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My conclusion precisely I showed him facts and he apparently never bothered to read them and then accuses me of being "Obstinate and obfuscating" (irony?). After you have tried your best to discuss information and you get insults back, it is time to move on. Some people simply do not want to be confused by the facts.
Next time I see a thread about Obama being a reptilian alien or Antichrist or Muslim, I will simply not waste my time. Some people get too entrenched and too emotionally invested in politics for an open minded discussion.
Next time I see a thread about Obama being a reptilian alien or Antichrist or Muslim, I will simply not waste my time. Some people get too entrenched and too emotionally invested in politics for an open minded discussion.
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Debunking the video posted at the beginning of this thread by the OP.
At first glance this video seems to “prove Obama is a Muslim. However a closer look proves this video is nothing more than a politically motivated hack job. Here is the proof.
Look again at the video and notice around 0:30 the camera pulls back to the point we can’t clearly see Obama’s face and we hear him say “I am one of them”, meaning he is a Muslim. Did you ever wonder why the camera cut out at the moment? QUESTION: Why did no reputable news outlet report this? ANSWER: It never happened.
Even a 8[SUP]th[/SUP] grader would agree that it would easy to simply cut in a sound bit to make it seem like he is saying he is a Muslim. Further proof that he never said he was a Muslim or even implied it is because it would make headlines around the world.
Another seemly convincing proof is where Obama says “My Muslim faith” which starts at 1:00 of the video the OP has posted. This was actually a slip Obama made while addressing the rumor that claim he is a Muslim. Look below for a clip of that interview and you will see how contrived this hit job on Obama is.
[video=youtube;bMUgNg7aD8M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bMUgNg7aD8M[/video]
In the OP’s posted video, we watch as Obama says many complimentary things about Islam and even speaks an Arabic greeting. Does this prove he is a Muslim? Look carefully at the flag on the right side of the screen (see 2:13). That is the Egyptian flag. Obama is obviously attempting to speak in terms that will win the hearts and minds of Egyptians.
In the OP’s video, They claim Obama has declared America to ba Muslim nation. (see 4:33). Again the video is full of small clips but not one of them show Obama as saying “America is a Muslim nation”. He does say that America is not a Christian nation and he does talk about vast Muslims in America, but what does it prove?
At 5:20 we see the title that Obama bowed before a Muslim King. Which he did do, but he also bowed before the Japanese prime minister. Does that mean Obama is Japanese?
6:33 “Obama in traditional Muslim dress” No, actually he is traditional Kenyan clothes and wore them while he was in Kenya.
6:45 “Obama visits a Mosque” Well if this proves he is a Muslim then George Bush is also a Muslim as he visited a few Mosques. Also I have visited a hospital, does this make me a doctor? That is called “Guilt by association” and it is a logical fallacy. Also look at 7:43 where you can see Obama and his staff are wearing shoes. If Obama were a Muslim, he would of known to take of his shoes as this is the custom. After 911, George Bush removed his shoes as he entered a Mosque, maybe he is a muslim?
8:15 “Obama sides with Islam” Here we see clips about Obama not wearing a US flag pin and another clip of Obama saying we are not and never will be at war with Islam. Then we see graphic images of the Twin towers falling to the ground. Keep in mind Obama was not even a presidential hopeful when this happened. So why is it there? Why say he doesn't wear a flag pin? Another case of guilt by association and again we never see any evidence of Obama saying he sides with Islam.
This video and others like it are a shameful attempt to “prove Obama is a Muslim. We see loads of proof that Obama is not a Muslim:
1) He attended a Christian church for 20 years.
2) He eats pork and drinks beer.
3) No Mosque anywhere in the world has ever said “Obama is a member of this Mosque.
4) No one has ever seen Obama pray as the Muslims do.
5) He was sworn into office on a bible and with a Christian pastor, rev. Rick Warren and Luis Leon in his second term.
Now if you disagree with everything I have said and still think this video “proves” Obama is a Muslim, then I have another amazing video for you to watch
At first glance this video seems to “prove Obama is a Muslim. However a closer look proves this video is nothing more than a politically motivated hack job. Here is the proof.
Look again at the video and notice around 0:30 the camera pulls back to the point we can’t clearly see Obama’s face and we hear him say “I am one of them”, meaning he is a Muslim. Did you ever wonder why the camera cut out at the moment? QUESTION: Why did no reputable news outlet report this? ANSWER: It never happened.
Even a 8[SUP]th[/SUP] grader would agree that it would easy to simply cut in a sound bit to make it seem like he is saying he is a Muslim. Further proof that he never said he was a Muslim or even implied it is because it would make headlines around the world.
Another seemly convincing proof is where Obama says “My Muslim faith” which starts at 1:00 of the video the OP has posted. This was actually a slip Obama made while addressing the rumor that claim he is a Muslim. Look below for a clip of that interview and you will see how contrived this hit job on Obama is.
[video=youtube;bMUgNg7aD8M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bMUgNg7aD8M[/video]
In the OP’s posted video, we watch as Obama says many complimentary things about Islam and even speaks an Arabic greeting. Does this prove he is a Muslim? Look carefully at the flag on the right side of the screen (see 2:13). That is the Egyptian flag. Obama is obviously attempting to speak in terms that will win the hearts and minds of Egyptians.
In the OP’s video, They claim Obama has declared America to ba Muslim nation. (see 4:33). Again the video is full of small clips but not one of them show Obama as saying “America is a Muslim nation”. He does say that America is not a Christian nation and he does talk about vast Muslims in America, but what does it prove?
At 5:20 we see the title that Obama bowed before a Muslim King. Which he did do, but he also bowed before the Japanese prime minister. Does that mean Obama is Japanese?
6:33 “Obama in traditional Muslim dress” No, actually he is traditional Kenyan clothes and wore them while he was in Kenya.
6:45 “Obama visits a Mosque” Well if this proves he is a Muslim then George Bush is also a Muslim as he visited a few Mosques. Also I have visited a hospital, does this make me a doctor? That is called “Guilt by association” and it is a logical fallacy. Also look at 7:43 where you can see Obama and his staff are wearing shoes. If Obama were a Muslim, he would of known to take of his shoes as this is the custom. After 911, George Bush removed his shoes as he entered a Mosque, maybe he is a muslim?
8:15 “Obama sides with Islam” Here we see clips about Obama not wearing a US flag pin and another clip of Obama saying we are not and never will be at war with Islam. Then we see graphic images of the Twin towers falling to the ground. Keep in mind Obama was not even a presidential hopeful when this happened. So why is it there? Why say he doesn't wear a flag pin? Another case of guilt by association and again we never see any evidence of Obama saying he sides with Islam.
This video and others like it are a shameful attempt to “prove Obama is a Muslim. We see loads of proof that Obama is not a Muslim:
1) He attended a Christian church for 20 years.
2) He eats pork and drinks beer.
3) No Mosque anywhere in the world has ever said “Obama is a member of this Mosque.
4) No one has ever seen Obama pray as the Muslims do.
5) He was sworn into office on a bible and with a Christian pastor, rev. Rick Warren and Luis Leon in his second term.
Now if you disagree with everything I have said and still think this video “proves” Obama is a Muslim, then I have another amazing video for you to watch
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Proof is in the pudding.
March 2009: Obama declares the “war on terror” is over, despite a dramatic increase in jihad war ops.
March 2009: floats idea he will talk to violent genocidal Hamas.
March 2009: he demands that more Muslim Americans work in the Obama administration and insists that they be recruited.
April 2009: Obama tells Europe to admit Islamic Turkey into the European Union, much to the consternation of the Europeans.
April 2009: Obama demands that non-Muslims respect Islam (despite our differences) in a speech in Turkey.
April 2009: Obama says in Turkey, “We are not a Christian nation.”
April 2009: Dalia Mogahed, the first hijab-clad senior adviser to Obama on Muslim affairs,
says in an interview with terrorist-and on jihad-supporting Sheik Yusuf Qaradawi’s website, “Many have claimed terrorists have ‘hijacked Islam.’ I disagree. I think Islam is safe and thriving in the lives of Muslims around the world. What terrorists have been allowed to take over are Muslim grievances.”
April 2009: Obama lays groundwork for a partnership with Hamas.
May 2009: Obama promises “personal commitment” to Muslims.
May 2009: Obama calls America “one of the largest Muslim countries on the planet.”
June 2009: Obama invites the Muslim Brotherhood, a violent global jihadist group whose sole objective is a universal caliphate, to his speech to the ummah (Muslim community) in Cairo.
June 2009: Obama makes a stunning speech to the Muslim world from Al Azhar University in Cairo. It defies explanation.
July 2009: Obama reaches out to the violent jihadists of Hezb’allah.
July 2009: Obama’s new office at the State Department, Outreach to the Worldwide Muslim community, reporting to Hillary Clinton.
July 2009: The State Department Welcomes Hamas mouthpiece Al-Quds TV to D.C. to film Propaganda. Obama promises to close GITMO. Obama is rebuked when plans are revealed for CIA prosecutions for 911 interrogations: Seven Ex-chiefs of CIA Oppose Case Review: ALL Sign letter to Stop CIA Persecutions.
July 2009: Obama sanctions the brutal crackdown on those marching for freedom in Iran and sides with the mullahcracy. He is silent about the regime’s mass executions, mass rape, and murder.
July 2009: Obama plans to slash the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
September 2009: Former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton on Obama at the U.N.: “This is the most radical anti-Israel speech I can recall any president making…I have to say I was very shaken by this speech.”
October 2009: Obama offers millions in Muslim technology fund.
November 2009: Fort Hood Jihad Coverup: Obama Urges Congress To Put Off Fort Hood Probe, Warns Against Turning Tragedy Into “Political Theater”
November 2009: Obama offers the Taliban control of the Kandahar, Helmand, Oruzgan, Kunar, and Nuristan provinces, in return for a halt to the Taliban missile attacks on U.S. bases.
November 2009: Obama reaches out to jihadis in the Philippines. On Thanksgiving eve: Obama issues a special Hajj message to the world’s Muslims.
December 2009: Obama’s “Non-Religious” White House Christmas and No Christmas Gifts for his Kids.
February 2010: Obama names a Hafiz to the Organization of the Islamic Conference. “And as a hafiz of the Koran, [Hussain] is a respected member of the American Muslim community,” Obama said in his message to the Doha meeting, using the Arabic world for someone who has memorized the Islamic holy book.
February 2010: Obama cuts U.S. space program, orders NASA to work with Muslim countries
February 2010: Covering up for jihadists in the White House. Obama’s counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, Involved in Obama Passport Breach
March 2010: Obama Obsession with Islam: Calls “entrepreneurship summit” with Muslims.
April 2010: Libyan President Gaddafi Praises Obama: “Barakeh Obama is friend”; “He is of Muslim descent, his policy should be supported…”
May 2010: Obama’s Counterterrorism Adviser Calls Jihad “Legitimate Tenet of Islam.”
May 2010: White House Pro-Terrorism John Brennan Speechifies in Arabic, Equates Terrorists with Shoplifters, Lawmakers Call for his Firing.
June 2010: Obama equivocates on the jihad warship convoy (affectionately named a “flotilla” by the media): Obama “Expressed a Deep Regret Over Loss of [Jihadist] Life”
June 2010: Obama to Support Anti-Israel Resolution at U.N.
And the list goes on…
In a third quote from Obama’s book he says,
"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” Instead of saying he is on the side of America, or of Western civilization, or on the side of the Jews and the Christians who are the victims of Islamic terrorism instructed by the Quran and hadith, he is going to stand with the Muslims.
Taqiyya
تقية (alternate spellings taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation, or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.
March 2009: Obama declares the “war on terror” is over, despite a dramatic increase in jihad war ops.
March 2009: floats idea he will talk to violent genocidal Hamas.
March 2009: he demands that more Muslim Americans work in the Obama administration and insists that they be recruited.
April 2009: Obama tells Europe to admit Islamic Turkey into the European Union, much to the consternation of the Europeans.
April 2009: Obama demands that non-Muslims respect Islam (despite our differences) in a speech in Turkey.
April 2009: Obama says in Turkey, “We are not a Christian nation.”
April 2009: Dalia Mogahed, the first hijab-clad senior adviser to Obama on Muslim affairs,
says in an interview with terrorist-and on jihad-supporting Sheik Yusuf Qaradawi’s website, “Many have claimed terrorists have ‘hijacked Islam.’ I disagree. I think Islam is safe and thriving in the lives of Muslims around the world. What terrorists have been allowed to take over are Muslim grievances.”
April 2009: Obama lays groundwork for a partnership with Hamas.
May 2009: Obama promises “personal commitment” to Muslims.
May 2009: Obama calls America “one of the largest Muslim countries on the planet.”
June 2009: Obama invites the Muslim Brotherhood, a violent global jihadist group whose sole objective is a universal caliphate, to his speech to the ummah (Muslim community) in Cairo.
June 2009: Obama makes a stunning speech to the Muslim world from Al Azhar University in Cairo. It defies explanation.
July 2009: Obama reaches out to the violent jihadists of Hezb’allah.
July 2009: Obama’s new office at the State Department, Outreach to the Worldwide Muslim community, reporting to Hillary Clinton.
July 2009: The State Department Welcomes Hamas mouthpiece Al-Quds TV to D.C. to film Propaganda. Obama promises to close GITMO. Obama is rebuked when plans are revealed for CIA prosecutions for 911 interrogations: Seven Ex-chiefs of CIA Oppose Case Review: ALL Sign letter to Stop CIA Persecutions.
July 2009: Obama sanctions the brutal crackdown on those marching for freedom in Iran and sides with the mullahcracy. He is silent about the regime’s mass executions, mass rape, and murder.
July 2009: Obama plans to slash the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
September 2009: Former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton on Obama at the U.N.: “This is the most radical anti-Israel speech I can recall any president making…I have to say I was very shaken by this speech.”
October 2009: Obama offers millions in Muslim technology fund.
November 2009: Fort Hood Jihad Coverup: Obama Urges Congress To Put Off Fort Hood Probe, Warns Against Turning Tragedy Into “Political Theater”
November 2009: Obama offers the Taliban control of the Kandahar, Helmand, Oruzgan, Kunar, and Nuristan provinces, in return for a halt to the Taliban missile attacks on U.S. bases.
November 2009: Obama reaches out to jihadis in the Philippines. On Thanksgiving eve: Obama issues a special Hajj message to the world’s Muslims.
December 2009: Obama’s “Non-Religious” White House Christmas and No Christmas Gifts for his Kids.
February 2010: Obama names a Hafiz to the Organization of the Islamic Conference. “And as a hafiz of the Koran, [Hussain] is a respected member of the American Muslim community,” Obama said in his message to the Doha meeting, using the Arabic world for someone who has memorized the Islamic holy book.
February 2010: Obama cuts U.S. space program, orders NASA to work with Muslim countries
February 2010: Covering up for jihadists in the White House. Obama’s counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, Involved in Obama Passport Breach
March 2010: Obama Obsession with Islam: Calls “entrepreneurship summit” with Muslims.
April 2010: Libyan President Gaddafi Praises Obama: “Barakeh Obama is friend”; “He is of Muslim descent, his policy should be supported…”
May 2010: Obama’s Counterterrorism Adviser Calls Jihad “Legitimate Tenet of Islam.”
May 2010: White House Pro-Terrorism John Brennan Speechifies in Arabic, Equates Terrorists with Shoplifters, Lawmakers Call for his Firing.
June 2010: Obama equivocates on the jihad warship convoy (affectionately named a “flotilla” by the media): Obama “Expressed a Deep Regret Over Loss of [Jihadist] Life”
June 2010: Obama to Support Anti-Israel Resolution at U.N.
And the list goes on…
In a third quote from Obama’s book he says,
"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” Instead of saying he is on the side of America, or of Western civilization, or on the side of the Jews and the Christians who are the victims of Islamic terrorism instructed by the Quran and hadith, he is going to stand with the Muslims.
Taqiyya
تقية (alternate spellings taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation, or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.
sadly its the christians that would be persecuting him for this taqiyah if any of this nonsense was true. instead its just another in a long line of embarrassments from people of our faith. Maybe one day christians will focus on things of Christ and not spend years trying to discredit a president who according to scripture, is chosen by God, as a muslim. Which is funny because there is nothing discediting about a muslim president in a secular, cuturally diverse nation.
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Absolutely stunning how infested this board is with radical leftists. It is just teeming with these creeps and lunatics. You've got these people posting Media Matters links, supporting abortion, banning the one poster who opposes them, calling abortion clinics "necessary", and generally spouting leftist propaganda.
This whole notion of liberals trying to play Christians would be funny if it wasn't so sad and dangerous. It's a joke. Leftists are godless by nature; this weird hybrid of leftist politics trying to assume the mantle of Christianity is a disgusting and repulsive exhibit, and the fact that these people are not banned from the site speaks volumes as to how far down the toilet CC is heading as an establishment.
This whole notion of liberals trying to play Christians would be funny if it wasn't so sad and dangerous. It's a joke. Leftists are godless by nature; this weird hybrid of leftist politics trying to assume the mantle of Christianity is a disgusting and repulsive exhibit, and the fact that these people are not banned from the site speaks volumes as to how far down the toilet CC is heading as an establishment.
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You know? That's an excellent point, Nautilus. The man doesn't even have to say he's a Christian in this secular, culturally diverse country, but he still does. He's just too easy to pound on because he's the president and all. We need to just get him out of the way so us Christians can go full bore tearing each other to pieces! Don't you think??
