There is no such thing as Sola Scriptura
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No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that the poster was misunderstanding the situation. Protestants don't pray to bibles and we don't pray to idols or statues.
The problem here is a complete failure on your part (and a good number of other protestants in here) to acknowledge your own ignorance. You don't know what's going on but instead of simply admitting that, you make up lies. You commit evil when you do that.
The problem here is a complete failure on your part (and a good number of other protestants in here) to acknowledge your own ignorance. You don't know what's going on but instead of simply admitting that, you make up lies. You commit evil when you do that.
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1. Your judging. Judging is a sin
2. Most people do know whats going on. Your church for some reason likes to use that as an excuse though. which is sad.
3. I am not a protestant. I do not protest the catholic church. That nickname given to others by your church is another major issues which causes division in Gods church.
finally. If someone is praying to a bible or bowing to it. they are worshiping it. That is what worship is.. People have many idols.. Anything that is held in reverence is an idol. You can say it is not all you want, it does not make it true.
2. Most people do know whats going on. Your church for some reason likes to use that as an excuse though. which is sad.
3. I am not a protestant. I do not protest the catholic church. That nickname given to others by your church is another major issues which causes division in Gods church.
finally. If someone is praying to a bible or bowing to it. they are worshiping it. That is what worship is.. People have many idols.. Anything that is held in reverence is an idol. You can say it is not all you want, it does not make it true.
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CJ like always im leaving the thread...never been into this stuff.
I do have a few catholic friends and know where it can go.
ONE mediator....got that? ONE. dont bear false witness yourself
there are very legitimate problems with the group you like
just as there are in other groups...face it bud. deal with it or be quiet
I do have a few catholic friends and know where it can go.
ONE mediator....got that? ONE. dont bear false witness yourself
there are very legitimate problems with the group you like
just as there are in other groups...face it bud. deal with it or be quiet
No, I don't think have. I mean, I don't really believe that you have ever really studied Catholicism, instead, I believe that you have only studied anti-Catholic proganda.
It's impossible to honestly study the history of Christianity without coming to conclusion that the Catholic Church was the religion that Jesus intended.
It's kind of like when someone claims to have studied WWII history but then denies the holocaust ever happened, anyone that really has studied WWII history knows the holocaust denier really hasn't because the evidence that the holocaust did happen is too strong.
It's impossible to honestly study the history of Christianity without coming to conclusion that the Catholic Church was the religion that Jesus intended.
It's kind of like when someone claims to have studied WWII history but then denies the holocaust ever happened, anyone that really has studied WWII history knows the holocaust denier really hasn't because the evidence that the holocaust did happen is too strong.
[h=3]Colossians 2[/h]King James Version (KJV)
2 For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
[SUP]21 [/SUP](Touch not; taste not; handle not;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
2 For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
[SUP]21 [/SUP](Touch not; taste not; handle not;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men?[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
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CJ you have the right to your opinions...i respect that. But see holocaust deniers dont deny the holocaust....they just
deny the facts that are told about it...because they know real history.
You will someday realize others have studied also....some will have studied more than you and know
you dont really know squat compared to what you should know or may learn in time. Im sure they will
treat you kindly...yet not always put up with your bossypant style which i spose is age appropriate.
No never studied anticatholic propaganda...sorry
deny the facts that are told about it...because they know real history.
You will someday realize others have studied also....some will have studied more than you and know
you dont really know squat compared to what you should know or may learn in time. Im sure they will
treat you kindly...yet not always put up with your bossypant style which i spose is age appropriate.
No never studied anticatholic propaganda...sorry
I have and thoroughly and continue to do that.
A big difference between Catholic Christians and protestants is that The Catholic Christian approach to scripture is comprehensive whereas protestants read disparate verses at random.
I built my theology by starting on page one of Genesis and building my theology in chronological order as I read through the whole Bible. Protestants just pull verses from here and there and slap them together in ways that may or may not make any sense.
A big difference between Catholic Christians and protestants is that The Catholic Christian approach to scripture is comprehensive whereas protestants read disparate verses at random.
I built my theology by starting on page one of Genesis and building my theology in chronological order as I read through the whole Bible. Protestants just pull verses from here and there and slap them together in ways that may or may not make any sense.
there is no traditions in Christ, it is love God's type that is consistent best described in 1 cor 13
1 John 4:7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1 John 4:8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1 John 4:20If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1 John 4:7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1 John 4:8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1 John 4:20If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
I'm calling your bluff. If you are up to, I'll take you on in a one and one debate. Don't accept unless you are willing to get your butt kicked (and really, really hard. I won't go easy on you and I will show no mercy. I'll tear every false and wrong idea that you propose apart and back it up with verifiable evidence. You will loose. That is a certainty.)
do yuo really think that if Christ were here today on earth that he would attend any of our man-made Churches anf if he would then why at theend of time is he seen in revelation coming down with the tabernacle from Heaven the on and only true worship place
[h=3]Hebrews 8[/h]King James Version (KJV)
8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
[h=3]Hebrews 8[/h]King James Version (KJV)
8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Don't step up if you can't keep up.
Every time you go claiming to be an expert on Catholicism future posts, I'm going to refer everyone else back to this one and point out your unwillingness to back up your claims.
And yeah, I did reveal my motive and my heart. My heart is I don't make claims I'm not willing or unable to back up and my motives is to defend truth with logic, reason and evidence, not empty assertions. You're a boaster and braggart and nothing more.
You have been exposed.
Every time you go claiming to be an expert on Catholicism future posts, I'm going to refer everyone else back to this one and point out your unwillingness to back up your claims.
And yeah, I did reveal my motive and my heart. My heart is I don't make claims I'm not willing or unable to back up and my motives is to defend truth with logic, reason and evidence, not empty assertions. You're a boaster and braggart and nothing more.
You have been exposed.
Some step up, but they are facing in the wrong direction............[QUOTE=CatholicJeremy;1016247]Don't step up if you can't keep up.
Every time you go claiming to be an expert on Catholicism future posts, I'm going to refer everyone else back to this one and point out your unwillingness to back up your claims.
And yeah, I did reveal my motive and my heart. My heart is I don't make claims I'm not willing or unable to back up and my motives is to defend truth with logic, reason and evidence, not empty assertions. You're a boaster and braggart and nothing more.
You have been exposed.[/QUOTE]
Every time you go claiming to be an expert on Catholicism future posts, I'm going to refer everyone else back to this one and point out your unwillingness to back up your claims.
And yeah, I did reveal my motive and my heart. My heart is I don't make claims I'm not willing or unable to back up and my motives is to defend truth with logic, reason and evidence, not empty assertions. You're a boaster and braggart and nothing more.
You have been exposed.[/QUOTE]
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Ok CJ...if thats really your intent...you back up your claim and provide where
i said i was an expert of anything. Or where i bragged.....ill wait
or where i said you worship idols and the rest of your false accusations while
you call others evil for the same
see you got ahead of yourself...you love to fight...your not the first one