A dangerous theology?

[MrsAsghar]

God speaks to each and everyone of His children, not with an audible voice mind you, but He speaks to the heart and the conscience. He will reveal His word to us a little at a time. He knows when we are ready to understand certain things that He is ready to teach us. Just like babies cannot have solid foods but must start out with milk, so is the young Christian, someone new to the faith, He will only feed them certain things that He knows they will be able to understand in order to grow. The more one grows in their faith and Christian walk, the more He reveals to them over time. We begin to eat solid food, then feast upon His word. No one knows it all, no matter how long we have been in the faith, there is still much for Him to show us, teach us and learn.

If ones heart is open to God then yes, He will use them as His tool or instrument in order to touch someone elses life, or to reveal things or help guide them. But one has to be in tune with Him and be willing to listen and be willing to be used by Him. There are times where He has spoken clearly to my heart to guide me in life in what to do. He has also used me when there was something He wanted me to share with someone else. When that happens, I pray first, keep my mind clear and let Him type through me. At those times, I can never take credit for those things said, all the glory and credit goes to Him.

Do you not think that God uses people? Do you think He does not speak to people? Noah is an excellent example of God speaking to one of His children and using him to save others. Noah didn't just build the ark just for the sake of doing something, he didn't even know how to build one...God spoke to him and told him and guided him on how to do it and what to do.

"How are we to know that 'you are always submitting' to Him?" (or anyone for that matter). Easy, you will know by a persons fruits, their character, the way they speak to others, their actions, their consistencies. If they speak with love, and genuine care and concern and with respect and consideration. If they are being rude, short and snippy when they talk, making digs and nasty comments, then that will surely tell you where their heart truly lies.

I can tell just from sitting back and letting others continually talk and how they say things, whether or not they are truly walking with Christ. People reveal a lot about their heart and their character when there are many words spoken.

As for "Where do you people come from?" We come from God, we are chosen by Him and set apart from the world. We are called to share with others the love of God, all He has done, and how much He loves you and that He came to earth to save.

Hope this helps and hope it has answered your puzzling questions. God bless and take care

 

[Christabel]

ah...because i don't gurgle in unrecognizable noises and says it's the languages spoken of at pentecost?

because i give thanks for answered prayer when someone's healed but don't pretend Stuart the healer performed a miracle?

because i never say myself, nor listen to anyone who says "Thus saith The Lord"; "God told me, zone...i want you to go over that red car, and tell the man in it he will receive a letter in the mail..."?

if you're suggesting i'm not saved, sealed by the Spirit, being delivered (gr - AGO) by the Spirit....you're entitled to your position. i'm used to it.

see it all the time from the if you're not slurring and staggering drunk the spirit you don't know what you're missing kinda thing crew. ya i know.

got the t-shirt. got delivered. know what it is. never want anything to do with it again. dishonoring God with counterfeit nonsense.

i notice this sad propensity among pentecostals and charismatics to assume anyone who doesn't partake of the Azusa Street phenomenon isn't spiritual; or isn't saved.

odd how that goes hand-in-hand with the stupendous belief that the King was confounded, the Kingdom is postponed and Israel is the focus of everything (idolatry).

i dunno - i don't recognize that gospel. it's some religion or other.
fake eschatology is the driver.

Your angry and often offensive sarcasm reveals your lack of spiritual growth, not all that other stuff. Then again, maybe all that other stuff does too.

 

[HollyLoree]

Remind me here - What is it called when we attribute evil to the Spirit of God?

I think that's called blasphemy.

 

[MrsAsghar]

Your angry and often offensive sarcasm reveals your lack of spiritual growth, not all that other stuff. Then again, maybe all that other stuff does too.

I have noticed this too, (not just with zone), I understand that not everyone is where another is in their Christian walk (spiritual growth), but what I don't understand is why some are asking questions (seemingly wanting to learn) and then when others answer their questions, they jump all over them with both feet and are rude, sarcastic and puts everything that person says down. If one isn't serious about learning, then why ask questions, unless it is only to keep things stirred up and to cause strife between others. When there are many words spoken, it reveals what truly lies in a persons heart.

And again I will say what I have said in other threads. Don't believe everything people tell you. If someone asks a question and gets an answer or several different answers, they need to go to the Bible, open it, pray for God to reveal the truth to them, and then look it up for themselves to see if what they have been told goes with Gods word or contradicts the word of God. God will not leave a child sitting in confusion when they honestly and genuinely are searching for His truth and answers. He will let them know His truth.

 

[HollyLoree]

What I see on these threads is that apparently we are no longer saved by accepting Christ as our personal Lord and Savior and then picking up our cross and following Him each day of the rest of our lives. We are to sit on chat sites and play numbers games that supposedly (if we have whatever ability it apparently takes to figure all these mysterious secrets out) tell us which doctrines are true and which are false, along with being nasty, demeaning, and sarcastic to other believers if they apparently didn't figure out whatever mysterious number games HAVE to be figured out or we just plain won't be saved! Lemme think. Speaking of scriptures, here's one in particular....

Luke 18:13-16
13 But the tax collector stood at a distance. He wouldn’t even lift his eyes to look toward heaven. Rather, he struck his chest and said, ‘God, show mercy to me, a sinner.’ 14 I tell you, this person went down to his home justified rather than the Pharisee. All who lift themselves up will be brought low, and those who make themselves low will be lifted up.”

Being saved isn't about pomping yourself up because you supposedly know more than everyone else about doctrines, it's about calling upon God through Christ Jesus your Lord and savior, asking for forgiveness according to His mercy and grace.

 

[MrsAsghar]

One thing I have noticed, out of everything being said...I have yet to see one person say, "Hey thanks for the insight, not sure if I agree with that, but let me go and look it up for myself and check it out".

Or "This is what I was taught this to mean and my understanding of this passage, but please check it out for yourself and pray about it".

It sure would be refreshing to see something like that rather than the arguing and bickering back and forth. I understand some have excellent points and I agree with some, but to keep going over it with someone who clearly isn't interested in finding out the truth for themselves, one is only keeping the fire going and falling right into the snare Satan has set. His main goal is to keep the family of God at odds with each other and keep people in confusion.

When we constantly go back and forth at each other, it is ruining our testimonies. Yes, we need to be open and share to help others, but use discernment and not get into heated battles with those that clearly have no intentions of listening or wanting to understand and check things out for themselves in order to grow.

Love you all my brothers and sisters, let's be strong and not give Satan what he wants. United we are strong, when we are divided, that is when we will fall and Satan wins. And we all know what happens to Satan in the end...he is a defeated foe!

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Gotcha. All here can take your computer typed words as direct revelation/instruction from our Father God Himself (as long as you are submitting fully) ? One question for you though. How are we to know that "you are always submitting fully" to Him ? One more serious question. Where do you people come from ?? Good grief.

Well, you can certainly take them as God's revelation to me.

It is good to cautiously examine things as we do know, 1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.."

So you are OK to question that.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

"One question for you though. How are we to know that "you are always submitting fully" to Him?"

1 John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

Your answer is in how we do that.

What is our Touch Stone?

 

[kardiaoangelous]

One spirit may say to me, "That person who sneaks in here and upsets little things in my life has no right to be doing so and if I can find who they are I will confront them to give them a piece of my mind and warn them to stop!"

But another spirit says, "Why do you put so much effort into resisting those I allow to interfere with you that you might learn self-control and unshakable obedience to my love by means of them?"

Which spirit would you say is of God and the one that is best I obey?

How did you learn that?

 

[Stephen63]

please provide the passage which states a "Roman ruler sign an agreement with Israel for peace"

i really need to see this - it's an emergency.
apparently it's in there, but I CAN'T FIND IT - WHERE IS IT?

Sorry to have taken so long. Let me see....... you call it what ever you like...... Romans, Greeks, etc. Maybe I got the name wrong. So, somebody somewhere of some nation called Antichrist makes some sort of agreement, peace treaty, whatever with Israel. I don't care what they're called........ whoever they are, they are going to be listed in ancient history. Since you apparently know who it is, please enlighten me with that piece of history, because it's bound to be on the Internet somewhere. That person is supposed to desecrate the Temple of the Jews. That person is supposed to show himself to be a false Messiah. And if he did this around 70 A.D., like most cessationists said he did, I just assumed somehow ignorantly that he would be a Roman.

 

[Stephen63]

ah...because i don't gurgle in unrecognizable noises and says it's the languages spoken of at pentecost?

because i give thanks for answered prayer when someone's healed but don't pretend Stuart the healer performed a miracle?

because i never say myself, nor listen to anyone who says "Thus saith The Lord"; "God told me, zone...i want you to go over that red car, and tell the man in it he will receive a letter in the mail..."?

if you're suggesting i'm not saved, sealed by the Spirit, being delivered (gr - AGO) by the Spirit....you're entitled to your position. i'm used to it.

see it all the time from the if you're not slurring and staggering drunk the spirit you don't know what you're missing kinda thing crew. ya i know.

got the t-shirt. got delivered. know what it is. never want anything to do with it again. dishonoring God with counterfeit nonsense.

i notice this sad propensity among pentecostals and charismatics to assume anyone who doesn't partake of the Azusa Street phenomenon isn't spiritual; or isn't saved.

odd how that goes hand-in-hand with the stupendous belief that the King was confounded, the Kingdom is postponed and Israel is the focus of everything (idolatry).

i dunno - i don't recognize that gospel. it's some religion or other.
fake eschatology is the driver.

I see you're slamming Pentecostals again. Sounds like a judgment call to me. Now all the Pentecostals are bad because you said so. You get burnt by a name it and claim it group and they're all bad. If a Baptist Church did that to you, would all Baptist churches be bad? Presbyterian? Methodist?

 

[zone]

Sorry to have taken so long. Let me see....... you call it what ever you like...... Romans, Greeks, etc. Maybe I got the name wrong. So, somebody somewhere of some nation called Antichrist makes some sort of agreement, peace treaty, whatever with Israel. I don't care what they're called........ whoever they are, they are going to be listed in ancient history. Since you apparently know who it is, please enlighten me with that piece of history, because it's bound to be on the Internet somewhere. That person is supposed to desecrate the Temple of the Jews. That person is supposed to show himself to be a false Messiah. And if he did this around 70 A.D., like most cessationists said he did, I just assumed somehow ignorantly that he would be a Roman.

there is no peace treaty.
that was about Jesus confirming the New Covenant God has promised to Israel and Judah.

 

[zone]

I see you're slamming Pentecostals again. Sounds like a judgment call to me. Now all the Pentecostals are bad because you said so. You get burnt by a name it and claim it group and they're all bad. If a Baptist Church did that to you, would all Baptist churches be bad? Presbyterian? Methodist?

Lutherans get slammed all the time.

this is about things done/practiced in Pentecostalism that are bad/error.
i've been pretty clear on that.

cessationism is biblical - which mean continuationism is not.
no Pentecostal is a continuationist anyway.
they're Latter Rain.

right?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Lutherans get slammed all the time.

I can attest to this one. Often I am the one slamming, about Baptismal Regeneration.

 

[Stephen63]

Lutherans get slammed all the time.

this is about things done/practiced in Pentecostalism that are bad/error.
i've been pretty clear on that.

cessationism is biblical - which mean continuationism is not.
no Pentecostal is a continuationist anyway.
they're Latter Rain.

right?

Not all of them

 

[zone]

Not all of them

well stephen...are there many pentecostals who actually say the gifts continued throughout church history without ceasing (continued; continuationism)?

or was there a stop (ceasing; cessation) at some point - due to ________ insert reason(s)?

then a recent restart (pentecostalism; latter rain outpouring; ______ insert explanantion and/or name)?

 

[zone]

I can attest to this one. Often I am the one slamming, about Baptismal Regeneration.

ya i know diggs.

maybe the kids should have to wait until they can say i love Jesus
i wouldn't opposed to that.
don't tell my pastor i said so.

 

[Stephen63]

I see the church going downhill heading toward apostasy........I see FEMA stockpiling weapons without a single cut their budget...... their camps are already in place...... I see our government's nose in many countrie's business...... our government is on the verge of bankruptcy which could call for martial law...... the 1% is behind it all........ universalism is becoming more acceptable...... a one world government is just around the corner...... the stage is being set, but few are watching.

 

[RickyZ]

may i call bs on alot of this? alot of talk but very little scripture.
Am i wrong for having doubt when something is well received and believed
when theres no scripture?

You're right, fair enough. Here's the annotated version.

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What Will The 1,000 Year
Rule of Christ be Like?

Having rejected both God and Jesus, the world under the horde’s authority goes thru it’s catastrophes, with history repeating itself again and again. In the end these events increase in frequency and severity until finally it’s just constant woe. Jesus says enough, and comes to take authority over creation on earth. As He comes we are caught up to meet him, where some enter into a feast and others are shut out. He then returns to earth with us to take authority. So how will that work?

In Revelation 18 - 20, we see that Satan is bound for the 1,000 years and unable to act any longer. John is shown thrones, and judgment is given to those who are seated upon them. He sees those who were beheaded for Jesus’ name, those who did not worship the beast or his image, and those who did not take the mark of the beast. These live and reign with Christ for the 1,000 years. John is told that blessed are those who are Holy and have a part in it, for over them a second death has no power. And they shall be kings and priests with Christ for 1,000 years.

The word millennium is actually never used in the Bible. It’s man’s term for a 1,000 year period. During these particular 1,000 years, we see those who died for Jesus’ sake during the tribulation are put upon thrones to exercise judgment and authority with Christ on earth. We are told that having suffered as they did in their first death, they will not face the second, which we’ll find described later.

With the return of Jesus’ rule, the world is delivered from the bondage of corruption and returned to its garden state. Swords and spears beget plowshares and pruning hooks, and there is peace between the nations and no more war (Isaiah 2:4). Micah 4 speaks of the same things. God makes a covenant with the animals and ceases the violence, that all may lie down safely, and the earth responds with grain, wine, and oil. Isaiah 11, 13, and Ezekiel 34 and 36 also talk about nature being restored and man being at peace with the animals.

We saw earlier that the purpose of the Messiah is to restore all that was lost in Adam’s fall back to the way God intended. God’s intention with Adam was for Adam to exercise physical rule over this physical world. So to restore that which was intended requires the Messiah to establish a physical rule over this physical world. That is the whole point and intent of the 1,000 years. To restore the rule of Man over this world that Adam lost. All creation was impacted by man’s fall, and so all creation will be impacted by man’s redemption. On His way into Jerusalem, Jesus said that if He commanded the people to be quiet the rocks would cry out (Luke 19:39-40). And Paul tells us all creation groans for redemption (Rom 8:22). And all creation shall have it under Christ’s rule. Remember, the garden of Eden wasn’t destroyed, we were kicked out of it. Now, finally under the authority of Jesus, we will see our access to that garden restored here on earth.

And to digress, those who have pondered the fate of beloved pets should take some comfort in knowing that God has not forgotten the animals.

God also tells us that a single, pure language -which man lost at the tower of Babel (Genesis 11:10) - will be restored (Zeph. 3:9). Remember, under Adam man had a single spiritual language. To restore it’s loss, man will again have a single spiritual language. As Jesus has already won the authority to restore things in the heavenlies, we can exercise that linguistic authority here and now thru the conduit of the Holy Spirit. This is what speaking in tongues is all about, it is the exercising of our future restored spiritual language thru the Holy Spirit now. Tongues will not actually stop, they will cease to be known as tongues. And that’s because it’s really our native language in the end. We’re reading English as a second language, and some day it will be known as the tongue.

And please note that not everyone is caught up to be with Jesus upon His return, and not everyone dies in the tribulation/wrath. Remember, this is the end of an age, not the end of the world. There will be survivors, a remnant of this old world that remains to experience this revival with us.

Ah, peace, tranquility, and harmony, in a garden setting. The world running as it was designed to run. By the One who best knows how it was made to run. Sounds too good to last, don’t it?

What’s been happening with ol’ satan?

Back in Rev. 20:1-6 we saw that he was bound, made unable to act any longer, and locked in the Abyss while Christ reigns for the 1,000 years. John goes on (7-15) to describe what happens at the end of this time. satan is released after the 1,000 years, and goes forth to deceive the nations and gather them for battle. They surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire comes down from God and consumes them. Satan is then cast into the lake of fire, where he is tormented eternally. John then sees God on the Great White Throne, and heaven and earth disappear from His presence. All of the world’s dead stand before God and the books are opened. Then the Book of Life is opened, and anyone whose name is not found in it is also cast into the lake of fire. Then a new heaven and earth appear, because the old has passed away. John goes on to describe the new earth, which we’ll cover in the next chapter.

1 Cor 15:20-28 talks about the why and order of, first the resurrection, then the end of the age when the Kingdom is handed over to God. He reigns until every enemy is put under His feet, the last enemy being death. In Rev. 20:11-15 we find that the second death is the lake of fire, after all creation flees from before the Great White Throne.

So, after 1,000 years of Christ’s unimpeded rule over the restored garden on earth, Satan is let loose to once again make a play for authority. Just when it looks like the chips are about to fall, God says enough and burns their arses, this time permanently. That’s when we see the end of this creation, when it devolves into an ever consuming fire apart from the Great White Throne.

We can delineate the end of the age vs the end of time by what’s happening to satan. At the end of the age, when Christ returns, satan is bound and locked into the abyss from whence he’ll be eventually freed. At the end of time, satan is cast into the lake of fire and forgotten for eternity.

But – and this is the best part – we will see this world in it’s garden state as God intended, and then witness the first day of a new creation. How awesome is that, to see the first ‘sunrise’ of a whole new universe. And knowing that this time it’ll evolve His way. Wow. I can’t wait.

We heard reference made to a wedding feast, which means somewhere a bride must be involved. Let’s take a look at her next. Who is she ?

 

[SarahM777]

ya i know diggs.

maybe the kids should have to wait until they can say i love Jesus
i wouldn't opposed to that.
don't tell my pastor i said so.

PSST Zone,

Don't tell my pastor,I was rebaptized in 1979.