In the beginning...

[NazariteNation]

This is a great point and one brought out by Jack Cuozzo, an othrodontist who spent years studying the old fossils, looking at the teeth to try to give an indicator of their age. He intended to add another plank under the platform of evolution but instead discovered all these fossils appeared, at least by the mouth, to be humans who were indeed several hundred years old. He wrote the book "Buried Alive", I highly highly recommend it for research, it has some great insight, although it is a pretty dry read. (he's a tooth doctor, not a writer)

The Bible also speaks of the time "when giants roamed the earth" I don't think that's referring to large men, like goliath, but the dinosaurs, etc. Our dating methods are such a joke that you can't look at carbon dating to give an accurate timeline of when these existed.

I agree completely. Another point to be made is how they have found numerous fragments of adult neanderthal (cavemen) skeletons yet they have yet to find the skeleton of one child or infant. Considering the fatality rate due to tough living conditions of human children up until the last couple of centurues, surely Neanderthals would have had the same problem.

 

[markhelp]

God bless,

An interesting discovery in Biblical research regarding Genesis 1:1-3 is that in the original Aramaic, there is no verb form "to be." There is however, a verb form "to become."
What this means is that , the word "was" is really the word "became."

To explain; God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning. This creation was absolutely perfect....because God is perfect.
But something happened between verses one and two which caused God's original creation [which was perfect] to become without form and void and darkness. So verse 2 should read, "and the earth was [became] without....."

Throughout the Bible in the Old and New Testaments God gave us a peek into what happened.
Between Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2.....took place the attempted usurpation of God's throne by Lucifer, the angel of light. The war in heaven was so cataclysmic, that God's original creation [Gen. 1:1] fell into ruin.
Lucifer and one-third of the angels of heaven were cast out.
Gen. 1:3 starts where God started putting everything back in order.
This is why it says, "and God said," "and God said," "and God said,"
It doesn't say, "and God created," "and God created," "and God created,"

He already created everything in Genesis 1:1
All He had to do now was "speak" to put everything back in order.

I hope this bleeses you. This is what the Aramaic teaches us.

 

[Aussie_Gurl]

I think the dinosaurs where he before God put order on the earth... it be cool to know when the dinosaurs where roaming the earth

 

[onwingsaseagles]

Maybe darkness is metaphorical? Cavemen WERE NOT around when the Dinosaurs were on the Earth Common misconception.

Dinosaurs were around the same time as men all land animal were created on the 6th day just like man.

 

[onwingsaseagles]

I think the dinosaurs where he before God put order on the earth... it be cool to know when the dinosaurs where roaming the earth

Job saw and described dinosaurs, check out chapters 40 and 41 the behemoth and the leviathan.

Also check out answers in Genesis with Ken Ham.

 

[jerrywlo]

Thanks Mark. It is really helpfull.

However the "cataclism" had, I think, nothink to do with Lucifer as the flood during Noah time. Both, if the cataclism is true, were caused by God.

The word "Lucifer" appears only one time in a limited number of translations in Isa 14:12. On careful reading we find that this chapter is predicting a fall, which really took place, of a king of Babylon.

God bless

 

[bananaboo4]

Well, there was more than 2 types of dinosaurs...... Wasn't there? Or just maybe there was only 2 types where Job was from? *shrugs*

 

[onwingsaseagles]

Well, there was more than 2 types of dinosaurs...... Wasn't there? Or just maybe there was only 2 types where Job was from? *shrugs*

Yes there were 2 types of Dinosaurs but not every type of animal is mentioned in the Bible. There is no reason to think that every type of dinosaur would be.

 

[bananaboo4]

Well, true.... thanks for making that come to my realization!

 

[WhereToGo]

2 interesting things relating to this topic are when Cain goes off to Nod and finds a wife (gen 4:16-17), where did those people come from? They obviously were there, and once Cain had a child he started building cities.

The other one is the beginning of Genesis 6:1-4. Are the sons of God children of adam or what? If so, then who are the daughters of men? If the daughters of men are the children of adam, then who are the sons of God? Then you have the giants thrown in, and mans years being limited, all in those 4 verses.

These are two that really get me perplexed sometimes...

 

[griz]

Haha, hmmm I remember an old scotsman who used to live in his van by a beach I used to frequent, we got chatting about the Bible, and he goes "you know somethin Robbie? I used to be a choir boy back in Scotland, I loved it and the bible but can YOU tell me somethin that my Priest couldnta tell me? Where the heaven did Cain get his wife from? now you tell me that sunny boy...

 

[griz]

2 interesting things relating to this topic are when Cain goes off to Nod and finds a wife (gen 4:16-17), where did those people come from? They obviously were there, and once Cain had a child he started building cities.

The other one is the beginning of Genesis 6:1-4. Are the sons of God children of adam or what? If so, then who are the daughters of men? If the daughters of men are the children of adam, then who are the sons of God? Then you have the giants thrown in, and mans years being limited, all in those 4 verses.

These are two that really get me perplexed sometimes...

Hmm your not talking about the Nephilim are you? Haha that reminds me of a time a friend and I purposed to read the bible from Cover to cover didnt even get past Gen 6 because of the Nephilim, we started our study at 6pm and 12hours later, we went right off on a tangent! Very perplexing indeed. I don't even try and go there now. hahaha

 

[onwingsaseagles]

2 interesting things relating to this topic are when Cain goes off to Nod and finds a wife (gen 4:16-17), where did those people come from? They obviously were there, and once Cain had a child he started building cities.

The other one is the beginning of Genesis 6:1-4. Are the sons of God children of adam or what? If so, then who are the daughters of men? If the daughters of men are the children of adam, then who are the sons of God? Then you have the giants thrown in, and mans years being limited, all in those 4 verses.

These are two that really get me perplexed sometimes...

To answer you first question. No where in the Bible does it say that Cain found his wife in Nod it simply say he went to Nod and there knew his wife and conceived a son. The likelyhood of the subject is that he was married to his wife even before he killed Able and she went to Nod with him not that he found her in Nod.


To answer you 2nd question both the sons of God and daughters of men were descendant from Adam.
#1 The Sons of God were descendant from Adam through Seth.
#2 The Daughters of men wwere descendant from Adam through Cain or any of his other children.

 

[WhereToGo]

To answer you first question. No where in the Bible does it say that Cain found his wife in Nod it simply say he went to Nod and there knew his wife and conceived a son. The likelyhood of the subject is that he was married to his wife even before he killed Able and she went to Nod with him not that he found her in Nod.

True enough, but then who were the people in the land of Nod that such a city existed for him to go there with his wife? I just don't understand where those people came from...

 

[onwingsaseagles]

True enough, but then who were the people in the land of Nod that such a city existed for him to go there with his wife? I just don't understand where those people came from...

Show me what people you are talking about. What chapter or verse does it say anyone existed in Nod before Cain?

 

[WhereToGo]

It says he went to dwell in the land. Why would there be a land called Nod if no one lived there? Wouldn't he just go off into the wilderness and build a city then? By naming the place it seems to show there were inhabitants there.

 

[prayerwarrior1965]

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[prayerwarrior1965]

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[NoahsDad]

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Jer 4:29 The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein.
This indicates that this wasnt the flood of noah but a time before it.And god is using this as a warning to Judah ,As if to say "I did it once I'll do it to you as well so watch your P's and Q's.so to speak
Now look at what God tells Isaiah
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
notice that the word Vain in this verse is the same as the word void in the verse in Genisis and Jeremiah
to'-hoo
From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of surface), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness.
Hmmmmmm kinda makes you rethink the 6000 year theory dont it?
maybe This time has only been 6000 years but Not all of them all together
Could it be only 6000 years After the flood of Noah?

 

[WhereToGo]

Hmmmmmm kinda makes you rethink the 6000 year theory dont it?
maybe This time has only been 6000 years but Not all of them all together
Could it be only 6000 years After the flood of Noah?

Well timelines can be misleading, because there is no record of how long adam lived in the garden before the fall. It could have been 1 billion years for all we know, we just know that at some point, he did fall.

6000 years since the flood would be pretty accurate I think, give or take a few.