of the Old Testament are all about.
Judges 6:31-32 and 1Kings 18 are all about how non-existent such beings were. The OT is there for a reason - that we should know such things and not be tempted to believe such 'gods' are real beings.
I think dagon etc were just wood and stone. Nothing more. That is what whole swathes of the Old Testament are all about.
Judges 6:31-32 and 1Kings 18 are all about how non-existent such beings were. The OT is there for a reason - that we should know such things and not be tempted to believe such 'gods' are real beings.
The Bright and Morning Star who is Jesus was prophesied first in Numbers 24:17. and then in Isaiah 11:1.
Num 24:17 I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel,
Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: and the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Jacob is Israel and a Sceptre is a staff or rod probably a Shepherds Crook which is a symbol of authority in the same way as the shepherd has authority over his sheep,
Jesse (in Isaiah) was the son of Obed, and grandson of Boaz and Ruth (Ruth 4:13-22). Jesse had eight sons and two daughters, but he is known to Bible History primarily because of his youngest son, the one who became King David. As such, Jesse was a key ancestor of Jesus Christ: "There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots ... In that day the root of Jesse shall stand as an ensign to the peoples; him shall the nations seek, and his dwellings shall be glorious." (Isaiah 11:1,10 RSV)
The prophesy in both Numbers and Isaiah are about Jesus and his divinity is revealed all the way through the Bible over thousands of years, he revealed himself to us two thousand years ago and he will return again just like he said and as is prophesied in Revelation.
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In additionin Isa 14:12 we read "King of Babylonia, you thought you were the bright morning star. But now you have fallen from heaven! You once brought nations down. But now you have been thrown down to the earth!” (This was true at the time for the Babylonian nation and is prophetical for Satan who will be brought down and may have a place in prophesy.)
Satan (Lucifer) would like to usurp God, and Belshazzar who was the king of the Babylonians is a type (metaphor) for Satan or the antichrist.
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In astronomy Venus is known as the Morning Star because it brings light in the morning, and in Latin "Light-Bringer" translates as "Lucifer." It is to do with Jesus and is a cruel sacrilegious hoax perpetrated by Léo Taxil (1854–1907)
Lucifer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Num 24:17 I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel,
Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: and the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Jacob is Israel and a Sceptre is a staff or rod probably a Shepherds Crook which is a symbol of authority in the same way as the shepherd has authority over his sheep,
Jesse (in Isaiah) was the son of Obed, and grandson of Boaz and Ruth (Ruth 4:13-22). Jesse had eight sons and two daughters, but he is known to Bible History primarily because of his youngest son, the one who became King David. As such, Jesse was a key ancestor of Jesus Christ: "There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots ... In that day the root of Jesse shall stand as an ensign to the peoples; him shall the nations seek, and his dwellings shall be glorious." (Isaiah 11:1,10 RSV)
The prophesy in both Numbers and Isaiah are about Jesus and his divinity is revealed all the way through the Bible over thousands of years, he revealed himself to us two thousand years ago and he will return again just like he said and as is prophesied in Revelation.
ALSO
In additionin Isa 14:12 we read "King of Babylonia, you thought you were the bright morning star. But now you have fallen from heaven! You once brought nations down. But now you have been thrown down to the earth!” (This was true at the time for the Babylonian nation and is prophetical for Satan who will be brought down and may have a place in prophesy.)
Satan (Lucifer) would like to usurp God, and Belshazzar who was the king of the Babylonians is a type (metaphor) for Satan or the antichrist.
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In astronomy Venus is known as the Morning Star because it brings light in the morning, and in Latin "Light-Bringer" translates as "Lucifer." It is to do with Jesus and is a cruel sacrilegious hoax perpetrated by Léo Taxil (1854–1907)
Lucifer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This is a "He reports you decide" account.
Here is the story of a Talmud thumping, punitive supersessionist self-proclaimed Christian, who believes he stands up for Jesus by assigning beliefs to Jews through books that Jews themselves do not consider inspired. Yet if Jews assigned and insisted that he believed in an angel named Maroni and that God lives near a planet/star named Kolob I'll bet he would be screaming like a little girl.
Please read Ted Pike's account of what life is/was like for he and his wife, and decide if it appears more like Satanic attack against him for assigning beliefs to Jews, or more like he stepped out from under God's protection:
Ted Pike: My Wife Died a Martyr for God and Freedom
Here is the story of a Talmud thumping, punitive supersessionist self-proclaimed Christian, who believes he stands up for Jesus by assigning beliefs to Jews through books that Jews themselves do not consider inspired. Yet if Jews assigned and insisted that he believed in an angel named Maroni and that God lives near a planet/star named Kolob I'll bet he would be screaming like a little girl.
Please read Ted Pike's account of what life is/was like for he and his wife, and decide if it appears more like Satanic attack against him for assigning beliefs to Jews, or more like he stepped out from under God's protection:
Ted Pike: My Wife Died a Martyr for God and Freedom
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[TD]And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The seed of woman is Lord Jesus Christ and He has already crushed the head of devil through the cross.Those who believe in Lord Jesus Christ are one with the Lord and through the Lord we can crush all the powers of devil. Its just another miraculous power that is manifested when a true believer raises the Name of the Lord. Just as the blind got healed or the dead rose to life because of the Lord so is victory won because of the Name of the Lord. No one ever questioned how could the dead rise to life, Oh its impossible! or how could a blind man see! So is the victory . I don't think going to details about devil is needed.Did the disciples go in details when Lord send them to deliver people? That was taken as a command. They just did it. Why glorify devil? He has fallen and whoever partners with him will also fall.Whoever partners with Christ will rise.
Jesus Christ is the most powerful person I believe and God alone is sovereign. The fallen one remains fallen.[/TD]
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[TD]And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The seed of woman is Lord Jesus Christ and He has already crushed the head of devil through the cross.Those who believe in Lord Jesus Christ are one with the Lord and through the Lord we can crush all the powers of devil. Its just another miraculous power that is manifested when a true believer raises the Name of the Lord. Just as the blind got healed or the dead rose to life because of the Lord so is victory won because of the Name of the Lord. No one ever questioned how could the dead rise to life, Oh its impossible! or how could a blind man see! So is the victory . I don't think going to details about devil is needed.Did the disciples go in details when Lord send them to deliver people? That was taken as a command. They just did it. Why glorify devil? He has fallen and whoever partners with him will also fall.Whoever partners with Christ will rise.
Jesus Christ is the most powerful person I believe and God alone is sovereign. The fallen one remains fallen.[/TD]
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There is no specific rite or statue associated with sacrificing children to Moloch or even an acknowledgement of Moloch, but it seems that the spirit of Moloch worship is alive and well in the 21st century. (I'm talking about the abortion industry and the ideology that fuels it).
2 Pet 2:4 and Jude 1:6 indicate that some angels fell from heaven due to their sins, "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment" (2 Pet 2:4), "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day" (Jude 1:6). Satan will be cast into the lake of fire prior to the final judgment (Jude 1:6, Rev 20:10).
Furthermore...
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Here, God was conversing with an actual being, Satan, who is the head of the kingdom of darkness. Job 1:6-8
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Matt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 20:2-3
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Repent of denying the existence of Satan and fallen angels!
Furthermore...
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Here, God was conversing with an actual being, Satan, who is the head of the kingdom of darkness. Job 1:6-8
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Matt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 20:2-3
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Repent of denying the existence of Satan and fallen angels!
1. Jesus was extremely clear when speaking on these matters. He left absolutely no room for misinterpretation. He never mentioned mental illness, or any other term that sounded even remotely psychological. He was very very clear about the matter of demons being actual entities which could indwell a person.
2. If you DO NOT believe the scriptures, then it's fine to claim they mean pretty much anything. But if you claim to believe the scriptures, there is just no way to take the clear teachings of the gospels, and turn demon possession into mental illness. So, before you change the very clear meaning of the text, you need to just admit you don't really believe the scriptures. If you think the scriptures are all just allegorical, you need to just admit this, so everyone will understand what you really believe.
2. If you DO NOT believe the scriptures, then it's fine to claim they mean pretty much anything. But if you claim to believe the scriptures, there is just no way to take the clear teachings of the gospels, and turn demon possession into mental illness. So, before you change the very clear meaning of the text, you need to just admit you don't really believe the scriptures. If you think the scriptures are all just allegorical, you need to just admit this, so everyone will understand what you really believe.
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Indeed the Canaanites sacrificed children to idols. Yet there is so much blindness in the world today - even in the "church" because of pop-approaches to bible prophecy - that very few realize that 1.5 billion people - 1/4 of mankind in the world today, are effectively sacrificing their children to the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca.
All because of THE false prophet Muhammad whose followers fill their children with complete resolve to DISbelieve the crucifixion of Christ, DENY the Son of God, and REJECT His shed blood - the WHOLE SUBJECT of the Gospel - as articles of faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone.
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