Well in your millennial view of the rule of Christ sin and death still exists (I think that is your view, if it isn't I'm sorry). So those who already died in the faith, who are absent from the body and present with the Lord are to come back to still fallen and sick world. That sounds like a demotion, not a promotion into His glorious kingdom in the eternal state.
A dangerous theology?
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Really? Why so...do you think there would be peace and smacking unbelievers
around with a iron rod at the same time? You certainly dont read many threads.
When does Jesus put His enemies under His feet?
Its before His return, then death will be no more 1 Cor 15
Why if theres no death which means no sin would you smack people around with a rod?
Wouldnt that be for His enemies?
Also read revelation 19 and tell me who survives.
around with a iron rod at the same time? You certainly dont read many threads.
When does Jesus put His enemies under His feet?
Its before His return, then death will be no more 1 Cor 15
Why if theres no death which means no sin would you smack people around with a rod?
Wouldnt that be for His enemies?
Also read revelation 19 and tell me who survives.
There is no conflict. All that is said there is that death is the one enemy not yet brought to nothing under Christ's feet when he hosts his kingdom reign as the throne of David on this earth.
And that is because Christ will use that thousand years to complete God's judgment of this earth, the devil and his demons, and then death will no longer have any power as all remaining will be incorruptible.
But no enemy to Christ of men will have any power to cause any harm or to test God's holy city as they have had today. Thus though some be yet alive and their judgment being yet in the process of being completed that some may actually be saved, they are as subdued under Christ's feet by the work his Father performed in us who walked after Christ's love and conquered sin to being able to wear that incorruptible nature.
As Christ said, a disciple is not greater than his teacher. Now is the perfecting of those teachers so that they will be qualified to rule with Christ and be as fountains of living water, incorruptible, no longer subject to falling to bitter wormwood as our sources we depend upon today for the water of life often become to us.
And that is because Christ will use that thousand years to complete God's judgment of this earth, the devil and his demons, and then death will no longer have any power as all remaining will be incorruptible.
But no enemy to Christ of men will have any power to cause any harm or to test God's holy city as they have had today. Thus though some be yet alive and their judgment being yet in the process of being completed that some may actually be saved, they are as subdued under Christ's feet by the work his Father performed in us who walked after Christ's love and conquered sin to being able to wear that incorruptible nature.
As Christ said, a disciple is not greater than his teacher. Now is the perfecting of those teachers so that they will be qualified to rule with Christ and be as fountains of living water, incorruptible, no longer subject to falling to bitter wormwood as our sources we depend upon today for the water of life often become to us.
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maybe a random look at the scepter/rod?
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Genesis 49:10
The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh shall come: and to him shall be the gathering of the people.
Esther 4:11
"All the king's officials and the people of the royal provinces know that for any man or woman who approaches the king in the inner court without being summoned the king has but one law: that they be put to death unless the king extends the gold scepter to them and spares their lives. But thirty days have passed since I was called to go to the king."
Zechariah 10:11
They will pass through the sea of trouble; the surging sea will be subdued and all the depths of the Nile will dry up. Assyria's pride will be brought down and Egypt's scepter will pass away.
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
1 Corinthians 4
I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words of those who are arrogant but their power.20For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.21What do you desire? Shall I come to you with a rod, or with love and a spirit of gentleness?
Hebrews 9:4
having a golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden jar holding the manna, and Aaron's rod which budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Matthew 27:29
They twisted a wreath of thorny twigs and put it on His head, and they put a sceptre of cane in His right hand, and kneeling to Him they shouted in mockery, "Long live the King of the Jews!"
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scep·ter (sptr)
n.
1. A staff held by a sovereign as an emblem of authority.
2. Ruling power or authority; sovereignty.
tr.v. scep·tered, scep·ter·ing, scep·ters
To invest with royal authority.
1. a rod or wand borne in the hand as an emblem of regal or imperial power.
2. royal or imperial power or authority; sovereignty.
v.t.
3. to give a scepter to; invest with authority.
sceptre (ˈseptə(r)) (American) scepter (ˈseptə) noun
the ornamental rod carried by a monarch on ceremonial occasions as a sign of power.
scep·ter noun \ˈsep-tər\
Definition of SCEPTER
1
: a staff or baton borne by a sovereign as an emblem of authority
2
: royal or imperial authority : sovereignty
Illustration of SCEPTER
Origin of SCEPTER
Middle English sceptre, from Anglo-French septre, from Latin sceptrum, from Greek skēptron staff, scepter, from skēptesthai to prop oneself — more at shaft
First Known Use: 14th century
2scepter transitive verb
scep·teredscep·ter·ing
Definition of SCEPTER
: to invest with the scepter in token of royal authority
First Known Use of SCEPTER
1526
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HEBREW:
Genesis 49:10
The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh shall come: and to him shall be the gathering of the people.
shebet: rod, staff, club, scepter, tribe
Original Word: שָׁ֫בֶט
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: shebet
Phonetic Spelling: (shay'-bet)
Short Definition: tribes
rod, staff, club, scepter, tribe
club (4), correction (1), half-tribe* (22), rod (27), scepter (11), scepters (1), spears (1), staff (1), tribe (40), tribes (83).
189 noun masculineNumbers 24:17 (feminineEzek 21:15,18 but corrupt):
1 rod, staff, club, sceptre.
2 tribe; — ׳שׁ absolute Genesis 49:10+, construct 1 Samuel 10:20 +; שָׁ֑טֶ Deuteronomy 1:23 +; sf שִׁבְטוֺ Judges 21:24+, etc.; plural שְׁבָטִים 1 Kings 11:31 +, construct שִׁבְטֵי Genesis 49:16 +, sf שְׁבָטֶיךָ Deuteronomy 12:14 +, etc.; —
1.a. rod, staff (evidently common article), for smiting (especially׳הִכָּה בַשּׁ) Exodus 21:20 (E), Micah 4:14; Isaiah 10:15 (in simile; "" מַטֶּה), Proverbs 10:13 +; מוּסָר ׳שׁ compare Proverbs 29:15; for beating (חָבַט) cummin Isaiah 28:27 ("" מַטֶּה); as (inferior) weapon (opposed to חֲנִית) 2 Samuel 23:21= 1 Chronicles 11:3 (compareמַקֵּל 1 Samuel 17:40,43); figurative of ׳יs chastisement: national Isaiah 10:24; Isaiah 30:31 (both "" מַטֶּה), Isaiah 14:29, אַמִּי ׳שׁ Isaiah 10:5 עֶבְרָתוֺ ׳שׁ Lamentations 3:1; individual Job 9:34; Job 21:9 (אֱלוֺהַּ ׳שׁ), Job 37:13, 2 Samuel 7:14 (אֲנָשִׁים ׳שׁ, i.e. not in-human), Psalm 89:33 (both "" נְגָעִים).
b. shaft, i.e. spear, dart, 2 Samuel 18:14, but < read שְׁלָחִים ᵐ5 βέλη Th We Kit HPS Bu.
c. shepherd's implement, club, Psalm 23:4 ("" מִשְׁעֶנֶת), ׳רְעֵה בְשׁ Micah 7:14 (both figurative of ׳י); used in mustering or counting sheep Ezekiel 20:37 (figurative), Leviticus 27:32 (compare Jeremiah 33:13), see MackieHast. DB RoD
d. truncheon, sceptre, mark of authority, סֹפֵר ׳שׁ Judges 5:14, משְׁלִים ׳שׁ Isaiah 14:5 ("" מַטֶּה), Genesis 49:10 (poem in J; ("" מְהֹקֵק), Zechariah 10:11 (Psalm 45:7 (twice in verse); Ezekiel 19:11,14 (made from a branch, מַטֶּה); a ruler is ׳תּוֺמֵךְ שׁ Amos 1:5,8; as symbol of conquest Numbers 24:17 (JE); בַּרְזֶל ׳שׁ Psalm 2:9 (of Messianic king);הָרֶשַׁע ׳שׁ Psalm 125:3; עֶבְרָתוֺ ׳שׁ Proverbs 22:8 (si vera lectio, compare Frankenb. Toy). — see מַטֶּה, מַקֵּל, מִשְׁעֶנֶת.
2 145:tribe (synonymמַטֶּה, q. v.
3, p. 641:b), especially
a. of (12) tribes of Israel, Genesis 49:16,28 (poem in J), Deuteronomy 33:5 (poem), Exodus 24:4 (E), + often [J E 13 t., D 28 t. (מַטֶּה J E D), P 9 t. (compare GrayNumbers 4:18; ׳מ150t. + in P); Judges 15 t. (never ׳מ), Samuel 14 t. (never ׳מ), Kings 13 t,. (׳מ2t.), Chronicles 15 t. (׳מ23t.), Psalms, 7 t. (never ׳מ), prophets 16 t. (׳מ Habakkuk 3:9, very dubious)]; Judges 20:12; 1 Samuel 9:21 read שֵׁבֶט (or שִׁבְטִי Ges§ 90 I, We Sta§ 343 e Dr, for שִׁבְטֵי), Vrss (GFMJu); שִׁבְטֵייָֿהּ Psalm 122:4; שִׁבְטֵי נַחֲלָתֶ֑ךָ Isaiah 63:17.
b. singular of people (of Judah, late) Psalm 74:2, but Jeremiah 10:16 = Jeremiah 51:19 strike out ׳נ ׳שׁ Gf Gie Du.
c. of subdivision of tribe, ׳מִשְׁמְּחוֺת וגו ׳שׁ Numbers 4:18 (P). — 2 Samuel 7:7 read שֹׁפְטֵי (compare 2 Samuel 7:11, "" 1 Chronicles 17:6, Ew Th We Dr HPS Bu and others)
correction, dart, rod, scepter, staff, tribe
From an unused root probably meaning to branch off; a scion, i.e. (literally) a stick (for punishing, writing, fighting, ruling, walking, etc.) Or (figuratively) a clan -- X correction, dart, rod, sceptre, staff, tribe.
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Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
rhabdos: a staff, rod
Original Word: ῥάβδος, ου, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: rhabdos
Phonetic Spelling: (hrab'-dos)
Short Definition: a rod, staff
Definition: a rod, staff, staff of authority, scepter.
Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
a staff, rod
rod (5), scepter (2), staff (5).
STRONGS NT 4464: ῤάβδος
ῤάβδος, ῤάβδου, ἡ (probably akin to ῤαπίς, Latinverber; cf. Curtius, § 513), in various senses from Homer down; the Sept. for מַטֶּה, שֵׁבֶט, מַקֵּל, מִשְׁעֶנֶת, etc., a staff; walking-stick: equivalent to a twig, rod, branch, Hebrews 9:4 (Numbers 17:2ff, Hebrew text ff); Revelation 11:1; a rod, with which one is beaten, 1 Corinthians 4:21 (Plato, legg. 3, p. 700 c.; Plutarch, others; πατάσσειν τινα ἐν ῤάβδῳ, Exodus 21:20; Isaiah 10:24); a staff: as used on a journey, Matthew 10:10; Mark 6:8; Luke 9:3; or to lean upon, Hebrews 11:21 (after the Sept. of Genesis 47:31, where the translators read מַטֶּה, for מִטָּה, a bed; (cf. προσκυνέω, a.)); or by shepherds, Revelation 2:27; Revelation 12:5; Revelation 19:15, in which passages as ἐν ῤάβδῳ ποιμαίνειν is figuratively applied to a king, so ῤάβδῳ σιδηρᾷ, with a rod of iron, indicates the severest, most rigorous, rule; hence, ῤάβδος is equivalent to a royal scepter (like שֵׁבֶט, Psalm 2:9; Psalm 45:8; for שַׁרְבִיט, Esther 4:11; Esther 5:2): Hebrews 1:8 (from Psalm 45:8).
rod, scepter, staff.
From the base of rhapizo; a stick or wand (as a cudgel, a cane or a baton of royalty) -- rod, sceptre, staff.
see GREEK rhapizo
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A Shepherd Looks At Psalm 23
There is a second dimension in which the rod is used by the shepherd for the welfare of his sheep -- namely that of discipline. The club is used for this purpose perhaps more than any other.
If the shepherd saw a sheep wandering away from its own, or approaching poisonous weeds, or getting too close to danger of one sort or another, the club would go whistling through the air to send the wayward animal scurrying back to the bunch.
Another interesting use of the rod in the shepherd's hand was to examine and count the sheep. In the terminology of the Old Testament this was referred to as passing "under the rod":
And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: (Ezek. 20:37).
This meant not only coming under the owner's control and authority, but also to be subject to his most careful, intimate and firsthand examination. A sheep that passed "under the rod" was one which had been counted and looked over with great care to make sure all was well with it.
Because of their long wool it is not always easy to detect disease, wounds, or defects in sheep. For example at a sheep show an inferiour animal can be clipped and shaped and shown so as to appear a perfect specimen. But the skilled judge will take his rod and part the sheep's wool to determine the condition of the skin, the cleanliness of the fleece and the conformation of the body. In plain language, "One just does not pull the wool over his [judge's] eyes."
In caring for his sheep, the good shepherd, the careful manager, will from time to time make a careful examination of each individual sheep. As each animal comes out of the corral and through the gate, it is stopped by the shepherd's outstretched rod. He opens the fleece with the rod; he runs his skillful hands over the body; he feels for any sign of trouble; he examines the sheep with care to see if all is well. This is a most searching process entailing every intimate detail. It is, too, a comfort to the sheep for only in this way can its hidden problems be laid bare before the shepherd.
Finally the shepherd's rod is an instrument of protection both for himself and his sheep when they are in danger. It is used both as a defense and a deterrent against anything that would attack.
The skilled shepherd uses his rod to drive off predators like coyotes, wolves, cougars or stray dogs. Often it is used to beat the brush discouraging snakes and other creatures from disturbing the flock. In extreme causes, such as David recounted to Saul, the psalmist no doubt used his rod to attack the lion and the bear that came to raid his flocks.
Phillip Keller
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Genesis 49:10
The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh shall come: and to him shall be the gathering of the people.
Esther 4:11
"All the king's officials and the people of the royal provinces know that for any man or woman who approaches the king in the inner court without being summoned the king has but one law: that they be put to death unless the king extends the gold scepter to them and spares their lives. But thirty days have passed since I was called to go to the king."
Zechariah 10:11
They will pass through the sea of trouble; the surging sea will be subdued and all the depths of the Nile will dry up. Assyria's pride will be brought down and Egypt's scepter will pass away.
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
1 Corinthians 4
I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words of those who are arrogant but their power.20For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.21What do you desire? Shall I come to you with a rod, or with love and a spirit of gentleness?
Hebrews 9:4
having a golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden jar holding the manna, and Aaron's rod which budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Matthew 27:29
They twisted a wreath of thorny twigs and put it on His head, and they put a sceptre of cane in His right hand, and kneeling to Him they shouted in mockery, "Long live the King of the Jews!"
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scep·ter (sptr)
n.
1. A staff held by a sovereign as an emblem of authority.
2. Ruling power or authority; sovereignty.
tr.v. scep·tered, scep·ter·ing, scep·ters
To invest with royal authority.
1. a rod or wand borne in the hand as an emblem of regal or imperial power.
2. royal or imperial power or authority; sovereignty.
v.t.
3. to give a scepter to; invest with authority.
sceptre (ˈseptə(r)) (American) scepter (ˈseptə) noun
the ornamental rod carried by a monarch on ceremonial occasions as a sign of power.
scep·ter noun \ˈsep-tər\
Definition of SCEPTER
1
: a staff or baton borne by a sovereign as an emblem of authority
2
: royal or imperial authority : sovereignty
Illustration of SCEPTER
Origin of SCEPTER
Middle English sceptre, from Anglo-French septre, from Latin sceptrum, from Greek skēptron staff, scepter, from skēptesthai to prop oneself — more at shaft
First Known Use: 14th century
2scepter transitive verb
scep·teredscep·ter·ing
Definition of SCEPTER
: to invest with the scepter in token of royal authority
First Known Use of SCEPTER
1526
~
HEBREW:
Genesis 49:10
The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh shall come: and to him shall be the gathering of the people.
shebet: rod, staff, club, scepter, tribe
Original Word: שָׁ֫בֶט
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: shebet
Phonetic Spelling: (shay'-bet)
Short Definition: tribes
rod, staff, club, scepter, tribe
club (4), correction (1), half-tribe* (22), rod (27), scepter (11), scepters (1), spears (1), staff (1), tribe (40), tribes (83).
189 noun masculineNumbers 24:17 (feminineEzek 21:15,18 but corrupt):
1 rod, staff, club, sceptre.
2 tribe; — ׳שׁ absolute Genesis 49:10+, construct 1 Samuel 10:20 +; שָׁ֑טֶ Deuteronomy 1:23 +; sf שִׁבְטוֺ Judges 21:24+, etc.; plural שְׁבָטִים 1 Kings 11:31 +, construct שִׁבְטֵי Genesis 49:16 +, sf שְׁבָטֶיךָ Deuteronomy 12:14 +, etc.; —
1.a. rod, staff (evidently common article), for smiting (especially׳הִכָּה בַשּׁ) Exodus 21:20 (E), Micah 4:14; Isaiah 10:15 (in simile; "" מַטֶּה), Proverbs 10:13 +; מוּסָר ׳שׁ compare Proverbs 29:15; for beating (חָבַט) cummin Isaiah 28:27 ("" מַטֶּה); as (inferior) weapon (opposed to חֲנִית) 2 Samuel 23:21= 1 Chronicles 11:3 (compareמַקֵּל 1 Samuel 17:40,43); figurative of ׳יs chastisement: national Isaiah 10:24; Isaiah 30:31 (both "" מַטֶּה), Isaiah 14:29, אַמִּי ׳שׁ Isaiah 10:5 עֶבְרָתוֺ ׳שׁ Lamentations 3:1; individual Job 9:34; Job 21:9 (אֱלוֺהַּ ׳שׁ), Job 37:13, 2 Samuel 7:14 (אֲנָשִׁים ׳שׁ, i.e. not in-human), Psalm 89:33 (both "" נְגָעִים).
b. shaft, i.e. spear, dart, 2 Samuel 18:14, but < read שְׁלָחִים ᵐ5 βέλη Th We Kit HPS Bu.
c. shepherd's implement, club, Psalm 23:4 ("" מִשְׁעֶנֶת), ׳רְעֵה בְשׁ Micah 7:14 (both figurative of ׳י); used in mustering or counting sheep Ezekiel 20:37 (figurative), Leviticus 27:32 (compare Jeremiah 33:13), see MackieHast. DB RoD
d. truncheon, sceptre, mark of authority, סֹפֵר ׳שׁ Judges 5:14, משְׁלִים ׳שׁ Isaiah 14:5 ("" מַטֶּה), Genesis 49:10 (poem in J; ("" מְהֹקֵק), Zechariah 10:11 (Psalm 45:7 (twice in verse); Ezekiel 19:11,14 (made from a branch, מַטֶּה); a ruler is ׳תּוֺמֵךְ שׁ Amos 1:5,8; as symbol of conquest Numbers 24:17 (JE); בַּרְזֶל ׳שׁ Psalm 2:9 (of Messianic king);הָרֶשַׁע ׳שׁ Psalm 125:3; עֶבְרָתוֺ ׳שׁ Proverbs 22:8 (si vera lectio, compare Frankenb. Toy). — see מַטֶּה, מַקֵּל, מִשְׁעֶנֶת.
2 145:tribe (synonymמַטֶּה, q. v.
3, p. 641:b), especially
a. of (12) tribes of Israel, Genesis 49:16,28 (poem in J), Deuteronomy 33:5 (poem), Exodus 24:4 (E), + often [J E 13 t., D 28 t. (מַטֶּה J E D), P 9 t. (compare GrayNumbers 4:18; ׳מ150t. + in P); Judges 15 t. (never ׳מ), Samuel 14 t. (never ׳מ), Kings 13 t,. (׳מ2t.), Chronicles 15 t. (׳מ23t.), Psalms, 7 t. (never ׳מ), prophets 16 t. (׳מ Habakkuk 3:9, very dubious)]; Judges 20:12; 1 Samuel 9:21 read שֵׁבֶט (or שִׁבְטִי Ges§ 90 I, We Sta§ 343 e Dr, for שִׁבְטֵי), Vrss (GFMJu); שִׁבְטֵייָֿהּ Psalm 122:4; שִׁבְטֵי נַחֲלָתֶ֑ךָ Isaiah 63:17.
b. singular of people (of Judah, late) Psalm 74:2, but Jeremiah 10:16 = Jeremiah 51:19 strike out ׳נ ׳שׁ Gf Gie Du.
c. of subdivision of tribe, ׳מִשְׁמְּחוֺת וגו ׳שׁ Numbers 4:18 (P). — 2 Samuel 7:7 read שֹׁפְטֵי (compare 2 Samuel 7:11, "" 1 Chronicles 17:6, Ew Th We Dr HPS Bu and others)
correction, dart, rod, scepter, staff, tribe
From an unused root probably meaning to branch off; a scion, i.e. (literally) a stick (for punishing, writing, fighting, ruling, walking, etc.) Or (figuratively) a clan -- X correction, dart, rod, sceptre, staff, tribe.
........
Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
rhabdos: a staff, rod
Original Word: ῥάβδος, ου, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: rhabdos
Phonetic Spelling: (hrab'-dos)
Short Definition: a rod, staff
Definition: a rod, staff, staff of authority, scepter.
Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
a staff, rod
rod (5), scepter (2), staff (5).
STRONGS NT 4464: ῤάβδος
ῤάβδος, ῤάβδου, ἡ (probably akin to ῤαπίς, Latinverber; cf. Curtius, § 513), in various senses from Homer down; the Sept. for מַטֶּה, שֵׁבֶט, מַקֵּל, מִשְׁעֶנֶת, etc., a staff; walking-stick: equivalent to a twig, rod, branch, Hebrews 9:4 (Numbers 17:2ff, Hebrew text ff); Revelation 11:1; a rod, with which one is beaten, 1 Corinthians 4:21 (Plato, legg. 3, p. 700 c.; Plutarch, others; πατάσσειν τινα ἐν ῤάβδῳ, Exodus 21:20; Isaiah 10:24); a staff: as used on a journey, Matthew 10:10; Mark 6:8; Luke 9:3; or to lean upon, Hebrews 11:21 (after the Sept. of Genesis 47:31, where the translators read מַטֶּה, for מִטָּה, a bed; (cf. προσκυνέω, a.)); or by shepherds, Revelation 2:27; Revelation 12:5; Revelation 19:15, in which passages as ἐν ῤάβδῳ ποιμαίνειν is figuratively applied to a king, so ῤάβδῳ σιδηρᾷ, with a rod of iron, indicates the severest, most rigorous, rule; hence, ῤάβδος is equivalent to a royal scepter (like שֵׁבֶט, Psalm 2:9; Psalm 45:8; for שַׁרְבִיט, Esther 4:11; Esther 5:2): Hebrews 1:8 (from Psalm 45:8).
rod, scepter, staff.
From the base of rhapizo; a stick or wand (as a cudgel, a cane or a baton of royalty) -- rod, sceptre, staff.
see GREEK rhapizo
...
A Shepherd Looks At Psalm 23
There is a second dimension in which the rod is used by the shepherd for the welfare of his sheep -- namely that of discipline. The club is used for this purpose perhaps more than any other.
If the shepherd saw a sheep wandering away from its own, or approaching poisonous weeds, or getting too close to danger of one sort or another, the club would go whistling through the air to send the wayward animal scurrying back to the bunch.
Another interesting use of the rod in the shepherd's hand was to examine and count the sheep. In the terminology of the Old Testament this was referred to as passing "under the rod":
And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: (Ezek. 20:37).
This meant not only coming under the owner's control and authority, but also to be subject to his most careful, intimate and firsthand examination. A sheep that passed "under the rod" was one which had been counted and looked over with great care to make sure all was well with it.
Because of their long wool it is not always easy to detect disease, wounds, or defects in sheep. For example at a sheep show an inferiour animal can be clipped and shaped and shown so as to appear a perfect specimen. But the skilled judge will take his rod and part the sheep's wool to determine the condition of the skin, the cleanliness of the fleece and the conformation of the body. In plain language, "One just does not pull the wool over his [judge's] eyes."
In caring for his sheep, the good shepherd, the careful manager, will from time to time make a careful examination of each individual sheep. As each animal comes out of the corral and through the gate, it is stopped by the shepherd's outstretched rod. He opens the fleece with the rod; he runs his skillful hands over the body; he feels for any sign of trouble; he examines the sheep with care to see if all is well. This is a most searching process entailing every intimate detail. It is, too, a comfort to the sheep for only in this way can its hidden problems be laid bare before the shepherd.
Finally the shepherd's rod is an instrument of protection both for himself and his sheep when they are in danger. It is used both as a defense and a deterrent against anything that would attack.
The skilled shepherd uses his rod to drive off predators like coyotes, wolves, cougars or stray dogs. Often it is used to beat the brush discouraging snakes and other creatures from disturbing the flock. In extreme causes, such as David recounted to Saul, the psalmist no doubt used his rod to attack the lion and the bear that came to raid his flocks.
Phillip Keller
Revelation 2
26The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star. 29 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
AND HE SHALL RULE ποιμανεῖ poimanei 4165 to act as a shepherd from poimén
poimainó: to act as a shepherd
Original Word: ποιμαίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: poimainó
Phonetic Spelling: (poy-mah'-ee-no)
Short Definition: I shepherd, tend
Definition: I shepherd, tend, herd; hence: I rule, govern.
Cognate: 4165 poimaínō – properly, to shepherd, caring for (protecting) the flock.
4165 /poimaínō ("shepherding, pastoring") is distinct from "feeding" (1006 /bóskō). 4165 (poimaínō) focuses on "tending" ("shepherding") (WS, 274), which includes guarding, guiding, and folding the flock and is only provided (ultimately) by Jesus Christ – the Shepherd, who calls under-shepherds (such as elder-overseers) to guard and guide His people by His direction (1 Pet 5:1-5). See 4166 (poimēn).
[4165 /poimaínō ("to shepherd, tend") occurs 11 times in the NT, usually with a figurative sense of "shepherding (tending) God's flock." This provides Spirit-directed guidance (care) conjunction with feeding His people (teaching them Scripture).]
THEM WITH A ROD ῥάβδῳ rabdō 4464 a staff, rod a prim. word
rhabdos: a staff, rod
Original Word: ῥάβδος, ου, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: rhabdos
Phonetic Spelling: (hrab'-dos)
Short Definition: a rod, staff
Definition: a rod, staff, staff of authority, scepter.
Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
a staff, rod
NASB Translation
rod (5), scepter (2), staff (5).
OF IRON, σιδηρᾷ sidēra 4603 iron a prim. word
sidéros: iron
Original Word: σιδήρεος, έα, εον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: sidéros
Phonetic Spelling: (sid-ay'-reh-os)
Short Definition: made of iron
Definition: made of iron.
Strong's Greek 4603
5 Occurrences
AS THE VESSELS σκεύη skeuē 4632 a vessel, implement, pl. goods a prim. word
skeuos: a vessel, implement, pl. goods
Original Word: σκεῦος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: skeuos
Phonetic Spelling: (skyoo'-os)
Short Definition: a vessel to contain liquid, utensil, tackle
Definition: a vessel to contain liquid; a vessel of mercy or wrath; any instrument by which anything is done; a household utensil; of ships: tackle.
Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
a vessel, implement, pl. goods
article (2), container (1), goods (1), instrument (1), jar (1), merchandise (1), object (3), property (2), sea anchor (1), someone (1), vessel (3), vessels (6).
OF THE POTTER κεραμικὰ keramika 2764 earthen from keramos
keramikos: earthen
Original Word: κεραμικός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: keramikos
Phonetic Spelling: (ker-am-ik-os')
Short Definition: of clay, made by a potter
Definition: of clay, made by a potter, earthen.
Word Origin
from keramos
Definition
earthen
potter (1).
ARE BROKEN TO PIECES, συντρίβεται suntribetai 4937 to break in pieces, crush from sun and the same as tribos
suntribó: to break in pieces, crush
Original Word: συντρίβω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: suntribó
Phonetic Spelling: (soon-tree'-bo)
Short Definition: I break by crushing
Definition: I break by crushing, break in pieces, shatter, crush, bruise.
Word Origin
from sun and the same as tribos
Definition
to break in pieces, crush
battered (1), broke (1), broken (1), broken in pieces (1), broken to pieces (1), crush (1), mauling (1).
as I also καὶ kai 2532 and, even, also a prim. conjunction
have received 2983 to take, receive from a prim. root lab-
[authority] from My Father; 3962 a father a prim. word
~
Jeremiah 18:6
He said, "Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?" declares the LORD. "Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel.
So are ye in mine hand - When a vessel was ruined, the potter did not throw it away, but crushed it together, dashed it back upon the wheel, and began his work afresh, until the clay had taken the predetermined shape. It was God's purpose that Judaea should become the proper scene for the manifestation of the Messiah, and her sons be fit to receive the Saviour's teaching and carry the good tidings to all lands. If therefore at any stage of the preparation the Jewish nation took such a course as would have frustrated this purpose of Providence, it was crushed by affliction into an unresisting mass, in which the formative process began again immediately.
Barnes
Cannot I do with you as this potter? - Have I not a right to do with a people whom I have created as reason and justice may require? If they do not answer my intentions, may I not reject and destroy them; and act as this potter, make a new vessel out of that which at first did not succeed in his hands?
Clarke
Matthew 20
Laborers in the Vineyard
1“For the kingdom of heaven is like a master of a house who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2After agreeing with the laborers for a denariusa a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3And going out about the third hour he saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4and to them he said, ‘You go into the vineyard too, and whatever is right I will give you.’ 5So they went. Going out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour, he did the same. 6And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing. And he said to them, ‘Why do you stand here idle all day?’ 7They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You go into the vineyard too.’ 8And when evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last, up to the first.’ 9And when those hired about the eleventh hour came, each of them received a denarius. 10Now when those hired first came, they thought they would receive more, but each of them also received a denarius. 11And on receiving it they grumbled at the master of the house, 12saying, ‘These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.’ 13But he replied to one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this last worker as I give to you. 15Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’b 16So the last will be first, and the first last.”
sorry for stream-of-consciousness-rambling-derailment ricky.
exit
26The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from my Father. 28 And I will give him the morning star. 29 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’
AND HE SHALL RULE ποιμανεῖ poimanei 4165 to act as a shepherd from poimén
poimainó: to act as a shepherd
Original Word: ποιμαίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: poimainó
Phonetic Spelling: (poy-mah'-ee-no)
Short Definition: I shepherd, tend
Definition: I shepherd, tend, herd; hence: I rule, govern.
Cognate: 4165 poimaínō – properly, to shepherd, caring for (protecting) the flock.
4165 /poimaínō ("shepherding, pastoring") is distinct from "feeding" (1006 /bóskō). 4165 (poimaínō) focuses on "tending" ("shepherding") (WS, 274), which includes guarding, guiding, and folding the flock and is only provided (ultimately) by Jesus Christ – the Shepherd, who calls under-shepherds (such as elder-overseers) to guard and guide His people by His direction (1 Pet 5:1-5). See 4166 (poimēn).
[4165 /poimaínō ("to shepherd, tend") occurs 11 times in the NT, usually with a figurative sense of "shepherding (tending) God's flock." This provides Spirit-directed guidance (care) conjunction with feeding His people (teaching them Scripture).]
THEM WITH A ROD ῥάβδῳ rabdō 4464 a staff, rod a prim. word
rhabdos: a staff, rod
Original Word: ῥάβδος, ου, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: rhabdos
Phonetic Spelling: (hrab'-dos)
Short Definition: a rod, staff
Definition: a rod, staff, staff of authority, scepter.
Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
a staff, rod
NASB Translation
rod (5), scepter (2), staff (5).
OF IRON, σιδηρᾷ sidēra 4603 iron a prim. word
sidéros: iron
Original Word: σιδήρεος, έα, εον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: sidéros
Phonetic Spelling: (sid-ay'-reh-os)
Short Definition: made of iron
Definition: made of iron.
Strong's Greek 4603
5 Occurrences
AS THE VESSELS σκεύη skeuē 4632 a vessel, implement, pl. goods a prim. word
skeuos: a vessel, implement, pl. goods
Original Word: σκεῦος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: skeuos
Phonetic Spelling: (skyoo'-os)
Short Definition: a vessel to contain liquid, utensil, tackle
Definition: a vessel to contain liquid; a vessel of mercy or wrath; any instrument by which anything is done; a household utensil; of ships: tackle.
Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
a vessel, implement, pl. goods
article (2), container (1), goods (1), instrument (1), jar (1), merchandise (1), object (3), property (2), sea anchor (1), someone (1), vessel (3), vessels (6).
OF THE POTTER κεραμικὰ keramika 2764 earthen from keramos
keramikos: earthen
Original Word: κεραμικός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: keramikos
Phonetic Spelling: (ker-am-ik-os')
Short Definition: of clay, made by a potter
Definition: of clay, made by a potter, earthen.
Word Origin
from keramos
Definition
earthen
potter (1).
ARE BROKEN TO PIECES, συντρίβεται suntribetai 4937 to break in pieces, crush from sun and the same as tribos
suntribó: to break in pieces, crush
Original Word: συντρίβω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: suntribó
Phonetic Spelling: (soon-tree'-bo)
Short Definition: I break by crushing
Definition: I break by crushing, break in pieces, shatter, crush, bruise.
Word Origin
from sun and the same as tribos
Definition
to break in pieces, crush
battered (1), broke (1), broken (1), broken in pieces (1), broken to pieces (1), crush (1), mauling (1).
as I also καὶ kai 2532 and, even, also a prim. conjunction
have received 2983 to take, receive from a prim. root lab-
[authority] from My Father; 3962 a father a prim. word
~
Jeremiah 18:6
He said, "Can I not do with you, Israel, as this potter does?" declares the LORD. "Like clay in the hand of the potter, so are you in my hand, Israel.
So are ye in mine hand - When a vessel was ruined, the potter did not throw it away, but crushed it together, dashed it back upon the wheel, and began his work afresh, until the clay had taken the predetermined shape. It was God's purpose that Judaea should become the proper scene for the manifestation of the Messiah, and her sons be fit to receive the Saviour's teaching and carry the good tidings to all lands. If therefore at any stage of the preparation the Jewish nation took such a course as would have frustrated this purpose of Providence, it was crushed by affliction into an unresisting mass, in which the formative process began again immediately.
Barnes
Cannot I do with you as this potter? - Have I not a right to do with a people whom I have created as reason and justice may require? If they do not answer my intentions, may I not reject and destroy them; and act as this potter, make a new vessel out of that which at first did not succeed in his hands?
Clarke
Matthew 20
Laborers in the Vineyard
1“For the kingdom of heaven is like a master of a house who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2After agreeing with the laborers for a denariusa a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3And going out about the third hour he saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4and to them he said, ‘You go into the vineyard too, and whatever is right I will give you.’ 5So they went. Going out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour, he did the same. 6And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing. And he said to them, ‘Why do you stand here idle all day?’ 7They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You go into the vineyard too.’ 8And when evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last, up to the first.’ 9And when those hired about the eleventh hour came, each of them received a denarius. 10Now when those hired first came, they thought they would receive more, but each of them also received a denarius. 11And on receiving it they grumbled at the master of the house, 12saying, ‘These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.’ 13But he replied to one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this last worker as I give to you. 15Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’b 16So the last will be first, and the first last.”
sorry for stream-of-consciousness-rambling-derailment ricky.
exit
Joking is a two-way street. Obviously you meant your picture with no comment beyond what it itself said, in light hearted jest.
I only acknowledged what the picture you posted seem to be saying.
Was I wrong?
Sorry if I was wrong and that has somehow offended you.
But I insult no one with Bible verses. If they are offended by what I say, then it is already in their heart to be offended.
I only acknowledged what the picture you posted seem to be saying.
Was I wrong?
Sorry if I was wrong and that has somehow offended you.
But I insult no one with Bible verses. If they are offended by what I say, then it is already in their heart to be offended.
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I accept your sincerity in saying that but you are taking one thing said by Jesus at Matthew 25 and applying it to the entire world while every other parable Jesus gave in that Chapter was to do with the church who are first to be selected and judged out of all of the nations.
I sympathize with what you say you see. I just see a bit more than that.
But if you don't want me to comment on your posts all you need do is tell me so.
I sympathize with what you say you see. I just see a bit more than that.
But if you don't want me to comment on your posts all you need do is tell me so.
The whole quote is:
"“What is man, that you are mindful of him, or the son of man, that you care for him?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]You made him for a little while lower than the angels;
you have crowned him with glory and honor,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] putting everything in subjection under his feet.”
Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." Hebrews 2:6-9
First this is a quote from Psalm 8. It is the fulfillment of an important prophecy. Because in verse 9, we see Jesus is crowned with glory and honor. He is the king!!! And a king rules over a kingdom.
I think we need to really look closely at this idea that things are not subject to Christ. Because if that is true, God is not in control. That means he is NOT sovereign. I prefer to believe the Bible and that Christ is sovereign.
"Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. [SUP]13 [/SUP]I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony beforePontius Pilate made the good confession,[SUP]14 [/SUP]to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,[SUP]15 [/SUP]which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, [SUP]16 [/SUP]who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen." 1 Tim. 6:12-16
To me the only dangerous theology is one which thinks that Satan is in control of this earth, that Christ is not sovereign.
God is in control!
"And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28
My thought is everyone needs to read the book of Job one more time. Who allowed Job to suffer? God. Who was the one who proved he was in control of everything, even before Christ came to earth and went to the cross for our sins? God! Who used the devil to show his greatness? God! Who knows the beginning from the end? God!
"Who has first given to me, that I should repay him?
Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine." Job 41:11
While there is no doubt we do need to be aware of the enemy and his minions by walking close to God, and standing firm.
"Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil." Eph. 6:11
But ultimately, the goal of every Christian should be to worship the Creator God, who didn't just set things in motion, and wring his hands because things got out of control. God is intimately involved with all creation, and he is the one who has set the kingdom in motion, and is working out the entire plan of his return in power and glory.
"In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,
which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight [SUP]9 [/SUP]making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ [SUP]10 [/SUP]as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth." Eph. 1:7-10
And just in case anyone might think that the "fullness of time" is some future date, here is what it means:
"But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons." Gal 4:4-5
Therefore, Christ is in control over EVERYTHING!! Not just Christians! That is the heritage of the Reformation - the Sovereignty of God!!
"“What is man, that you are mindful of him, or the son of man, that you care for him?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]You made him for a little while lower than the angels;
you have crowned him with glory and honor,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] putting everything in subjection under his feet.”
Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." Hebrews 2:6-9
First this is a quote from Psalm 8. It is the fulfillment of an important prophecy. Because in verse 9, we see Jesus is crowned with glory and honor. He is the king!!! And a king rules over a kingdom.
I think we need to really look closely at this idea that things are not subject to Christ. Because if that is true, God is not in control. That means he is NOT sovereign. I prefer to believe the Bible and that Christ is sovereign.
"Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses. [SUP]13 [/SUP]I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony beforePontius Pilate made the good confession,[SUP]14 [/SUP]to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,[SUP]15 [/SUP]which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, [SUP]16 [/SUP]who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen." 1 Tim. 6:12-16
To me the only dangerous theology is one which thinks that Satan is in control of this earth, that Christ is not sovereign.
God is in control!
"And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28
My thought is everyone needs to read the book of Job one more time. Who allowed Job to suffer? God. Who was the one who proved he was in control of everything, even before Christ came to earth and went to the cross for our sins? God! Who used the devil to show his greatness? God! Who knows the beginning from the end? God!
"Who has first given to me, that I should repay him?
Whatever is under the whole heaven is mine." Job 41:11
While there is no doubt we do need to be aware of the enemy and his minions by walking close to God, and standing firm.
"Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil." Eph. 6:11
But ultimately, the goal of every Christian should be to worship the Creator God, who didn't just set things in motion, and wring his hands because things got out of control. God is intimately involved with all creation, and he is the one who has set the kingdom in motion, and is working out the entire plan of his return in power and glory.
"In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,
which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight [SUP]9 [/SUP]making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ [SUP]10 [/SUP]as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth." Eph. 1:7-10
And just in case anyone might think that the "fullness of time" is some future date, here is what it means:
"But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons." Gal 4:4-5
Therefore, Christ is in control over EVERYTHING!! Not just Christians! That is the heritage of the Reformation - the Sovereignty of God!!
Yes that is the whole quote from Psalms but not from Hebrews. Paul was clearly saying that was not yet seen fully fulfilled.
And it is indeed not yet fulfilled in it's entirety.
But thanks for further proving that it is the human throne of David being spoken of.
I will save the best for last as I always do, while you work out the tid bits I choose to share for now.
Actually not me but God, whom called me.
And it is indeed not yet fulfilled in it's entirety.
But thanks for further proving that it is the human throne of David being spoken of.
I will save the best for last as I always do, while you work out the tid bits I choose to share for now.
Actually not me but God, whom called me.
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Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. [And sat down at the Father's right hand: Hebrews 1:13; 1 Peter 3:22]
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing [first the true temple church of Christ] many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, [But there will also be children of the last Adam and of his body of brothers. For fathers are what they are groomed to become. The fountains of living water, Revelation 7:17, the brother's of Christ as teachers, the completed body of teachers after the image of Christ are first. Then the their children are born needing to be taught of them. God does not put the cart before the horse.]
12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. [And sat down at the Father's right hand: Hebrews 1:13; 1 Peter 3:22]
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing [first the true temple church of Christ] many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, [But there will also be children of the last Adam and of his body of brothers. For fathers are what they are groomed to become. The fountains of living water, Revelation 7:17, the brother's of Christ as teachers, the completed body of teachers after the image of Christ are first. Then the their children are born needing to be taught of them. God does not put the cart before the horse.]
12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Psalms 110:
Psalms 110:1 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of [not yet over them but in the midst of the not yet subdued] thine enemies [to form his church body].
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
Hebrews 2:
8 "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him."
Psalms 110:1 "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of [not yet over them but in the midst of the not yet subdued] thine enemies [to form his church body].
3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
Hebrews 2:
8 "Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him."
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thats ok the verse you alluded to was Jesus telling the Pharisees they were going to die in their sins.
Ill ponder on it im sure its funny.
My picture was to and about those who argue to the point of emotional near overload
Yet havnt done their homework and wont just let up and read and not partake.
Looked like a jab. Sorry.
Ill ponder on it im sure its funny.
My picture was to and about those who argue to the point of emotional near overload
Yet havnt done their homework and wont just let up and read and not partake.
Looked like a jab. Sorry.
And I do benefit from the depth of your intellectual experience. It's quite impressive.No, on the contrary, there will be no sin or death in the millenium. satan is bound and abyssed, and mans direct connection to God is restored, so there will be no inducement to sin. Or die. People will be de-facto Christians by virtue of there being no other option. Again, the purpose of the millenium is to restore the physical rule over this world that Adam lost when he fell. Think back to Adam's life before the fall and there was no sin, there was no death. Adam lived in the Garden, and under the Messiahs restoration the world will become garden again, as it was with pre-fall Adam.
oh stop it.
there's no literal throne of David.
but by all means try to prove there is.
where is it now? is Queen Liz sitting on it?
do you believe in British Israelism?
is the Lord of Glory going to sit on a throne made by men?
look how people argue with what the text actually says!
don't keep me in suspense, kardiaoangelous....just give your best now.
i don't do mysterious mystic well.