The holiless conundrum
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I am off, going home, but I will try to catch up yet again... PM me if it is urgent that you need an answer from me... I love you ALL friend and foe... God is witness that HE is the one that worketh my love from above...
Hattiebod, Zone, Tribesman, Blain, just think God make us perfectly ONE... What an awesome site this will be! We all LIKEMINDED and 100% in Truth... I pray God does that for us... ALL OF US PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER with Christ as our head... BOY that would be HEAVENLY GODLY AND HOLY....
Lord Jesus, thank You for Your education, and Your presense in my life... Lord give me obedience to abay ONLY You, and let the Old Cobus DIE!!!! Amen!
Hattiebod, Zone, Tribesman, Blain, just think God make us perfectly ONE... What an awesome site this will be! We all LIKEMINDED and 100% in Truth... I pray God does that for us... ALL OF US PERFECTLY JOINED TOGETHER with Christ as our head... BOY that would be HEAVENLY GODLY AND HOLY....
Lord Jesus, thank You for Your education, and Your presense in my life... Lord give me obedience to abay ONLY You, and let the Old Cobus DIE!!!! Amen!
I never once said the cross does not apply, however if one was to be saved by faith and knowing Jesus died on the cross for them which is spoken of in the bible and sought after the lord with all their heart and truly loved him and began to see and love others as he does the lord will take great delight in him. but if a person seeks to be obedient, know scripture, and seek righteousness but does not know god on a personal level. then they will get a twisted view about what faith is really about. I have said many times what faith is about and for your benefit I will say it again: Faith is not about how well you know scripture, it is not how closely you follow the law( even the pharsee's did this) it is not about how obedient you are and it is not about how righteous you are. Faith is all about love. The father seeks a person of faith, a person who truly loves him with all their heart and soul. He created man because he wanted a relationship he could not have with the angels. Anyone can say they love the lord with everything they have in them, but the fruits of a person is how you know who is true to his heart or not. You seek so badly to never sin and become perfect, you get angry because I refuse to believe you. But cobus, what you and sinless are missing is the love Jesus speaks of. You can declare you have this love but i have read and watched your posts and i sensed no love in it except for the ones who agree with you. Seek the lords heart cobus. just forget about everything right now and focus on getting to know him on a deep and personal level. I say this because this is the best way to know him. but you must be willing to humble yourself before the lord. Don't think in your mind: I am right there is no need for me to do that: even the pharasee's had 100% they were right and look how they turned out
What did tribesman say? "We can overcome sin, yes, but that does still not mean we are literally and totally free of sin."
Isn't that like saying we can overcome but we can't overcome? LOL. Very cute.
I saw somewhere where someone said we can only be forgiven of sins for now but we must wait until later to be sanctified. They obviously do not understand how we become sanctified.
John 17:19 "And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth."
If we are complete in our obedience to Christ as one of his body parts, then we are sanctified. He died to give us that opportunity, both to forgive us of our past sin and so that we could stumble for a short spell in smaller ways as we go about learning to synchronize with Jesus through the holy spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:11 "And such were some of you: but ye are washed [by the word of truth Jesus spoke of there at John 17:19], but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
That speaks in the present tense. Now some might find that verse confusing, but it is not at all illogical if we turn to Jesus for the answer:
John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Isn't that like saying we can overcome but we can't overcome? LOL. Very cute.
I saw somewhere where someone said we can only be forgiven of sins for now but we must wait until later to be sanctified. They obviously do not understand how we become sanctified.
John 17:19 "And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth."
If we are complete in our obedience to Christ as one of his body parts, then we are sanctified. He died to give us that opportunity, both to forgive us of our past sin and so that we could stumble for a short spell in smaller ways as we go about learning to synchronize with Jesus through the holy spirit.
1 Corinthians 6:11 "And such were some of you: but ye are washed [by the word of truth Jesus spoke of there at John 17:19], but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
That speaks in the present tense. Now some might find that verse confusing, but it is not at all illogical if we turn to Jesus for the answer:
John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you."
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
See my post #207
I do not say we can do it on our own. But I know we can and we must do it. God is not trying to be an enabler or crutch to us so we can continue to sin. He is genuinely healing us of our need for a crutch of grace so that we are able in this life to grow to the point of being able to stand on His righteousness and be an image of Him that truly honors Him as our creator.
Yes, as Cobus said, God will always be our strength. We were designed for him to be our strength and therefore that is not any weakness or imperfection.
I do not say we can do it on our own. But I know we can and we must do it. God is not trying to be an enabler or crutch to us so we can continue to sin. He is genuinely healing us of our need for a crutch of grace so that we are able in this life to grow to the point of being able to stand on His righteousness and be an image of Him that truly honors Him as our creator.
Yes, as Cobus said, God will always be our strength. We were designed for him to be our strength and therefore that is not any weakness or imperfection.
Did Jesus think it to be impossible? Did He not tell a woman and a man to "Go and Sin nor More" So then it must be possible.
Jame 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
Apparently the Apostle James knew it was possible as well.
The Apostle Paul must have believed it as well, he taught "to set aside the sin that so easily beset us"
How many verses teach us to be Perfect? How many teach us to walk as Jesus walked? Truthfully the entire Bible teaches us how NOT TO SIN. Yet this generation teaches it is not possible.
What does the Bible call those who can't cease from sin? Does it not call those people cursed children in 2 Peter 2:14? Yes it does.
So lets reflect. men teach it is not possible, yet the Word of God teaches over and over and over again how it is possible.
Click on my website below and scroll down to either one of two articles 1) Sin No More or 2) Keep on Sinning. To see all the references in the Bible that teach it is possible, you should really read those two articles, your soul is at stake here. You can keep on believing it is not possible, or you can read the articles which shows all the verses which teach it is possible. Shouldn't you want to KNOW what the Truth is, then will it hurt you to read the articles?
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Jame 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
Apparently the Apostle James knew it was possible as well.
The Apostle Paul must have believed it as well, he taught "to set aside the sin that so easily beset us"
How many verses teach us to be Perfect? How many teach us to walk as Jesus walked? Truthfully the entire Bible teaches us how NOT TO SIN. Yet this generation teaches it is not possible.
What does the Bible call those who can't cease from sin? Does it not call those people cursed children in 2 Peter 2:14? Yes it does.
So lets reflect. men teach it is not possible, yet the Word of God teaches over and over and over again how it is possible.
Click on my website below and scroll down to either one of two articles 1) Sin No More or 2) Keep on Sinning. To see all the references in the Bible that teach it is possible, you should really read those two articles, your soul is at stake here. You can keep on believing it is not possible, or you can read the articles which shows all the verses which teach it is possible. Shouldn't you want to KNOW what the Truth is, then will it hurt you to read the articles?
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It is possible, i live it. i do nothing at all to displease my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. i do not knowingly and/or willingly obey satan in anything at all. When i am tempted i immediately read the Bible or go into prayer for Jesus to help me. i stay away from anything that might cause me or tempt me to sin against Him. i have given up my life because He gave up His life for me. i no longer do what i want to do, i do what He wants me to do. i will have plenty of time to do what i want to do when i get to Heaven, but right now, i am His servant, i do as He wants me to do. He leads me not into temptation.
It is Jesus in me, which gives me the Strength and the Power to not sin against Him. i love Him more than the sin. Those who continue to live in sin, love the sin more then Jesus, because if they loved Jesus more then the sin, they would find some way to cease from doing that sin, would they not?
God told me one day, this is what He said word for Word "There is no sin that you do, that you can't cease from" This statement from Him, made me run from God for many years. i was not willing to cease from sinning, i wanted to believe in easy Christianity, where i can continue to live in sins, and still think i am going to Heaven. How is that the narrow and difficult path that leads to Life Everlasting? Its not. The narrow and difficult path is getting sin our of your life, getting rid of that sin that so easily besets you. this is the Struggle, this is why it is extremely hard to walk the narrow path, this is why only a very few will find it. Few as in one in maybe a hundred thousand.
What if Jesus told you to "Go and Sin No More" This generation would not believe Him. If prophets were to live today, and they do, and they teach to Go and Sin No More, see how fast they are mocked and not believed to be a prophet at all, not because they teach things that are contrary to the Word of God, but because they teach things that are contrary to what men teach in the last days, making excuses for their sinning instead of ceasing from them, How will they escape the wrath of God?
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It is Jesus in me, which gives me the Strength and the Power to not sin against Him. i love Him more than the sin. Those who continue to live in sin, love the sin more then Jesus, because if they loved Jesus more then the sin, they would find some way to cease from doing that sin, would they not?
God told me one day, this is what He said word for Word "There is no sin that you do, that you can't cease from" This statement from Him, made me run from God for many years. i was not willing to cease from sinning, i wanted to believe in easy Christianity, where i can continue to live in sins, and still think i am going to Heaven. How is that the narrow and difficult path that leads to Life Everlasting? Its not. The narrow and difficult path is getting sin our of your life, getting rid of that sin that so easily besets you. this is the Struggle, this is why it is extremely hard to walk the narrow path, this is why only a very few will find it. Few as in one in maybe a hundred thousand.
What if Jesus told you to "Go and Sin No More" This generation would not believe Him. If prophets were to live today, and they do, and they teach to Go and Sin No More, see how fast they are mocked and not believed to be a prophet at all, not because they teach things that are contrary to the Word of God, but because they teach things that are contrary to what men teach in the last days, making excuses for their sinning instead of ceasing from them, How will they escape the wrath of God?
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Indeed we should.
This is a strange kind of reverse faith so many have fallen prey to. It sanctions them to just say, "Oops, oh well, God understands that I am only a sinful human," instead of teaching to really know and have faith in God's knowledge and wisdom and his ability to teach it to them so that they compelled by his love can use it for salvation. His works because he taught it to them as what he wants them to do.
They have been told over and over again that it is the truth that sets them free, but they seem not to listen.
What is that truth but God's knowledge and wisdom which Proverbs calls a tree of life and which is able to be seen modeled to us in Jesus?
And what is being set free by truth but salvation?
And he even gives us the helper the remembrancer to recall to our mind that knowledge and help to produce that wisdom which we are supposed to live by.
This is a strange kind of reverse faith so many have fallen prey to. It sanctions them to just say, "Oops, oh well, God understands that I am only a sinful human," instead of teaching to really know and have faith in God's knowledge and wisdom and his ability to teach it to them so that they compelled by his love can use it for salvation. His works because he taught it to them as what he wants them to do.
They have been told over and over again that it is the truth that sets them free, but they seem not to listen.
What is that truth but God's knowledge and wisdom which Proverbs calls a tree of life and which is able to be seen modeled to us in Jesus?
And what is being set free by truth but salvation?
And he even gives us the helper the remembrancer to recall to our mind that knowledge and help to produce that wisdom which we are supposed to live by.
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