Is homosexuality so bad?? Its like high school drama...

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jjkg

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To Above,

I'm not going to argue that people are not born with a tendancy of attractiveness to the opposite sex, but that, once again, is just an excuse to not have to hold oneself accountable for their actions. Because desires and a choice to fulfill those desires are two different things. Now I'm a heterosexual married man, but I do struggle with lustful thoughts sometimes. I could excuse those thoughts by saying, "Hey, that's just the way I am and that's just the way God made me so I'm just gonna go with it and fulfill the desires within me....or maybe I could possibly allow God to work within me as I struggle with desires I know are not pleasing to Him and fight them on a daily basis if necessary because there is something in me that ultimately desires to please God. I'm really tired of people who claim to be homosexual (or 'committed to any other sin, for that matter), claim God created them that way (so as to excuse their sin, whatever sin that may be), CHOOSE to fulfill those desires by allowing their lives to be conformed by it rather than by God, and then claim they are a christian. Absolutely using the grace of God as a license for immorality. Now I will say that there are homosexuals out there who struggle with it and refuse to make decisions based on those desires because they know, according to God's Word, that it is wrong and ultimately desire to please God. That, my friend, is the difference between being a christian and just claiming to be one while living a life contradictory to God's Word without the slightest bit of repentance. One has placed God above their own desires despite the struggles they may have, and the other, without any struggle at all, has placed God a close second to the fulfilling of their own desires and will (their 'true' God). And yes, we are to absolutely love everyone because without Jesus, we are all in the same boat, but love does not nor will ever mean to condone that lifestyle, or any sinful lifestyle for that matter, and just say, "It's okay, God loves you.", and allows that person to continue on the path of least resistance which ultimately leads to a dead end.
 
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Chopsui said-
"Now do you see what I mean? It might not be weight, it might be greed, lust, any thing that doesn't make you perfect. In my church there are people that anyone who goes to Church on Sunday isn't a TRUE Christian, why? Because the day was changed by the pope, who is considered the Anti Christ leading people away. And those who willingly follow the Anti Christ when in the Bible it plainly states that the 7th day is the day of rest. Then of couse you have the SUPER CHRISTANS coming back and saying well I know it is the 7th day but its just more convient to go on Sunday? Well well well what have we here, I didn't know that we only followed the rules that were CONVIENT for us. Personally I thought we had to follow them ALL the time. If we are just picking and choosing what ones we are following, then I pick from the 10 commandments 1, 3, 8, 9, and I will follow 10 every other week."


If Saturday is the 7th day of the week, then that makes Sunday the 1st, right?
Acts 20:7- "On the first day of the week (Sunday) we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people...... So is Paul and Luke part of this Anti-Christ conspiracy to have the Sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday because it seems that it didn't really begin with the Pope as these great theologians of yours claim, but that it actually began with the apostles of Jesus himself. So Paul and Luke or actually part of the devil's plan to lure everyone into a false day of worship? I never looked at it that way. Thank you for your perspective. :)
 
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JJKG: God did say something about homosexuality.

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)
Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (NIV)


Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." (NIV)
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Ok.......I think ABOVE has brought this up before, but the Leviticus laws have death penalties for other offences. People here seem to grasp at and use this one law about homosexuality. There are 19 "do nots" in a row in Leviticus 18.....even more in Lev 19. In Lev 20 are the punishments,......I count 10-11 that have death penalties. All of these fall within one chapter, yet when I ask, some claim there is a difference why god chooses death for homosexuals and why he chooses death for an adulterer. I can only accertain that god finds adultery as offensive as homosexuality. Yet I find it rare that people get so passionate about singling out Adulterers for their scorn and sanctions.
I have asked about stoning children to death who "curse their father and mother". I am told that Leviticus was meant for the Israelites, and "aliens" living among them in their lands, not christians, yet anyone who posts biblical verse to bash homosexuals uses it. Any mention of it in the new testiment surely refers to the same Leviticus laws.....So what is it?
 
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jjkg said:
And yes, we are to absolutely love everyone because without Jesus, we are all in the same boat, but love does not nor will ever mean to condone that lifestyle, or any sinful lifestyle for that matter, and just say, "It's okay, God loves you.", and allows that person to continue on the path of least resistance which ultimately leads to a dead end.
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I agree, God does not hate them but despises their sin. Throughout the bible, we can see that God hates iniquity, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor 6:9-10). An effeminate is a man that displays characteristics of a woman, thus gay people.

God is no respecter of persons; He is equitable in His judgment. Consequently, a gay person during judgment cannot tell God "I was born that way therefore I should not go to hell" because He will not listen. A lot of people will be disappointed on the day of judgment; people that thought they were on the right track will get “depart from me-I never knew you, you worker of iniquity” from God. God's standard of judgment is different from man's, which why He is the ultimate judge-the only accurate judge. He is the God of justice, of love, and also a consuming fire. His fire brings judgment to the immoral man but it builds purity and love to those who seek Him.

God loves them that He does not want them to perish but to come to repentance. He is still waiting in His throne saying "come to me", He is still giving them a chance; all they have to do is acknowledge their sins, confess, ask God for forgiveness, and He will pardon.

Though the world was in sin, God loved us so much that He sent His Son, Jesus, for our ransom. How can one neglect such great love? Every sinner deserves death; the wages of sin is death [spiritual death] but when they accept the gift of God, they will get eternal life. We are given the free will to choose life (eternal life) or death...if you love yourself (if homosexuals love themselves) they will choose life regardless of whether they were born that way or not.

I did not intend to sound insulting to anyone. :)

 
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muninsperch , you are right. I quess its acceptable now days. I need to change my view points away from the Bible and God to more secular in nature. I dont know why i even try to spread the word of God. I just get attacked.
 
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I'm fairly new to this Faith For Life. I don't see where I said anything was acceptable. I asked why the focus on the judgement of homosexuality, and not say adulterers, or disobedient children. A death sentence from God seems serious....there is no room for forgiveness there am I right? If you are not condemned on this plain I assume your reward in passing is set despite the secular view of such crimes today. I'm asking questions. If you cant answer them thats fine, the sarcasm speaks volumes. I'm sure there might be someone in here that can give me some informed help. Why do people both quote and dismiss the old testiment. Its a simple question.
 
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The sins you mentioned is bad as well. We are focused on the sin of Homosexuality because that is the topic of the tread. If you wish to discuss the other sins mentioned you can start a new thread.
 
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So true...funny skit...but still so true
 
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Do you think they CHOOSE to be gay? Yeah being gay sure has a lot of advantages:
- You get lectured all the time by mentally retarded people that you are an abomination. That rocks!
- You are more likely to get AIDS. Sooooo coool!
- You get beaten up by nazigangs. Who doesn't like that!
- You get discriminated by your co-workers. No downside to that!
- Only 5% of humankind are homosexual, so you have a much harder time finding a partner. But being alone rocks anyway!

Give me only single reason why ANYONE would CHOOSE to be homosexual. It only has disadvantages. I mean, there are even homosexual animals. Are they also corrupted by our liberal media or what do you think?

Just as some people are born blind or deaf or limp or mentally retarded or blonde or black or I don't know... some people are born gay. Or do you think the blind also CHOOSE to be blind? "Oh man, I sure hate seeing stuff. Let's stop with that."

You can't be serious with that.
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Did God condemn blindness? You're comparing apples to oranges.
 
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Do you think they CHOOSE to be gay? Yeah being gay sure has a lot of advantages:
- You get lectured all the time by mentally retarded people that you are an abomination. That rocks!
- You are more likely to get AIDS. Sooooo coool!
- You get beaten up by nazigangs. Who doesn't like that!
- You get discriminated by your co-workers. No downside to that!
- Only 5% of humankind are homosexual, so you have a much harder time finding a partner. But being alone rocks anyway!

Give me only single reason why ANYONE would CHOOSE to be homosexual. It only has disadvantages. I mean, there are even homosexual animals. Are they also corrupted by our liberal media or what do you think?

Just as some people are born blind or deaf or limp or mentally retarded or blonde or black or I don't know... some people are born gay. Or do you think the blind also CHOOSE to be blind? "Oh man, I sure hate seeing stuff. Let's stop with that."

You can't be serious with that.
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Sure, people are born gay. They don't choose to be gay. They are just born that way. And that means that our God is such an unfair God. At one place He creates people that way, and in the other place He condemns them and sends His wrath against them....

Why would anyone wanna serve an unfair God like this?? Why are you serving an unfair God???
 
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Sure, people are born gay. They don't choose to be gay. They are just born that way. And that means that our God is such an unfair God. At one place He creates people that way, and in the other place He condemns them and sends His wrath against them....

Why would anyone wanna serve an unfair God like this?? Why are you serving an unfair God???
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God did not make people homosexual; He specifically said in the bible that being gay is NOT natural.

"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet" Romans 1:27 (KJV)

"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (NIV)

God is not unfair, He is just. He will not tolerate or assign anything that is against His will. Homosexuality is against His will.

I hope this helps.:)
 
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Silex said:
Sure, people are born gay. They don't choose to be gay. They are just born that way. And that means that our God is such an unfair God. At one place He creates people that way, and in the other place He condemns them and sends His wrath against them....

Why would anyone wanna serve an unfair God like this?? Why are you serving an unfair God???
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That is a difficult answer. Being born blind is also unfair, isn't it? But it happens. Bad stuff happens to good people, that's just the way it is. Why doesn't god heal the amputees, the cripled, people with cancer... why doesn't he heal them? He sure could, but he decides not to.
When God created the world he gave it to us humans. Whatever happens on earth, we are 100% responsible for it. He will show us the way when we have problems. But he won't carry us all the way, we have to walk it for ourselfes. One day, due to the power of knowledge god gave us, we WILL be able to heal the blind, the cripled, the amputees. And maybe even the homosexual.
This has nothing to do with God being unfair. Quite the contrary: he is so fair and consequential it sometimes hurts.
 
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That is a difficult answer. Being born blind is also unfair, isn't it? But it happens. Bad stuff happens to good people, that's just the way it is. Why doesn't god heal the amputees, the cripled, people with cancer... why doesn't he heal them? He sure could, but he decides not to.
When God created the world he gave it to us humans. Whatever happens on earth, we are 100% responsible for it. He will show us the way when we have problems. But he won't carry us all the way, we have to walk it for ourselfes. One day, due to the power of knowledge god gave us, we WILL be able to heal the blind, the cripled, the amputees. And maybe even the homosexual.
This has nothing to do with God being unfair. Quite the contrary: he is so fair and consequential it sometimes hurts.
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good answer:)
 
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That is a difficult answer. Being born blind is also unfair, isn't it? But it happens. Bad stuff happens to good people, that's just the way it is. Why doesn't god heal the amputees, the cripled, people with cancer... why doesn't he heal them? He sure could, but he decides not to.
When God created the world he gave it to us humans. Whatever happens on earth, we are 100% responsible for it. He will show us the way when we have problems. But he won't carry us all the way, we have to walk it for ourselfes. One day, due to the power of knowledge god gave us, we WILL be able to heal the blind, the cripled, the amputees. And maybe even the homosexual.
This has nothing to do with God being unfair. Quite the contrary: he is so fair and consequential it sometimes hurts.
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God does not consider blindness and such a sin. Does He?

But you tell me, what does the Bible say about homosexuality?
 
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God does not consider blindness and such a sin. Does He?

But you tell me, what does the Bible say about homosexuality?
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Blindness actually it is considered as some kind of sin, and it's in Leviticus, the same passage featuring the "homosexuality is an abomnination" thing.
Lev. 21:20 states that you may not approach the altar of God if you have a defect in your sight. That pretty much makes everybody who takes the housel and needs glasses or is blind a sinner.
Don't get me wrong. Of cause I don't believe that those people are sinners. But I just try to explain why your kind of logic is wrong. Leviticus features the weirest rules and punishments, but the only one people care about is te homosexuality thing.
 
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If you are comparing being blind to being gay, then are you saying that being gay is a birth defect, explaining the theory that gay people don't choose to be gay but are born gay, and since it's a birth defect, like blindness..hopefully there will be a cure for it?
 
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That is exactly what I mean! Finally someone who understands what I am trying to say, thank you. =)
 
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Blindness is also not the issue here. You need to start new threads for new topics. No matter if you think homosexuality is or is not a birth defect. We answered the origional question.
 
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Blindness actually it is considered as some kind of sin, and it's in Leviticus, the same passage featuring the "homosexuality is an abomnination" thing.
Lev. 21:20 states that you may not approach the altar of God if you have a defect in your sight. That pretty much makes everybody who takes the housel and needs glasses or is blind a sinner.
Don't get me wrong. Of cause I don't believe that those people are sinners. But I just try to explain why your kind of logic is wrong. Leviticus features the weirest rules and punishments, but the only one people care about is te homosexuality thing.
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1) Blindness isn't considered any kind of sin. Lev.21 passage does not say that blindness etc. is a sin. What it does say is that no man of the descendants of Aaron the priest, who has a defect should make the offering to God. This means that blindness isn't a sin, but if such a blind man would make that offering, then he was sinning. And if his blind man made an offering, he would be sinning as much as a perfectly fit man who would make this offering if he wasn't a descendant of Aaron.

You've just taken Lev. 21 out of context.

Like I asked earlier, you tell me (and please guys, don't answer on his behalf) what the Bible says about homosexuality. Read both the Old Testament and the New Testament and tell me whats written there about homosexuality.
 
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The rule was for all the Israelites
Leviticus 21:24- So Moses told this to Aaron and his sons and all the Israelites. A priest could have no defects period. The wording looks to be directions for priests attending the altar to keep those with defects from the altar.
 
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