What Do You Believe About Death

[sinless]

I believe we go straight to Heaven when we die, and return with Jesus from Heaven at His 2nd coming

 

[nathan3]

I don't know a whole lot, but I like 1 COR. 15: ; & 2 Corinthians 5:8-10 ; & Ecclesiastes 12:7 for starters.

 

[Stephen63]

It does not answer my question. Also can you prove it is a True story and not a parable?

My bad, it is a parable. But it is also a true story. Jesus would never tell a story without telling the truth.

From the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia:
Etymologically the word "parable" (παραβάλλω, parabállō) signifies a placing of two or more objects together, usually for the purpose of a comparison. In this widest sense of the term there is practically no difference between parable and simile (see Thayer, Dictionary of New Testament Greek, under the word). This is also what substantially some of Christ's parables amount to, which consist of only one comparison and in a single verse (compare Matthew 13:33, 44-46). In the more usual and technical sense of the word, "parable" ordinarily signifies an imaginary story, yet one that in its details could have actually transpired, the purpose of the story being to illustrate and inculcate some higher spiritual truth. These features differentiate it from other and similar figurative narratives as also from actual history. The similarity between the last-mentioned and a parable is sometimes so small that exegetes have differed in the interpretation of certain pericopes. A characteristic example of this uncertainty is the story of Dives and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. The problem is of a serious nature, as those who regard this as actual history are compelled to interpret each and every statement, including too the close proximity of heaven and hell and the possibility of speaking from one place to the other, while those who regard it as a parable can restrict their interpretation to the features that constitute the substance of the story. It differs again from the fable, in so far as the latter is a story that could not actually have occurred (e.g. Judges 9:8ff; 2 Kings 14:9; Ezekiel 17:2f). The parable is often described as an extended metaphor. The etymological features of the word, as well as the relation of parables to other and kindred devices of style, are discussed more fully by Ed. Koenig, in Hastings, Dictionary of the Bible (five volumes), III, 660ff.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a true story because Jesus said so. There was a certain rich man, and there was a man by the name of Lazarus. The information of the story tells where the rich man went as well as where Lazarus went. Lazarus did not go immediately to heaven, but was in Paradise. This equates with what Jesus said to the thief on the cross when he told him, "this day that should be with me in paradise".

 

[terryshields]

My bad, it is a parable. But it is also a true story. Jesus would never tell a story without telling the truth.

From the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia:
Etymologically the word "parable" (παραβάλλω, parabállō) signifies a placing of two or more objects together, usually for the purpose of a comparison. In this widest sense of the term there is practically no difference between parable and simile (see Thayer, Dictionary of New Testament Greek, under the word). This is also what substantially some of Christ's parables amount to, which consist of only one comparison and in a single verse (compare Matthew 13:33, 44-46). In the more usual and technical sense of the word, "parable" ordinarily signifies an imaginary story, yet one that in its details could have actually transpired, the purpose of the story being to illustrate and inculcate some higher spiritual truth. These features differentiate it from other and similar figurative narratives as also from actual history. The similarity between the last-mentioned and a parable is sometimes so small that exegetes have differed in the interpretation of certain pericopes. A characteristic example of this uncertainty is the story of Dives and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. The problem is of a serious nature, as those who regard this as actual history are compelled to interpret each and every statement, including too the close proximity of heaven and hell and the possibility of speaking from one place to the other, while those who regard it as a parable can restrict their interpretation to the features that constitute the substance of the story. It differs again from the fable, in so far as the latter is a story that could not actually have occurred (e.g. Judges 9:8ff; 2 Kings 14:9; Ezekiel 17:2f). The parable is often described as an extended metaphor. The etymological features of the word, as well as the relation of parables to other and kindred devices of style, are discussed more fully by Ed. Koenig, in Hastings, Dictionary of the Bible (five volumes), III, 660ff.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a true story because Jesus said so. There was a certain rich man, and there was a man by the name of Lazarus. The information of the story tells where the rich man went as well as where Lazarus went. Lazarus did not go immediately to heaven, but was in Paradise. This equates with what Jesus said to the thief on the cross when he told him, "this day that should be with me in paradise".

No way, your using this strange new theory spreading that Paradise and Heaven are 2 different places. Paradise is Heaven. You may as well believe in purgatory thats another delusion created by man

 

[Laodicea]

My bad, it is a parable. But it is also a true story. Jesus would never tell a story without telling the truth.

From the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia:
Etymologically the word "parable" (παραβάλλω, parabállō) signifies a placing of two or more objects together, usually for the purpose of a comparison. In this widest sense of the term there is practically no difference between parable and simile (see Thayer, Dictionary of New Testament Greek, under the word). This is also what substantially some of Christ's parables amount to, which consist of only one comparison and in a single verse (compare Matthew 13:33, 44-46). In the more usual and technical sense of the word, "parable" ordinarily signifies an imaginary story, yet one that in its details could have actually transpired, the purpose of the story being to illustrate and inculcate some higher spiritual truth. These features differentiate it from other and similar figurative narratives as also from actual history. The similarity between the last-mentioned and a parable is sometimes so small that exegetes have differed in the interpretation of certain pericopes. A characteristic example of this uncertainty is the story of Dives and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. The problem is of a serious nature, as those who regard this as actual history are compelled to interpret each and every statement, including too the close proximity of heaven and hell and the possibility of speaking from one place to the other, while those who regard it as a parable can restrict their interpretation to the features that constitute the substance of the story. It differs again from the fable, in so far as the latter is a story that could not actually have occurred (e.g. Judges 9:8ff; 2 Kings 14:9; Ezekiel 17:2f). The parable is often described as an extended metaphor. The etymological features of the word, as well as the relation of parables to other and kindred devices of style, are discussed more fully by Ed. Koenig, in Hastings, Dictionary of the Bible (five volumes), III, 660ff.

The story of the rich man and Lazarus is a true story because Jesus said so. There was a certain rich man, and there was a man by the name of Lazarus. The information of the story tells where the rich man went as well as where Lazarus went. Lazarus did not go immediately to heaven, but was in Paradise. This equates with what Jesus said to the thief on the cross when he told him, "this day that should be with me in paradise".

You still have not answered my question. In case you missed it here it is again.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

If people go to heaven when they die then what need is there of a resurrection when Jesus returns? And why does the text mention those who sleep? I do not want opinions but Bible.

 

[Bistabuster]

I believe we go straight to Heaven when we die, and return with Jesus from Heaven at His 2nd coming

There will be no more time left when the second coming arrives. Time will end right then and there. When the seventh trumpet sounds, the world ends and Jesus reigns.

As far as when we die, where do we go? Luke 23:42-43 say that day we die.

 

[Radius]

I believe once you die you will go to heaven or hell in the spiritual form. Then later we will go back into our old bodies at Judgement Day (glorified).

As for being judged, I believe the unsaved will be judged for all of the bad they did on earth and the saved will be judged only for the good they did for Christ. The sins a Christian committed will be "burned up" and our acts will be refined in the fire and only the good will rise to the top and be rewarded -- all else will be forgotten.

 

[Radius]

You still have not answered my question. In case you missed it here it is again.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

If people go to heaven when they die then what need is there of a resurrection when Jesus returns? And why does the text mention those who sleep? I do not want opinions but Bible.

The resurrection will be of our earthly bodies we are in right now.

And I think the text is saying that we will not be asleep (unconscious) but we will be transformed into spirit form upon death and go to be with the Lord.

 

[Laodicea]

The resurrection will be of our earthly bodies we are in right now.

And I think the text is saying that we will not be asleep (unconscious) but we will be transformed into spirit form upon death and go to be with the Lord.

This is what the Bible says:-
1 Kings 2:10 KJV
(10) So David slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David.
1 Kings 11:43 KJV
(43) And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead.
1 Kings 14:31 KJV
(31) And Rehoboam slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And his mother's name was Naamah an Ammonitess. And Abijam his son reigned in his stead.
John 11:11-14 KJV
(11) These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
(12) Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
(13) Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
(14) Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
1 Corinthians 15:6 KJV
(6) After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
G2837
κοιμάω
koimaō
koy-mah'-o
From G2749; to put to sleep, that is, (passively or reflexively) to slumber; figuratively to decease: - (be a-, fall a-, fall on) sleep, be dead.

Clearly these verses refer to death as a sleep and even Jesus said death is a sleep.

 

[Laodicea]

1 Thessalonians 4:14 KJV
(14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring(lead away) with him.

This is another text that talks about death as a sleep.

 

[Bookreader]

1 Corinthians 15:51-53
(51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

You want to know the REAL problem here - Paul did not think he or others would miss the return of Christ.
Paul knew that people who died went to sleep - you've seen all the evidence about sleep in the OT which Paul believed.
But he thought, as maybe Jesus thought earlier, that Jesus' return would be within the lives of those there.

But Jesus said he didn't know when it would happen.
So why would Paul.

All death is sleep.

I ask you traditionalists
Jesus taught the gospel of the Kingdom of God.
After he died the Apostles taught the gospel of the Kingdom of God through the resurrection.
They said when we are resurrected and judged we would be as Christians allowed to live forever in the Kingdom of God (not heaven) but the Kingdom of God.
If it is heaven btw - how can sin make a comeback? no sin in heaven, the Bible says so.

Do you think a person is judged when they die?
If so why does the Bible say we are to be judged when Christ returns to earth?
Are people to be judged twice?

It's all very poor Bible reading and adherence to the catholic teaching (which the protestants kept) of the immortal soul. The traditions of men. And if you trace it back it's Greek pagan philosophy. All predicted by the apostles - but not by the glory hunting early church fathers

So good luck with that.

 

[Bookreader]

I believe once you die you will go to heaven or hell in the spiritual form. Then later we will go back into our old bodies at Judgement Day (glorified).

As for being judged, I believe the unsaved will be judged for all of the bad they did on earth and the saved will be judged only for the good they did for Christ. The sins a Christian committed will be "burned up" and our acts will be refined in the fire and only the good will rise to the top and be rewarded -- all else will be forgotten.

REALLY?
At what point are you judged in your idea of things?
When we go to heaven or hell first time?
Or when we are judged?

Are you saying God might let people into heaven now that he might put in hell in judgement?
Are you saying God might put people into hell now that he might allow into heaven in judgement?

When does this burning of sins happen? the first hell visit?

Is God changing his mind?

This is classic - I've not laughed so much for a while - thanks.