There is no such thing as Sola Scriptura

[homwardbound]

No I don't remember that part, quite honestly, bro. But the way I do it is like this. As soon as I start to get tempted to do something that I know will offend our Lord, like perve or GET ANGRY!!, or talk dirty etc etc, I turn to anything righteous and concentrate on it, like the Holy Bible, praise and worship music, look to the sky and talk to the Lord and ask Him to guide me through it. It works every time bro. He has never left me alone when I called on Him. I almost let it slip tonight, but the Lord had my back man lol. Satan works in places and people you least expect him to. Even christian websites. Trust me lol

I am so elated you see the wiles of the devil in understanding the following verse
[h=3]Galatians 6:8[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
As a man thinks so is he period no ands ifs or buts, man sincerely Brother you are being tested to not have the Love of God, yet you do continue

 

[7seven7]

OH MAN!!!! 3am!!! I gotta be up in 2 hours lol PLEASE PRAY FOR ME GUYS!! God bless you all!!

 

[secularhermit]

Soli Deo Glory...

"...the Oral Tradition that was first given to Moses from God at Mt. Sinai..."

Once that "oral" was addressed, the OT (Old Testament) itself says Moses started TO WRITE it down.

God wrote the 1st manuscript and Moses broke those (or that) tablets made of stones and ASKED MOSES to re-type what HE HAS DONE before... (I wish I had been there to preach on Moses´ mistake)

 

[7seven7]

I am so elated you see the wiles of the devil in understanding the following verse
Galatians 6:8

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
As a man thinks so is he period no ands ifs or buts, man sincerely Brother you are being tested to not have the Love of God, yet you do continue

Where would I be right now if Christ gave up as they tortured Him? And what good would I be as a Christian if I were to give up?? Its really quite simple for me now. After all He endured for my salvation, the VERY LEAST I can do in return is love His own!!! Your love is contageous, Homward!!! God bless you, brother!!

 

[homwardbound]

Rev. 12:1 is what is known as a polyvalent symbol. A polyvalent symbol can have multiple meanings.

First of all, Rev. 12:1 is preceded by Rev. 11:19. In case you're unaware, chapter and verse were not added by the Church until the Middle Ages. Each Book was simply written as a long letter.

In Rev. 11:19, we read:
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a violent hailstorm.

In the very next verse - we see the Ark being described:
Rev. 12:1-2
A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.

Mary is the Ark of the NEW Covenant (Jesus). She carried the 2nd Person of the Trinity in her womb, who is GOD. The old Ark vanished because it was merely a SYMBOL of the New Ark that was to come.

Here is the Biblical PROOF that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant:

The Word was written by God on Tablets of Stone (Ex. 25:10) placed inside the Ark (Deut. 10:1)
The Word of God became Flesh (John 1) conceived inside Mary (Luke 2:38) Mary carried the Word of God.

[The New Covenant] will not be like the covenant that... they broke though I was their husband (Jer. 31:31)
The Holy Spirit (God) is Mary's spouse (Luke 1:35)

"Who am I that the Ark of my Lord should come to me?" (2 Sam. 6:9)
“Who am I that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” (Luke 1:43)

When the Ark carrying the Word of God returned “David was leaping and dancing before the Lord” (2 Sam. 6:14)
When Mary came into Elizabeth's presence carrying the word of God, the baby “leaped for joy” in Elizabeth's womb (Luke 2 38)

The Ark carrying the Word of God is brought to the house of Obed-Edom for 3 months, where it was a blessing. (2 Sam. 6:11)
Mary (the new Ark) carrying the Word of God goes to Elizabeth's house for 3 months, where she is a blessing (Luke 1:56)

The Ark is captured (1 Sam 4:11) and brought to a foreign land and later returns (1 Sam 6:13)
Mary (the new Ark) is exiled to a foreign land (Egypt) and later returns (Mat 2:14)

Wow!!!!! Iam sorry but that is agreat twist of words and is waht I call Cherry picking out of Context. Using verses outof the context of scripture. It is obvious whenone just takes one verse and reads at least 25 verses before and after.
Context is absolutely important. I can pull scripture from here and over there and again from somewhere else and be very convincing
Thanks but no Thanks

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, she did.
Her purpose was ALSO to fulfill all of the prohecies that surrounded His birth, her virginity and her place as the Ark of the New Covenant.

Sorry Sir but there is no where in context that you or anyone can proove this what, you have just put Mary above Christ. Yuo just exalted her as the way the truth and the life. False doctine and a trick from the enemy of all man's souls. You I am praying for you. I pray for your blessings and happiness youare still loved by God through Christ and again who ahs been made tobe above all?

 

[homwardbound]

Do ANY of you guys bother to READ the posts? ALL of you are asking the same questions ad nauseam.
I answered this SEVERAL times, starting with post #183:

The word, "pray", in its most rudimentary form means to ask, to entreat to supplicate. We pray to God in worship, thanksgiving and supplication. We ask those in heaven to pray FOR us to God.

Rev. 5:8 shows the Elders in heaven bringing our prayers before God and Rev. 8:3-4 speaks of the Angels in heaven doing the same thing.

We don't WORSHIP Mary. We worship God ALONE.
We ASK Mary to pray FOR us - just as I might ask you or another person to pray for me. We DON'T pray in HER name.

REALLY, people - start paying attention to the posts.

so have they answered and pointed you to God through Christ and to worship only God through Christ being the way, the truth and the life. When Paul was bit by a snake and lived the others began to worship him. What did he reply?

 

[homwardbound]

Rubbish.
I already debunked that myth with the BIBLE. Why don't you read before posting?
Here we go . . . again:

Protestants and anti-Catholics always try to prove that Mary had other children and list the names given in the Bible. They give the names of these adelphoi, James, Joseph (Joses), Jude (Judas), and list the passages that mention these adelphoi, (Matt. 12:46; Matt. 13:55; Mark 3:31–34; Mark 6:3; Luke 8:19–20; John 2:12, 7:3, 5, 10; Acts 1:14; 1 Cor. 9:5).

The “other Mary” at the foot of the cross is described as being the mother of James and Joses and Salome. She is also described as being Mary’s (mother of Jesus) “sister” (adelphe) (John 19:25).

James is elsewhere described as the son of Alphaeus (Matt. 10:3), which would mean this other Mary, whoever she was, was the wife of both Clopas and Alphaeus. However, Alphaeus and Clopas are the same person, since the Aramaic name for Alphaeus could be rendered in Greek either as Alphaeus or as Clopas. It’s also possible that Alphaeus took a Greek name similar to his Jewish name, the same way that Saul took the name Paul.

What do the Scriptures have to say about the women standing at the cross and their children?
Matt. 27:56 says, "…among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome").
Finally, John 19:25 states, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

When you compare the different accounts of the crucifixion, they clearly show the mother of James and Joseph to be the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus) – not Mary, the Mother of Jesus. Any attempt to connect these people as uterine brothers of Jesus are squashed by the Bible.


Uhhh, by the way, there was NO term for the word “cousin” in the Aramaic language that Jesus spoke. When the Old Testament was translated into Greek in the centuries before the birth of Christ (the Septuagint), the words “adelphos” and “adelphoi” were used in places where “ach” was. This is why we have many examples in the Septuagint of the following:

In Gen. 14:14, Lot is called Abraham’s "brother", even though he was the son of Haran, Abraham’s brother (Gen. 11:26–28). In Gen. 29:15, Jacob is referred to as the "brother" (adelphos) of his uncle Laban.

Brothers Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar’s daughters married their "brethren” (adelphoi) , the sons of Kish - who were actually their cousins (1 Chr. 23:21–22).

Finally, of the 344 times that Adelphos is used in its various forms in the New Testament - a whopping 74% of them are NOT speaking of uterine sublings - but something else entirely.

sorry not truth but anyway we all are free to believe as we choose to so okay

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OH MAN!!!! 3am!!! I gotta be up in 2 hours lol PLEASE PRAY FOR ME GUYS!! God bless you all!!

You got it!! Try to get some sleep!!

 

[zone]

You said that the Catholic Church teaches this:

" faith in Christ's sacrifice was not enough for the forgiveness of their sins; His advocacy and cleansing are not enough,"
AND!
"they may spend a thousand years in a place of terror and darkness even though Jesus loves them - because they are not perfect."

Now show me how you came to the assumption that the Catholic Church teaches this. When you want to talk to me like a human, zone, and not dramatize everything like a bitter school girl, then I will engage in a full discussion with you. All I ever see in your posts are arrogance and self righteousness. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I just want you to know why I won't be discussing this further with you. I'm sure ChurchAuthority has the patience required to do so lol.

I mean, you also said to me before that, quote: "hi sevens.your RC friend apparently doesn't know his kind of stuff doesn't last long here." And then you provoke us to enter into another discussion with you! What game are you playing at? And why? lol God bless all the same and peace!

we appear to be speaking again. that's good
have a good rest, and a safe day at work.

i am currently looking at a Catholic apologetics site.

please let me know what i got wrong:

...

The Logical Case For Purgatory

All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven. . . . The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned” (CCC 1030 – 1031).

The Argument for Purgatory

Premise 1: There will be neither sin nor attachment to sin in heaven.

Premise 2: We (at least most of us) are still sinning and are attached to sin at the end of this life.

Conclusion: Therefore there must be a period between death and heavenly glory in which the saved are cleansed of sin and their attachment to sin.

Because this is a deductive argument, if one wants to dispute the conclusion, he must take issue with one of the premises, since the conclusion follows from them necessarily.

So which is it?

Is it not true that the saved in heaven are perfectly sanctified? (“[N]othing unclean shall enter [heaven].” — Rev 21:27).

Or is it not true that we are still sinning and attached to sin at the end of our earthly life? (If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” — 1 John 1:8).

You can’t get out of this argument by asserting, as I read one man say, that Christ covers us with his righteousness the moment we are justified, and therefore God sees us as he sees his Son, Jesus. To do this would be to deny the first premise (and what the Bible teaches) and to believe, instead, that the unclean will enter heaven, but that God will kid himself into believing otherwise.

How Long Does Purgatory Take?

Because we don’t know how time works in the afterlife, theologians have had different speculations as to how long purgatory may take or if it takes any time at all. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (now Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI) seemed to side with the latter opinion. He wrote:

The transforming ‘moment’ of this encounter cannot be quantified by the measurements of earthly time.

It is, indeed, not eternal but a transition, and yet trying to qualify it as of ‘short’ or ‘long’ duration on the basis of temporal measurements derived from physics would be naive and unproductive.

The ‘temporal measure’ of this encounter lies in the unsoundable depths of existence, in a passing-over where we are burned ere we are transformed.

To measure such Existenzzeit, such an ‘existential time,’ in terms of the time of this world would be to ignore the specificity of the human spirit in its simultaneous relationship with, and differentation from, the world.


“[Purgatory] is the inwardly necessary process of transformation in which a person becomes capable of Christ, capable of God and thus capable of unity with the whole communion of saints."

Catholicanswers

....

so what do we have:?


“[Purgatory] is the inwardly necessary process of transformation in which a person becomes capable of Christ, capable of God and thus capable of unity with the whole communion of saints."

capable of Christ?
what does that mean?

WHAT WAS HE DOING ON THE CROSS?

...


so, i'll suggest again - how does this sound?

Little Suzie...i know you love Jesus and Mary and they love you too. but because you are stained with sin, you will have to go to purgatory first, maybe for a little while maybe for a long long time (we don't know). but, as you know since you are subjected to it constantly, we who are alive will pray for you there and do everything we can to ease YOUR SUFFERING and pains as your sins are BURNED AWAY.

but remember - Jesus loves you.

....

Catholic teaching regarding prayers for the dead is bound up inseparably with the doctrine of purgatory and the more general doctrine of the communion of the saints, which is an article of the Apostle's Creed. The definition of the Council of Trent (Sess. XXV), "that purgatory exists, and that the souls detained therein are helped by the suffrages of the faithful, but especially by the acceptable sacrifice of the altar", is merely a restatement in brief of the traditional teaching which had already been embodied in more than one authoritative formula — as in the creed prescribed for converted Waldenses by Innocent III in 1210 (Denzinger, Enchiridion, n. 3 73) and more fully in the profession of faith accepted for the Greeks by Michael Palaeologus at the Second Ecumenical Council of Florence in 1439:

"[We define] likewise, that if the truly penitent die in the love of God, before they have made satisfaction by worthy fruits of penance for their sins of commission and omission, their souls are purified by purgatorial pains after death; and that for relief from these pains they are benefitted by the suffrages of the faithful in this life, that is, by Masses, prayers, and almsgiving, and by the other offices of piety usually performed by the faithful for one another according to the practice [instituta] of the Church" (ibid., n. 588).

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Prayers For the Dead < click

 

[homwardbound]

I always wondered about the Mary's at the crucifixion. There you have it lol Thanx brother!! That's excellent

7seven7 Ilove you as Christ does but what you see as truth is not truth. Mary the Mother of Christ had children with Joseph and I guess we will just disagree. as I said I follow no religion and by Christ I am a citizen of Heaven worshipping at the true tabernacle that God built not man, please come and have fellowship with the Saints in heaven
For God's kingdom is not of this world. Not any Church here on earth is God's kingdom as youhave read and seen by Scripture
[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-13[/h]King James Version (KJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

And Iove you regardless of which way you see this for I know you will know the truththat sets you free and are in great travail figuring it all out for I know God himself
Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.


Yuo Brother are free to decide what is truth and what is not, because all things are permissable, but not all things are beneficial, and we each get to decide this between God and ourselves for it is by the Holy Ghost that seperates all error from truth
So therfore anytime I was in bondage I knew there had to be errorin my truth and had to reathink the truth that I had latched onto, discovering the error by the personal realtionship God gave me as being my teacher personally as God does froyou as well
Love Homwardbound, espousing you to one As A Chaste Virgin. Then we go in the world and are ready togive an account forthe joy that resides in us, while we face tragedy all day long

 

[Xanthus]

I always wondered about the Mary's at the crucifixion. There you have it lol Thanx brother!! That's excellent

Truly Excellent.

I am learning a LOT from ChurchAuthority here.
The deep denial crowd with their deceptive Greek Scholar who couldn't muster a modicum of rational thought will not benefit from his wisdom or knowledge. But those with ears to hear certainly will gain.

 

[homwardbound]

home...when Jesus suffered and died on the hill, and was raised from the tomb 3 days later...was it Finished?

do you teach christians you meet they will spend unimaginable lengths of time in a place of horror and terror because Christ's Work was not sufficient?

what will you say to me if i say to you:

Home, i love you. and i love your children and grandchildren.

now please bring forth your children to me (who loves you), because contrary to what you think you believe; i am going to teach them from an early age that faith in Christ's sacrifice was not enough for the forgiveness of their sins; His advocacy and cleansing are not enough, no - bring me your children and grandchildren - whom i love, and i will tell them i love them..i promise i will - as i teach them they may spend a thousand years in a place of terror and darkness even though Jesus loves them - because they are not perfect.

thanks for your tolerance and patience as i teach your children and grandchildren my science fiction horror version of Christ's love.

zone

said the scorpion to the frog, please let me ride across I promise I won't sting. Oh come on
So go ahead and take the ride because
I most definately love you too
1 Corinthians 15:55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Truly Excellent.

I am learning a LOT from ChurchAuthority here.
The deep denial crowd with their deceptive Greek Scholar who couldn't muster a modicum of rational thought will not benefit from his wisdom or knowledge. But those with ears to hear certainly will gain.

you would be smart to run far away from him.. you won;t learn anything but false truths.

Mary was given to john because all of her children rejected Christ, God gives us all new families when we enter the kingdom..It has nothing to do with mary not having any children. Times where changing, Jesus knew John would take care of her.. nothing new here, it happens all the time.

 

[Powemm]

Pardon me ...... just dropping a seed ..............

Jeremiah 5:31
The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?
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[homwardbound]

Yep Amen brother!! I was talking more about the temptations that come my way. Meaning I will beat the temptations. With Christ as my Guardian and Savior, I will beat all temptation Satan throws at me. I won't let him pull me away from Christ like I was once was. That's all I meant. And I posted that as I was starting to feel the urge to punch something/one lol. And it worked. Anger turned into compassion. It's a beautiful life in Christ, brother.

as one gains further knowledge in the finished work at the cross, evil surrounds itself more to try and beset one form believing the full Gospel, not wanting that one to see the resurrection
now Paul did a great Job ion discerment in Romas 7 I amjustgoing to point out a little bit of it, it is up to you to read it all and discern between God and you
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

 

[crossnote]

lol I knew you would be glad. I told you so. But just to clarify, man, it didn't hit a sensitive nerve because it was in any way the truth. It was your arrogant attitude. The same as the arrogance of so many in my past life that got me into alot of trouble. And you knew it would cause me to anger. Had you spoken to me with respect, Mr. tough guy not playing lovey-dovey games, then maybe I would just have listened. Instead, you talk with bitterness. I don't understand why you speak what you call the "truth" with sarcasm. I really can't comprehend how this is Christian in any way, shape, or form. I'm serious. lol Honestly, think about it.

I suppose you would charge the apostle Paul with bitterness here...
Gal 1:8
(8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

and John the Baptist here...

Mat 3:7
(7) But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

and Jesus here...

Mat 23:33
(33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

So they were bitter? If you say no or you don't know, then how do you know my attitude? Or, is it how you take it...a wild guess?

Maybe you wouldn't know what a zeal for truth was if it came across to you in a forum; maybe you don't know me at all.

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

Amen, sister.

 

[Abiding]

For someone to say Mary is the Ark of the covenant commit many blasphemes.
I figured there would be a couple bans by now. But maybe we need catnip.

It would take a couple pages to briefly show the ramifications of Mary being
the Ark by typology considering the fact of that Ark and where it was in the temple..etc.
Yet the RCC does take that seriously and it shows in their worship.

If Mary was the Ark...(by the way in type she was Israel)..the church..rev 12
What was Jesus flesh? J 1:14

 

[Xanthus]

you would be smart to run far away from him.. you won;t learn anything but false truths.

Mary was given to john because all of her children rejected Christ, God gives us all new families when we enter the kingdom..It has nothing to do with mary not having any children. Times where changing, Jesus knew John would take care of her.. nothing new here, it happens all the time.

Opening your warning with an oxymoron suggests to me that I ought to ignore you.

Then you say, "Mary was given to john because all of her children rejected Christ".
And this makes no sense if you believe those here who are trying to claim that Jesus' brothers (from Mary) kept showing up throughout the Gospels.

I can see that ChurchAuthority makes much more sense than the SS gang.