IF Money is the ROOT of EVIL, Then Why Use It Seeing What It Does To People?
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but you'll be imprisoned or shot for going against the money powers.
they stole those houses and are protected in their Racketeering, for now.
are you suggesting squatting?
i think i asked this once before.
perhaps move to the desert and live outside in a tent? some do.
learn to gather edible wild foods?
don't have a solution for you, really.
room-mates?
take care though.
they stole those houses and are protected in their Racketeering, for now.
are you suggesting squatting?
i think i asked this once before.
perhaps move to the desert and live outside in a tent? some do.
learn to gather edible wild foods?
don't have a solution for you, really.
room-mates?
take care though.
Perhaps accounts of those contributing or accessing this common wealth could be tracked by having a mark on the hand or on the forehead, thus reckoning material goods outlay and intake? Is this what may occur? It would be like having heaven right here without having to concern ourselves with the Giver of all things? Yes, this is tongue-in-cheek.
UMM Try not paying your taxes without money and see what happens. Try not paying the electric bill and see what happens. (I think those people do see money and bills owed as being real) See like it or not you still need money to be able to pay the property taxes other wise the government will take the land for back taxes owed.
As of now unemployment. But I no longer want to work in a system designed to keep me poor. So I feel I have a better chance of bringing down the system then to leave my kids a promising future. Everything I learned on a foundation that salvation is sealed in all, I will put to the test... And my God will answer me. So if the church and these "internet warriors" do not here me, I will take my message to those who have nothing else to lose. The poor and outcasts of society.
It has been referenced when Jesus taught the sons of the King are free from paying tribute (taxes), but He went on to say, "Pay them so as not to offend them." We will not be paying tribute in the Kingdom other than praising our Father for eternity, and that should be a joy for anyone! Praise our good and faithful Yahweh, Almighty, amen.
Again, this is an imagination and smart people playing off of your fear of it. Is it profitable to put a chip in 7 billion people!?
We will not even feed 7 billion. And I find the GREATEST irony in the world always looking to the sky for Christ to set up a one world government and yet REJECT any peaceful attempt to unify mankind.
We will not even feed 7 billion. And I find the GREATEST irony in the world always looking to the sky for Christ to set up a one world government and yet REJECT any peaceful attempt to unify mankind.
Understand what is written. Our God is spirit and He would be worshiped in spirit and truth. This thread leans towards giving our attention to that which is created and not to our Creator.
I know of a person who gave away all his belongings on more than one occasion. One of the times to a group of people who were trying their best to follow our Lord. They did not have funding to continue their mission. After receiving that man's goods, effectively saving their mission, they began to pray out loud in his presence that the Father would find him work, not realizing or noticing at all that the donor had no need nor desire of a job while he was doing his best to work for our Maker.[
Some here appear to be looking at the creation and ignoring the Creator. No one will ever be saved by good intentions of men for their material well-being if nothing is done for the spirit.
Worship God, and all those things will come to you also.
QUOTE=justamazed;1014702]Again, this is an imagination and smart people playing off of your fear of it. Is it profitable to put a chip in 7 billion people!?
We will not even feed 7 billion. And I find the GREATEST irony in the world always looking to the sky for Christ to set up a one world government and yet REJECT any peaceful attempt to unify mankind.[/QUOTE]
I know of a person who gave away all his belongings on more than one occasion. One of the times to a group of people who were trying their best to follow our Lord. They did not have funding to continue their mission. After receiving that man's goods, effectively saving their mission, they began to pray out loud in his presence that the Father would find him work, not realizing or noticing at all that the donor had no need nor desire of a job while he was doing his best to work for our Maker.[
Some here appear to be looking at the creation and ignoring the Creator. No one will ever be saved by good intentions of men for their material well-being if nothing is done for the spirit.
Worship God, and all those things will come to you also.
QUOTE=justamazed;1014702]Again, this is an imagination and smart people playing off of your fear of it. Is it profitable to put a chip in 7 billion people!?
We will not even feed 7 billion. And I find the GREATEST irony in the world always looking to the sky for Christ to set up a one world government and yet REJECT any peaceful attempt to unify mankind.[/QUOTE]
Leviticus 26:2-12
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.
[SUP]6[/SUP]And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.
[SUP]6[/SUP]And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
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So before we correct you with the actual usage, the original wording handed down to us from the bible, we're wrong? Essentially you're saying God is wrong, because He is the one that handed us 'the LOVE of money is the root of all evil', this is not a human saying. So, in essence, we have to ignore the bible, to answer your question, that comes from the bible, because the bible's wording is wrong, and God is wrong.
Also, you are using the American concept of the word 'love'. In ancient Greek there were various words for love, not just one. Agape was Gods love. Philagyros is the word used in the Greek... Philos... which is a different kind of love than Agape. So yes, technically, the LOVE of money is still accurate because it is 'philos' love, not 'agape' love. God is agape love.
Also, you are using the American concept of the word 'love'. In ancient Greek there were various words for love, not just one. Agape was Gods love. Philagyros is the word used in the Greek... Philos... which is a different kind of love than Agape. So yes, technically, the LOVE of money is still accurate because it is 'philos' love, not 'agape' love. God is agape love.
Romans 11:25-26
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
If ALL OF ISRAEL will be saved, then Israel is the whole world.
1 Corinthians 10:1-4
10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
UMM You also left out the intro to chapter 26 which is chapter 25 (You need to take things within their context otherwise you get way off base)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]“‘If one of your fellow Israelites becomes poor and sells some of their property, their nearest relative is to come and redeem what they have sold. [SUP]26 [/SUP]If, however, there is no one to redeem it for them but later on they prosper and acquire sufficient means to redeem it themselves, [SUP]27 [/SUP]they are to determine the value for the years since they sold it and refund the balance to the one to whom they sold it; they can then go back to their own property. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But if they do not acquire the means to repay, what was sold will remain in the possession of the buyer until the Year of Jubilee. It will be returned in the Jubilee, and they can then go back to their property.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“‘Anyone who sells a house in a walled city retains the right of redemption a full year after its sale. During that time the seller may redeem it. [SUP]30 [/SUP]If it is not redeemed before a full year has passed, the house in the walled city shall belong permanently to the buyer and the buyer’s descendants. It is not to be returned in the Jubilee. [SUP]31 [/SUP]But houses in villages without walls around them are to be considered as belonging to the open country. They can be redeemed, and they are to be returned in the Jubilee.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“‘The Levites always have the right to redeem their houses in the Levitical towns, which they possess. [SUP]33 [/SUP]So the property of the Levites is redeemable—that is, a house sold in any town they hold—and is to be returned in the Jubilee, because the houses in the towns of the Levites are their property among the Israelites. [SUP]34 [/SUP]But the pastureland belonging to their towns must not be sold; it is their permanent possession.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]“‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and are unable to support themselves among you, help them as you would a foreigner and stranger, so they can continue to live among you.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Do not take interest or any profit from them, but fear your God, so that they may continue to live among you. [SUP]37 [/SUP]You must not lend them money at interest or sell them food at a profit.[SUP]38 [/SUP]I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan and to be your God.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]“‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. [SUP]40 [/SUP]They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee.[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors. [SUP]42 [/SUP]Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]“‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. [SUP]45 [/SUP]You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. [SUP]46 [/SUP]You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]“‘If a foreigner residing among you becomes rich and any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to the foreigner or to a member of the foreigner’s clan, [SUP]48 [/SUP]they retain the right of redemption after they have sold themselves. One of their relatives may redeem them: [SUP]49 [/SUP]An uncle or a cousin or any blood relative in their clan may redeem them. Or if they prosper, they may redeem themselves. [SUP]50 [/SUP]They and their buyer are to count the time from the year they sold themselves up to the Year of Jubilee. The price for their release is to be based on the rate paid to a hired worker for that number of years.[SUP]51 [/SUP]If many years remain, they must pay for their redemption a larger share of the price paid for them. [SUP]52 [/SUP]If only a few years remain until the Year of Jubilee, they are to compute that and pay for their redemption accordingly. [SUP]53 [/SUP]They are to be treated as workers hired from year to year; you must see to it that those to whom they owe service do not rule over them ruthlessly.
(It seems God said even then there would be those who would be poor)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]“‘If one of your fellow Israelites becomes poor and sells some of their property, their nearest relative is to come and redeem what they have sold. [SUP]26 [/SUP]If, however, there is no one to redeem it for them but later on they prosper and acquire sufficient means to redeem it themselves, [SUP]27 [/SUP]they are to determine the value for the years since they sold it and refund the balance to the one to whom they sold it; they can then go back to their own property. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But if they do not acquire the means to repay, what was sold will remain in the possession of the buyer until the Year of Jubilee. It will be returned in the Jubilee, and they can then go back to their property.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“‘Anyone who sells a house in a walled city retains the right of redemption a full year after its sale. During that time the seller may redeem it. [SUP]30 [/SUP]If it is not redeemed before a full year has passed, the house in the walled city shall belong permanently to the buyer and the buyer’s descendants. It is not to be returned in the Jubilee. [SUP]31 [/SUP]But houses in villages without walls around them are to be considered as belonging to the open country. They can be redeemed, and they are to be returned in the Jubilee.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“‘The Levites always have the right to redeem their houses in the Levitical towns, which they possess. [SUP]33 [/SUP]So the property of the Levites is redeemable—that is, a house sold in any town they hold—and is to be returned in the Jubilee, because the houses in the towns of the Levites are their property among the Israelites. [SUP]34 [/SUP]But the pastureland belonging to their towns must not be sold; it is their permanent possession.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]“‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and are unable to support themselves among you, help them as you would a foreigner and stranger, so they can continue to live among you.[SUP]36 [/SUP]Do not take interest or any profit from them, but fear your God, so that they may continue to live among you. [SUP]37 [/SUP]You must not lend them money at interest or sell them food at a profit.[SUP]38 [/SUP]I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan and to be your God.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]“‘If any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, do not make them work as slaves. [SUP]40 [/SUP]They are to be treated as hired workers or temporary residents among you; they are to work for you until the Year of Jubilee.[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then they and their children are to be released, and they will go back to their own clans and to the property of their ancestors. [SUP]42 [/SUP]Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]“‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. [SUP]45 [/SUP]You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. [SUP]46 [/SUP]You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]“‘If a foreigner residing among you becomes rich and any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to the foreigner or to a member of the foreigner’s clan, [SUP]48 [/SUP]they retain the right of redemption after they have sold themselves. One of their relatives may redeem them: [SUP]49 [/SUP]An uncle or a cousin or any blood relative in their clan may redeem them. Or if they prosper, they may redeem themselves. [SUP]50 [/SUP]They and their buyer are to count the time from the year they sold themselves up to the Year of Jubilee. The price for their release is to be based on the rate paid to a hired worker for that number of years.[SUP]51 [/SUP]If many years remain, they must pay for their redemption a larger share of the price paid for them. [SUP]52 [/SUP]If only a few years remain until the Year of Jubilee, they are to compute that and pay for their redemption accordingly. [SUP]53 [/SUP]They are to be treated as workers hired from year to year; you must see to it that those to whom they owe service do not rule over them ruthlessly.
(It seems God said even then there would be those who would be poor)