A dangerous theology?
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use your gifts! - oh wait - only priests ruling in the kingdom have those gifts......don't they?
how can you have any gifts if the Kingdom is postponed?
no King either, i'll add.
1 Peter 2
8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. 9But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light; 10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
did God keep His promise to the elect remnant?
Generation (γένος)
Better, Rev., race: a body with a common life and descent.
Nation (ἔθνος). People (λαὸς)
Vincent
and how do those priests minister to us today?
Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
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Psalm 2
2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
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Psalm 2
2 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
At the present time Jesus is king over his people, but as for this world, it yet lays in the power of the wicked one while Jesus, as far as this world is concerned, (Psalms 110:1 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.) is letting the Father show the wisdom of these worldly rulers up for what it is and crashes their pride so that they must submit under Jesus' feet.
Hebrews 10:12-13 "But this man [Jesus], after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool."
After that is accomplished the Father will command and Jesus as the head over the twenty-four elders will offer praise to the Father for what the Father has done through him, along with the twenty-four elders, Revelation 11:17 "Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned."
Those twenty-four elders represent the body of Christ, whose head is Christ. That is when Christ is the unchallenged king of the entire world in fulfillment of God's promise to David..
Hebrews 10:12-13 "But this man [Jesus], after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool."
After that is accomplished the Father will command and Jesus as the head over the twenty-four elders will offer praise to the Father for what the Father has done through him, along with the twenty-four elders, Revelation 11:17 "Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned."
Those twenty-four elders represent the body of Christ, whose head is Christ. That is when Christ is the unchallenged king of the entire world in fulfillment of God's promise to David..
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Revelation 20:3-6 [SUP]3 [/SUP]And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
1. Satan has not been put away yet..... Any sinner can see that.
2. We shall rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years...... means He's supposed to be here......I don't see Him. As a matter fact, I don't see any Christian ruling over this world, now that I look at it. Then there's that little matter of 1000 years already run out.......
3. No history has been written on the changes of the world since this is to have already happened.
4. Very fine details are listed in the Scripture...... which means it's not symbolic.
5. If it is happening, where is my priest outfit and crown?
1. Satan has not been put away yet..... Any sinner can see that.
2. We shall rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years...... means He's supposed to be here......I don't see Him. As a matter fact, I don't see any Christian ruling over this world, now that I look at it. Then there's that little matter of 1000 years already run out.......
3. No history has been written on the changes of the world since this is to have already happened.
4. Very fine details are listed in the Scripture...... which means it's not symbolic.
5. If it is happening, where is my priest outfit and crown?
The judgment began with the church. We live in the day of the judgment of the church.
The world is judged after that through the reign of Christ over this entire earth.
Right now Christ is king to his people but yet waiting while the Father humbles the world under his feet, meaning also under his body or true church. (Psalms 47:3 "He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet.; Psalms 110:1 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."; Hebrews 1:13 "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?")
Hebrews 2:8 "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him."
This world is yet not submitting to Christ and his spiritual body. But they will in Christ's reign shortly to come as king unchallenged in all of the earth, after God's covenant with David.
The world is judged after that through the reign of Christ over this entire earth.
Right now Christ is king to his people but yet waiting while the Father humbles the world under his feet, meaning also under his body or true church. (Psalms 47:3 "He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet.; Psalms 110:1 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."; Hebrews 1:13 "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?")
Hebrews 2:8 "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him."
This world is yet not submitting to Christ and his spiritual body. But they will in Christ's reign shortly to come as king unchallenged in all of the earth, after God's covenant with David.
If this is already happened, where is all the historical context? What Roman ruler signed an agreement with Israel for peace? When did Israel allow a Roman to sit in the Temple and proclaim himself as God? There is nothing in history of these things, and the reason is because it didn't happen. There would have to be something in history that proves this.
The problem here is that the kingship of Christ is the promise to David that one of his seed would take his throne and that thrown which rules here on earth would last forever.
That must be distinguished from God the Father being actually in control over all as Nebuchadnezzar was forced to learn in the book of Daniel.
Two entirely different perspectives. When we see that the Hebrews speaks of Christ the man taking over the throne of David and that this is how he is king over all by his Father's appointment of him, then all begins to fall into place.
All the dispute as to whether Jesus is literally God or but God's Son has obscured many from seeing what is being talked about.
That must be distinguished from God the Father being actually in control over all as Nebuchadnezzar was forced to learn in the book of Daniel.
Two entirely different perspectives. When we see that the Hebrews speaks of Christ the man taking over the throne of David and that this is how he is king over all by his Father's appointment of him, then all begins to fall into place.
All the dispute as to whether Jesus is literally God or but God's Son has obscured many from seeing what is being talked about.
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i wonder if we read the same Bible.
1 Corinthians 15
24After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”e (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.
the end will come
when he will turn the Kingdom
over to God the Father
having destroyed every ruler and authority and power
For Christ must reign
until he humbles all his enemies
beneath his feet
And the last enemy
to be destroyed
is death.
is The Lord God King over all or not?
including the prince satan.
it's yes or no.
Re: A dangerous theology?
is The Lord God King over all or not?
including the prince satan.
it's yes or no.
is The Lord God King over all or not?
including the prince satan.
it's yes or no.
i wonder if we read the same Bible.
1 Corinthians 15
24After that the end will come, when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power. 25For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet. 26And the last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For the Scriptures say, “God has put all things under his authority.”e (Of course, when it says “all things are under his authority,” that does not include God himself, who gave Christ his authority.) 28Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.
the end will come
when he will turn the Kingdom
over to God the Father
having destroyed every ruler and authority and power
For Christ must reign
until he humbles all his enemies
beneath his feet
And the last enemy
to be destroyed
is death.
is The Lord God King over all or not?
including the prince satan.
it's yes or no.
Revelation 20:3-6 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
please use all the verses at your disposal to define what the single phrase deceive the nations means.
and just for fun....if a pit is bottomless, where does it end?
who or what can be contained in a bottomless pit?
without a bottom, it's not really a pit, it's a tunnel leading into eternity.
there is no end to the pit.
does it tell us that satan is clinging to the sides of the pit so he doesn't fall out into eternity?
does it say he has wings and is hovering near the lid?
what can be determined about where he is based upon the description of it?
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also, could anyone PLEASE provide all other examples of the phrase a thousand from scripture?
please use all the verses at your disposal to define what the single phrase deceive the nations means.
and just for fun....if a pit is bottomless, where does it end?
who or what can be contained in a bottomless pit?
without a bottom, it's not really a pit, it's a tunnel leading into eternity.
there is no end to the pit.
does it tell us that satan is clinging to the sides of the pit so he doesn't fall out into eternity?
does it say he has wings and is hovering near the lid?
what can be determined about where he is based upon the description of it?
.....
also, could anyone PLEASE provide all other examples of the phrase a thousand from scripture?
