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You have me wrong here. I believe I said that a Spiritual Gift doesn't merit superiority. And if the scripture has everything needed and the scripture teaches about gifts, should we not heed the teaching?
As for Timothy and Paul and their faith , your question seems a bit off. I have never stated that healing or any such thing requires super faith. I think I said that those with Super Spiritualism and wear a cape to show that are wrong and missing the point of the gift.
Because I believe in tongues as a gift of God doesn't mean I believe that non-believers are bad , or whatever. We just have a different opinion on the topic. We are allowed to have different opinions without jumping on the rage filled posts and war of words.
Soldier4christ
I don't know what church you go to and I don't know you or Stilly or Abiding or Zone, but either way I would never say you are not spiritual enough, nor have I seen anybody post such things on this thread. I also would never think to say that anybody attends dead churches.
I realize that there are plenty of folks that laud spirituality over others in these forums and I think that is a terrible way to behave. We are Christians and are commanded to LOVE one another. Because I believe in a Gift or Gifts of the Spirit makes me no better than someone who doesn't, rather it is something that I have witnessed and it has been used to strengthen my faith in God.
The Machine
As for Timothy and Paul and their faith , your question seems a bit off. I have never stated that healing or any such thing requires super faith. I think I said that those with Super Spiritualism and wear a cape to show that are wrong and missing the point of the gift.
Because I believe in tongues as a gift of God doesn't mean I believe that non-believers are bad , or whatever. We just have a different opinion on the topic. We are allowed to have different opinions without jumping on the rage filled posts and war of words.
Soldier4christ
I don't know what church you go to and I don't know you or Stilly or Abiding or Zone, but either way I would never say you are not spiritual enough, nor have I seen anybody post such things on this thread. I also would never think to say that anybody attends dead churches.
I realize that there are plenty of folks that laud spirituality over others in these forums and I think that is a terrible way to behave. We are Christians and are commanded to LOVE one another. Because I believe in a Gift or Gifts of the Spirit makes me no better than someone who doesn't, rather it is something that I have witnessed and it has been used to strengthen my faith in God.
The Machine
S
Funny you weren't referring to me i wasn't referring to you but some in that Camp(Denomination whatever)... either way it does not bother me, in the slightest for i have a joy that passes all understanding. and i was not referring to you or anyone here as well to bring clarity. to those that bothered to read thank you.
Has anyone recognized the move of the Holy Spirit in the southern baptist church. The ones that fought so hard against tongues as the initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Their pastors are being filled and speaking in tongues in droves. You can't stop the word of God. In the last day's I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh, your sons and your Daughters shall prophesy and the old men shall dream dreams.
Machine;
no rage filled post
and i know you believe that the practice of 'speaking in tongues' of today is biblical.
i appreciate your sincerity, that you do really believe it.
but it just isn't. i say that not because i think you're lording anything over anyone.
but just simply because the uttering of unknowable "words" (sounds) is not what happened to the disciples at Pentecost.
they spoke clearly, miraculously, even in the regional dialects of the languages of the devout jews who came for Pentecost, from the gentile lands they resided in, having grown up speaking that local language.
the miracle at Pentecost was that those few disciples of the Lord's miraculously proclaimed in their visiting kinsmen's languages the Wonderful Works of God - the Good News about Jesus Christ (some of our New Testament truths). They received Power from on High to do this, even though they were simple Galileans.
and it was understood. It amazed them all...can you imagine? it must have been something.
that was the miracle, and that is all that is meant by tongues. it's just an old word that means a known human language.
k...ttyl
no rage filled post
and i know you believe that the practice of 'speaking in tongues' of today is biblical.
i appreciate your sincerity, that you do really believe it.
but it just isn't. i say that not because i think you're lording anything over anyone.
but just simply because the uttering of unknowable "words" (sounds) is not what happened to the disciples at Pentecost.
they spoke clearly, miraculously, even in the regional dialects of the languages of the devout jews who came for Pentecost, from the gentile lands they resided in, having grown up speaking that local language.
the miracle at Pentecost was that those few disciples of the Lord's miraculously proclaimed in their visiting kinsmen's languages the Wonderful Works of God - the Good News about Jesus Christ (some of our New Testament truths). They received Power from on High to do this, even though they were simple Galileans.
and it was understood. It amazed them all
...can you imagine? it must have been something.that was the miracle, and that is all that is meant by tongues. it's just an old word that means a known human language.
k...ttyl
R
While I am not a 'cessationist' I believe, according to what I have seen is cessationism,or what I know of those who ascribe to being cessationist aka God does not move anymore/no miracles/signs/wonders. I do recall reading in certain parts of the Gospels where Jesus said a perverse and wicked Generation seeks after signs. I believe tongues is still possible,however I have seen much conterfeit revival based on emotionalism,not based upon God's word,and God's work(Jesus) it has been very much a theatrical show,very much reminiscent of Kandaliri hinduism as well. I believe we should go back to scripture, and see what the reference to tongues are/is. 1 Corinthians 14 clearly says how tongues should be implemented,and if it cannot be done in that orderly fashion,then it is not to be heard/used in the Church.
I believe that before the rapture, that lutherans will speak in tongues and methodist ( their the ones that started it in the US of A). I'm not so sure about episcopalians since they are allowing gays to be pastors. Baptist, wesleyans, and presbyterians ( if they don't start allowing gays to pastor) will be speaking in tongues.
H
I think that have been many abuses regarding speaking in tongues, particularly among those on the tube. The first time I ever heard speaking in tongues was at a black tent revival in Washington DC at age 18, and at that meeting I was saved by Gods great mercy. I was still a bit wary of speaking in tongues. I was about 6 months new in the Lord and sought the Lord about the validity and was it something to receive from His hand. I had people pray for me , lay hands on me etc. I remember laying on my bed one night and talking to God and The Lords presence filled me like I had not experienced before and out of my spirit and voice I spoke in tongues just me all by myself which I am glad that that was the way God chose to do this for me. I know that just me experiencing something does not validate it for everyone else. I recommend to talk to the Lord in prayer concerning this gift in sincerity, the most important thing we can do with our lives is to be conformed to His likeness that is our goal to be molded as clay, refined as silver, and to walk humbly before our Blessed Creator. I am not elevating tongues , my desire is to exalt Jesus Christ. Pursue Him earnestly.