True Born Again Christians Have Eternal Security

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svedbygrace said:
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What scripture says a Believer can jump out of Christ's Hand ? Thats like saying a Sheep can jump out out of the protection of the Shepherd, if that were the case, the Shepherd is at fault, for He is 100% responsible for the care of the Sheep !
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The prodigal son left his father, did he not?
How about the parable of the lost sheep?
The lost coin?

Jesus said no man can pluck the sheep out of His hand but He didn't say the sheep couldn't wander away and become lost again. Our free will remains intact after salvation.

 
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Now you're performing Scriptural acrobatics.
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It appears to me you are charging the Shepherd of the Sheep with irresponsibility and carelessness ! If an Sheep leaves from His Care, He is to blame !


BTW, The Shepherd of the Sheep is Christ. Jn 10:2

But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
 
I know one sure way to loos you salvation.

Rv14:9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


Revelation 2:26 - And he that overcomes, and keeps my works to the end, to him will I give power over the nations
Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things
 
The prodigal son left his father, did he not?
How about the parable of the lost sheep?
The lost coin?
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Not after they had been found. The Lost Sheep was found by the Shepherd Lk 15:3-7

And he spake this parable unto them, saying,

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

When He found it and layeth it on His Shoulders that denotes His Protection of the found Sheep that WAS LOST, now if that Sheep is again Lost, its His Fault, He is blameworthy !
 
jinx said:
So, according to OSAS I can live like the devil and die a saint?
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A New Creature cannot live like the devil, for He is born of God. 1 Jn 3:9

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God
 
peterT said:
I know one sure way to loos you salvation.

Rv14:9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


Revelation 2:26 - And he that overcomes, and keeps my works to the end, to him will I give power over the nations
Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things
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Peter, that Passage of Scripture is talking about a man in the time of Jacob's trouble.

It's not talking about a Christian in the Church Age. Once the Rapture happens, the Church Age is over and the time of Jacob's trouble begins.
 
Rv14:9And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.


Revelation 2:26 - And he that overcomes, and keeps my works to the end, to him will I give power over the nations
Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things
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Not one of those verses states that a person can loose their Salvation !
 
svedbygrace said:
Not after they had been found. The Lost Sheep was found by the Shepherd Lk 15:3-7

And he spake this parable unto them, saying,

4 What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?

5 And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing.

6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.

7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
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Well the moral of the parable is that a believer can become lost again wherein they would have to repent and return to the Lord. The prodigal son was characterised as dead (spiritually) while he was in the pigsty. Luke 15:24 "For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry". Therefore Jesus did not teach unconditional eternal security. It's a myth.


When He found it and layeth it on His Shoulders that denotes His Protection of the found Sheep that WAS LOST, now if that Sheep is again Lost, its His Fault, He is blameworthy !
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Are you saying that God is liable for our actions? If a believer backslides tomorrow it's God's fault?

 
ChosenbyHim said:
Peter, that Passage of Scripture is talking about a man in the time of Jacob's trouble.

It's not talking about a Christian in the Church Age. Once the Rapture happens, the Church Age is over and the time of Jacob's trouble begins.
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I would like you to show that from scripture lol
 
svedbygrace said:
A New Creature cannot live like the devil, for He is born of God. 1 Jn 3:9

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God
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Then explain all of the verses in post numbers 263, 259, and 256? Why are there so many places in the bible that says we can loose our salvation, be cut off, and fall from your secure position if ​it wasn't true? And please don't tell me it is a lie, don't redirect the conversation/question..... just answer why the bible says it in MANY places that we can loose out with GOD.

Mat_10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
 
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.



too many scriptures to tell us we can loose out with GOD, but really.... how many does it take? should only take ONE.
 
ChosenbyHim said:
Hello there church, the Hebrews 10 passage is talking about a Jew in the time of Jacob's trouble who takes the mark of the beast after they had received the love of the truth. You see there is no eternal security in the time of Jacob's trouble. Only the 144,000 Jews from the twelve tribes of the children of Israel. (See Revelation 7).

Also, the passage in 2 Peter 2:20-22 is talking about false prophets who knew of the truth, they knew of the way of salvation. But they never git saved. You have to read the whole passage to get the full context. Those two passages therefore do not prove that a Christian can lose his salvation. Today in the Church Age, Christians are sealed by the Holy Ghost (Eph. 1:13 & 4:30) Plus we are members of Christ's Body (1 Cor. 12:27) And we are bone of His bone and flesh of His flesh ( Eph. 5:30).
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WRONG.
As I stated before, the Greek word for knowledge used in these passages is not the usual word, gnosis. It is Epignosis, which is a full, experiential knowledge. The passages are talking about real true believers who fell away.

Try again.
 
ChurchAuthority said:
WRONG.
As I stated before, the Greek word for knowledge used in these passages is not the usual word, gnosis. It is Epignosis, which is a full, experiential knowledge. The passages are talking about real true believers who fell away.

Try again.
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Nope, you are wrong. That passage is clearly dealing with people who were never genuinely saved, Think about it, they are referred to as dogs and sows (pigs). The people of God are never compared to dogs or pigs. God's people are sheep.

 
Peace be with you, all born again Christian are saved who have come in according to the invitation of GOD who want to make peace with us through CHRIST. That is why HE gave us this gift to believe and have faith (by grace and through faith). JESUS is the 'Gate' (MESSIAH) to the FATHER's Kingdom. The HOLY SPIRIT (HELPER) is the 'Gate Keeper', by revelation of HIS Inspired Scripture and our respond in faith to the Good News, HE opens the gate for us. We have come into GOD's spiritual Kingdom and are finally saved for eternity.
But many do not notice or forget there is a narrow and windy road with its cross roads ahead of them that they may continue on, abiding to the instruction signs that read at the Gate. This signs assuredly leads to the FATHER's house of rest, which the sign also say, is very difficult to follow due to various wild animals in all color, shapes and sizes. The Gate Keeper also given as Teacher and Guide (HOLY SPIRIT) have been explaining and reminding according to the signs to move forward on this road that will lead them home to rest for eternity.
In ignorance many have taken the cross roads ignoring the Gate Signs and Gate Keeper. Servants have been sent to lead the stray back but again in ignorance drawn to this wild animals which were pretending to be tame and cute have tricked them to remain until an appointed time to devour. Meantime the Gate Keeper and the Servants are grieving for the stray, keep on reminding them the Gate Signs which are truly significant to continue.
All Honor, All Praise and All Glory be to GOD, I AM that I AM forever and ever, Amen.
 
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Peace be with you, the 'Instruction Signs' they must abide, is the teachings and commandments of CHRIST and also CHRIST the HOLY SPIRIT's guided instructions of the Servant Apostles to the church. CHRIST is same yesterday, today and tomorrow, Amen.
 
jinx

Then explain all of the verses in post numbers 263, 259, and 256?
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You explain them, you brought them them here. I am not going to do your job !

Not one of those verses say a Believer can loose their Salvation, so there is nothing for me to explain, thats on you !
 
jinx

too many scriptures to tell us we can loose out with GOD
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You have not shown one scripture that states a Believer, a Born again one, can loose their Salvation. In Fact, I have showed you that one who is born of God cannot sin ! 1 Jn 3:9

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God

The Seed of God will remain in him ! Thats the Holy Spirit who will remain in them forever ! The Spirit is to them a Life operating principle within them.

Jesus mentioned this Life Principle of the Spirit in them here Jn 4:14

But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
 
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