5 Atheist Questions Christans Can't Answer

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Grey

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If Yahweh wanted to, could he create an object so heavy even he couldn't lift it?
 
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Grey

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#43
Actually thats a question about the Omnipotence Paradox...
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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#44
Actually thats a question about the Omnipotence Paradox...
Yeah, I'm familiar with it, as well as the predecessor version of it: "Can God deny Himself"? Perhaps it was a serious thought by the original proponents, but nowadays, it's usually a half-witted question with no substance nor actual seeking of truth.
 
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Grey

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#45
I actually spent quite a bit of time thinking about it.
 
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ChristReconcilesAll

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#46
God is not evil. God created evil. Everything comes from God.

"out of Him and through Him and for Him is all" (Romans 11:36)

"Former of light and Creator of darkness, Maker of good and Creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

“I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.” (Ecclesiastes 1:13)

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Siberian_Khatru

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#47
I actually spent quite a bit of time thinking about it.
Oh I meant no offense by the general statement. The question just strikes me as a roundabout qualification.
 
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Grey

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#48
Oh I meant no offense by the general statement. The question just strikes me as a roundabout qualification.
Perhaps, but we're talking about a thing that is all powerful and apparently created everything, we should ponder as much as humanly possible on such an idea.
 
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hattiebod

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#49
Perhaps, but we're talking about a thing that is all powerful and apparently created everything, we should ponder as much as humanly possible on such an idea.
It probably will seem like a cop out but we are human, God is omnipotent...we will never fully understand Him. We can only understand a very small part, enough. Our faith is not on what we 'see' or diluted by what we cannot understand. God is...and that is more than enough. <><
 
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ThomasLady

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#50
Eventually, through logical thought and free will, we will, scientifically speaking, understand "God". The world will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord, and the lion will lay down with the lamb.... Saying we can never fully understand Him is a weak statement unworthy of being associated with Him. Progress will be made in increments, most not revealing Him as He truly is, but these Next Steps will continue to occur whether most people doubt or believe.


And to stress, although I use HE and Him to refer to "God", this entity we seek does not exist as an object in space and time. Shame that the Bible often presents Him that way
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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Grey said:
Perhaps, but we're talking about a thing that is all powerful and apparently created everything, we should ponder as much as humanly possible on such an idea.
Fair enough. :)

Eventually, through logical thought and free will, we will, scientifically speaking, understand "God".
How do you figure?

And to stress, although I use HE and Him to refer to "God", this entity we seek does not exist as an object in space and time. Shame that the Bible often presents Him that way
How else would you [less shamefully] present Him?
 
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oOfallen_angelOo

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If Yahweh wanted to, could he create an object so heavy even he couldn't lift it?
Why would he want to?

You see,

Everything that is done has to be according to God's will; if he doesn't will it, then it will not be.

Thus, if he randomly created an object he couldn't lift, there would have to be will of it. If there is no will, then it will never be. For God acts according to his will or else he would contradict himself.

Besides, God could will that the object not ever be lifted, and then will that the object be lifted.

God is Almighty; if it's according to his will, then it will be done.

That's what messes up this little paradox up here, because God accomplishes both ideas of having an object he wills to not be lifted, and also the same object can be lifted.

Nice try - but this question is tired :)
 
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oOfallen_angelOo

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Eventually, through logical thought and free will, we will, scientifically speaking, understand "God". The world will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord, and the lion will lay down with the lamb.... Saying we can never fully understand Him is a weak statement unworthy of being associated with Him. Progress will be made in increments, most not revealing Him as He truly is, but these Next Steps will continue to occur whether most people doubt or believe.


And to stress, although I use HE and Him to refer to "God", this entity we seek does not exist as an object in space and time. Shame that the Bible often presents Him that way
Indeed;

What seems to be ignored, is that we need to understand enough to understand God's salvation work; if we don't, we can't get salvation.

A friend of mine is an atheist, and I love the way she words it:

" I don't believe in God, because it is unfair that we have no way of understanding if God is true or not, yet we are going to be put in hell for not believing? How can God punish us if he never made a way for us to understand?"

Excellent point;

If God truly exist, God will eventually reveal enough on our behalf for us to understand; this was done through Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ said it will be done again by 2nd Coming Christ.

The idea is that when Christ comes again, we will be beamed up the heaven; this is false, because if there is no clear way of understanding God, how will we understand what we must do to reach heaven? A lot of people believe that God's salvation work was complete by Jesus Christ, and we get a free pass to heaven from there on - but if Jesus's sacrifice made us righteous...why are we not in heaven?

There is more to be done, and more to be revealed in our generation for our understanding. God is aware of onslaught of human philosophy, falsehood in the churches, and engraving of mankind's traditions on God's directed traditions; the idols that have been casted and block our spiritual sight.

How can there ever be faith on the earth, when there are no ground for faith anywhere?

The Bible speaks of our time as the " scattered sheep," who have been left as food to the beasts of the wilderness because there is no true Shepard; thus God says he would come as the true Shepard.

So, we have to seek 2nd Coming Christ essentially, in order for a understanding to be gained of God, or else we're left thrown to the wolves of falsehood and humanism.

Christians are so eagerly awaiting judgment day, but how can one be so safe in their spiritual position, when easily one can look around and see the truth of God has been lost? The way to salvation blocked?

The Atheist ( oddly enough,) see this reality quite clear, which is why they can beat down on Christianity so much; so then, why are the Christians so oblivious to the obvious?
 
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HollyLoree

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#54

Questions Christians Can't Answer​


1.) Why would God place a forbidden tree in the garden so close to his innocent creation and allow Satan to tempt them into eating from it, all the while looking on without doing a thing to prevent it?

Genesis 2: 17

" but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it, you will surely die."

A common response is that God placed the tree of knowledge in the garden of Eden, to give mankind freewill. Freewill was actually already inherently given after the creation; Adam and Eve were not puppets or manipulated; they freely did as they wished in the Garden of Eden. What God gave Adam and Eve, was a commandment - a simple one, do not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil; they were even warned by God, what would happen if they ate of the tree anyway, and that was death.

Both Adam and Eve knew the consequences beforehand, and had the freedom of will to obey or disobey. However, this is not a matter of freewill; God intended for Adam and Eve to eat from the tree, or else it would have never been placed in the garden. God knew way ahead of time that they would eat of it; God knew the Devil would tempt them...God created the Devil. God was in control of this entire enfolding of events and still is.

Some may think God cruel, but actually God began his perfecting of his creations the moment we, ( Adam and Eve represent the sinners on Earth metaphorically,) sinned. But why did God intend for us to consume the fruits of good and evil?

For our own understanding.

Take a look at life on Earth; my roommate is an Atheist, and she even noticed that the Earth consist of two outstanding forces; Good and Evil. Evil cannot be identified without Good, and Good cannot be understood without evil. Had the " tree" of knowledge never been consumed, how ignorant would we have been to everything? The Devil even toyed with Adam and Eve by making it seems as if God was hiding something from us; God wasn't hiding anything, God wanted us to gain the knowledge so we could be made into wholesome beings. We would have been like robots, forced to love God even though we could never truly understand love, for we never would have understood God's good, without witnessing the Devil's evil, which brings us to the next question;



2.)Since Adam and Eve didn’t know right from wrong before eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, why did God then punish them for something they didn’t understand they were doing?

Okay, using this atheist's " logical" thinking -

Doesn't it mean that every single parent who has ever scolded, spanked, or punished their young child for doing something wrong, before that child knew it was wrong - is a wicked evil person? Mr. Atheist...your mom is so cruel for smacking you on the hand the first time you did something wrong. How dare she scold you and punish you so that you can gain the wisdom and insight to discern what is good and what is evil.

Worst mother in the world.

God is our FATHER / MOTHER, meaning PARENTS. We are spiritually children; Galatians, John, 1 John - tons of books in the Bible call God's people, " God's CHILDREN," and children need praise ( blessings,) and refinement ( punishment,) in order to be shaped into decent functioning beings. We do not get angry at the human parents who put their child in time out for bad behaviors the young child does not understand at first - so why is everyone trying to huff and puff at God for treating God's children the same way?

Had God not punished Adam and Eve - figuratively whom are the sinners on Earth; how would the sinners have known sin? How would we have known wrong and right? Good and Evil? We would have never known, which there would have been no point in our existence if all God wanted were brainless robots who cluelessly bowed down to a God they never could understand. God just allowed us understanding; is that really a terrible thing? Or a very necessary thing?

Notice to, that the forbidden tree was called, " The Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil."

Do you believe it was a coincedence that we come to learn of Good and Evil during our trial on earth, and the " tree " was named for this circumstance? Really...think about it...why are we really here on this planet...?



I think these first two questions are extremely valid. The others I feel come from faulty reasoning, but of course, that's just my opinion. Again, however, the first two I think reveal that we as Christians don't fully understand scriptures.
 
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HollyLoree

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#55
Perhaps, but we're talking about a thing that is all powerful and apparently created everything, we should ponder as much as humanly possible on such an idea.
Well what I think we should not do is to draw conclusions about issues we don't understand or know enough about to draw firm conclusions. Christians do that all the time: saying, God did this or that for such and such reasons when we just plain don't know enough to form firm conclusions about a ton of stuff. I'm talking about issues Christians (all believers) battle over endlessly, issues that have divided the body of Christ over 2,000 (denominations) different ways from Sunday.
 
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Hello,

I would not answer an atheist such questions if he only likes fear mongering other people.
 
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oOfallen_angelOo

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Hello,

I would not answer an atheist such questions if he only likes fear mongering other people.
I answer them partly because I was an atheist a little while ago, and I wanted answers. Also, these questions can really hurt people's faith if they are asked; I've been asked these by others at my church and I want to be able to provide a decent answer to defend against them.

Atheists are the leasts of the argument problems though; surprisingly enough the Christians have been doing all the persecuting lately.
 
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oOfallen_angelOo

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Well what I think we should not do is to draw conclusions about issues we don't understand or know enough about to draw firm conclusions. Christians do that all the time: saying, God did this or that for such and such reasons when we just plain don't know enough to form firm conclusions about a ton of stuff. I'm talking about issues Christians (all believers) battle over endlessly, issues that have divided the body of Christ over 2,000 (denominations) different ways from Sunday.

The division was the work of Satan; Jesus explains in the weeds and wheat how the enemy would sow his seed after Jesus and the aposltes died.

That seed was the massive church authority at that time, which gave birth to the Reformation and various denominations.

The Bible tells us to both seek God ( meaning seek answers,) and to test the spirits that claim they are of God, because there are many false prophets.

We cannot just sit aside and allow ourselves to be spoon fed by whatever ritzy pastor or seemingly knowledgable Christians comes our way;

wolves in sheep's clothing, will devour us in this case.

It's not easy, and I did fall into atheism for questioning the truth of God after hearing so many dead - end, and uncertain fallacies presented by the greater Christian ideaology. However, I found God again, though this time ha ha -

I'm so blessed, but I had no idea how incredibly deep God really was; and it's not even a shaving off the tip of the spiritual ice berg :p
 
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livingepistle

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#59
But God is omniscient couldn't he see that this would happen? Why not just send Jesus down from the getgo?
Part A
“Why have children?”, because a woman and a man chose to. "Is the world corrupt?” yes it is. "Is there a chance that the child may grow up and decide to be a criminal?” yes again. "Is it possible that the child will be famous?” yes. Therefore, when parents decide to have children it is their choice if they want to participate in bringing new life into this world. According to their rational, the joys outweigh the disappointments—they make babies.

Unlike natural parents, God knows who will be good and who will be bad. He knows how many will be saved and how many will not. "So, should he deny the good ones an opportunity to live and enjoy His gift of life?” you decide. While you ponder that question, consider this, Jesus only came to save the good seed of humanity, yet justly giving everyone an opportunity to receive eternal life.

Part B

The business of God concerning his creation operates according to His laws as Creator. He who has the power makes the rules; that is a law. :) "Will you allow anyone else to rule your house, room, or space?” judging from your Avatar I doubt that you would. :)

God has given us insight into His personality: love, wrath, justice, and longsuffering. Too often, women and men focus on His love. They believe that because we have "choice" it is our right to dominate, rule, and live any way we chose without consequences, while others act out as spoiled and tell God let me live the way I like. The wages of sins is death; that is His law for all self-aware beings.

This subject is much broader and involved but I am willing to continue if you are.

:)
 
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Grey

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Why would he want to?

You see,

Everything that is done has to be according to God's will; if he doesn't will it, then it will not be.

Thus, if he randomly created an object he couldn't lift, there would have to be will of it. If there is no will, then it will never be. For God acts according to his will or else he would contradict himself.

Besides, God could will that the object not ever be lifted, and then will that the object be lifted.

God is Almighty; if it's according to his will, then it will be done.

That's what messes up this little paradox up here, because God accomplishes both ideas of having an object he wills to not be lifted, and also the same object can be lifted.

Nice try - but this question is tired :)


"Why would he want to"? That isn't the question

So you're saying he can contradict himself if he wants to?