A dangerous theology?

[zone]

Oh no, no offense, if nothing else I owe you And I do benefit from the depth of your intellectual experience. It's quite impressive.

Now as to your spiritual experience, well I'm not so sure

ah...because i don't gurgle in unrecognizable noises and says it's the languages spoken of at pentecost?

because i give thanks for answered prayer when someone's healed but don't pretend Stuart the healer performed a miracle?

because i never say myself, nor listen to anyone who says "Thus saith The Lord"; "God told me, zone...i want you to go over that red car, and tell the man in it he will receive a letter in the mail..."?

if you're suggesting i'm not saved, sealed by the Spirit, being delivered (gr - AGO) by the Spirit....you're entitled to your position. i'm used to it.

see it all the time from the if you're not slurring and staggering drunk the spirit you don't know what you're missing kinda thing crew. ya i know.

got the t-shirt. got delivered. know what it is. never want anything to do with it again. dishonoring God with counterfeit nonsense.

i notice this sad propensity among pentecostals and charismatics to assume anyone who doesn't partake of the Azusa Street phenomenon isn't spiritual; or isn't saved.

odd how that goes hand-in-hand with the stupendous belief that the King was confounded, the Kingdom is postponed and Israel is the focus of everything (idolatry).

i dunno - i don't recognize that gospel. it's some religion or other.
fake eschatology is the driver.

 

[Bookends]

No, on the contrary, there will be no sin or death in the millenium. satan is bound and abyssed, and mans direct connection to God is restored, so there will be no inducement to sin. Or die. People will be de-facto Christians by virtue of there being no other option. Again, the purpose of the millenium is to restore the physical rule over this world that Adam lost when he fell. Think back to Adam's life before the fall and there was no sin, there was no death. Adam lived in the Garden, and under the Messiahs restoration the world will become garden again, as it was with pre-fall Adam.

Ok, sounds like paradise restored the eternal state, but you limit this to a literal 1000 years. What is the sense of God unleashing Satan from the pit and gathering his army? How can Satan gather an army if their is no sin? So will Christ destroy the restoration of the world after the 1000 yr reign and recreate it again in your view?

 

[kardiaoangelous]

thats ok the verse you alluded to was Jesus telling the Pharisees they were going to die in their sins.
Ill ponder on it im sure its funny.

My picture was to and about those who argue to the point of emotional near overload
Yet havnt done their homework and wont just let up and read and not partake.

Looked like a jab. Sorry.

No, I did not have that in mind at all.

You say you see, do you?

I said you say you see (as in, You see but you are sure I do not.)

In other words, you don't see what I see so I guess that is to be expected.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

oh stop it.
there's no literal throne of David.
but by all means try to prove there is.

The throne pictures God's seat of authority. It need not be literal to be a position held right here on earth. Even as the earth is God's footstool and heaven his throne. So also Israel's kings were considered to occupy a heavenly position over the people of God.

where is it now? is Queen Liz sitting on it?
do you believe in British Israelism?

That is absurd.

is the Lord of Glory going to sit on a throne made by men?

It was God's glory that set on the throne over Israel and when any human king violated that glory he paid dearly, some even with the loss of their life.

look how people argue with what the text actually says!

True, but also many only think they understand the context they claim is being argued with.

don't keep me in suspense, kardiaoangelous....just give your best now.
i don't do mysterious mystic well.

I give it under the direction of God's spirit, not by demand of myself or of any man. He is the one who tells me when the time is right to present what he wants me to present. I am a mere avenue he uses to speak when he wishes to speak what he wishes to speak. I am completely in his hands to be used of his will.

But keep asking the right questions and we just might get there.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

That last thing I told you zone is that I don't know it until he tells me.

I know it is probably hard to imagine unless you are the one experiencing it but I learn these things as I go just as everyone else hears or reads them in the post I present.

I litterally do not have to worry about the answer because he literally speaks to me and tells me what to answer.

That used to freak me out, too. But as long as I kept submitting fully to him to be open to hearing him (by having absolutely no opinion of my own) he proved to me that it is he whom speaks and my job is but to listen and share or convey.

 

[MrsAsghar]

Revelation 20:3-6 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

and just for fun....if a pit is bottomless, where does it end?
who or what can be contained in a bottomless pit?

without a bottom, it's not really a pit, it's a tunnel leading into eternity.
there is no end to the pit.

does it tell us that satan is clinging to the sides of the pit so he doesn't fall out into eternity?
does it say he has wings and is hovering near the lid?

what can be determined about where he is based upon the description of it?

In the back of your Bible there is a dictionary that is helpful for things you may question the meaning of. In mine it says for bottomless pit...unfathomable. In a regular dictionary it says...hell, also...something that drains all ones energy or resources. Bottomless pit is also referred to as the abyss.

Hope this has helped.

 

[MrsAsghar]

Revelation 20:3-6 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

please use all the verses at your disposal to define what the single phrase deceive the nations means.

.....

also, could anyone PLEASE provide all other examples of the phrase a thousand from scripture?

This is what my Study Bible says about Revelation 20

"The 1,000 years are often referred to as the Millennium (Latin for 1,000). Just how and when this 1,000 years takes place is understood differently among Christian scholars. The three major positions on this issue are called postmillennialism, premillennialism, and amillennialism.

(1) Postmillennialism looks for a literal 1,000-year period of peace on earth ushered in by the church. At the end of the 1,000 years, Satan will be unleashed once more, but then Christ will return to defeat him and reign forever. Christ's second coming will not occur until after the 1,000-year period.

(2) Premillennailism also views the 1,000 years as a literal time period, but holds that Christ's second coming initiates his 1,000-year reign and that this reign occurs before the final removal of Satan.

(3) Amillennialism understands the 1,000-year period to be symbolic of the time between Christ's ascension and his return. This Millennium is the reign of Christ in the hearts of believers and in his church; thus it is another way of referring to the church age. This period will end with the second coming of Christ.

These different views about the Millennium need not cause division and controversy in the church, because each view acknowledges what is most crucial to Christianity -- Christ will return, defeat Satan, and reign forever! Whatever and whenever the Millennium is, Jesus Christ will unite all believers; therefore, we should not let this issue divide us."

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Study Bible says about this... "Satan's power is not eternal -- he will meet his doom. He began his evil work in mankind at the beginning (Genesis 3:1-6) and continues it today, but he will be destroyed when he is thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone. The devil will be released from the bottomless pit ("his prison," 20:7), but he will never be released from the lake of fire. He will never be a threat to anyone again."

 

[MrsAsghar]

For farther Study...please read

Understanding The End Times: Armageddon by Dr. Charles Stanley

Understanding the End Times: Armageddon

 

[zone]

That last thing I told you zone is that I don't know it until he tells me.

I know it is probably hard to imagine unless you are the one experiencing it but I learn these things as I go just as everyone else hears or reads them in the post I present.

I litterally do not have to worry about the answer because he literally speaks to me and tells me what to answer.

That used to freak me out, too. But as long as I kept submitting fully to him to be open to hearing him (by having absolutely no opinion of my own) he proved to me that it is he whom speaks and my job is but to listen and share or convey.

Direct revelation...downloads on the spot....kinda like automatic writing.
Sorry. Dont believe ya.

 

[RickyZ]

ah...because i don't gurgle in unrecognizable noises and says it's the languages spoken of at pentecost?

because i give thanks for answered prayer when someone's healed but don't pretend Stuart the healer performed a miracle?

because i never say myself, nor listen to anyone who says "Thus saith The Lord"; "God told me, zone...i want you to go over that red car, and tell the man in it he will receive a letter in the mail..."?

if you're suggesting i'm not saved, sealed by the Spirit, being delivered (gr - AGO) by the Spirit....you're entitled to your position. i'm used to it.

see it all the time from the if you're not slurring and staggering drunk the spirit you don't know what you're missing kinda thing crew. ya i know.

got the t-shirt. got delivered. know what it is. never want anything to do with it again. dishonoring God with counterfeit nonsense.

i notice this sad propensity among pentecostals and charismatics to assume anyone who doesn't partake of the Azusa Street phenomenon isn't spiritual; or isn't saved.

odd how that goes hand-in-hand with the stupendous belief that the King was confounded, the Kingdom is postponed and Israel is the focus of everything (idolatry).

i dunno - i don't recognize that gospel. it's some religion or other.
fake eschatology is the driver.

Ok, sounds like paradise restored the eternal state, but you limit this to a literal 1000 years. What is the sense of God unleashing Satan from the pit and gathering his army? How can Satan gather an army if their is no sin? So will Christ destroy the restoration of the world after the 1000 yr reign and recreate it again in your view?

It is a literal 1000 years of restored paradise on this world. Under the sole rule of Christ, in whole and unhindered and unshared except with His saints. Just like God wanted with Adam. But people are de-facto Christians by virtue of having no other choice. This has the effect of eliminating free will, and as we know free will is big with God (and with sin). So satan is loosed at the end to once again give people the free will option to love or turn from God. And yes at this point blood may run in the streets as it does now, and the restoration will suffer; after all satan will be running loose again and look at what he's done here and now. But it is also at this point that God says enough, speaks this creation out of existence, eliminates satan for eternity (as apposed to only 1000 years), and presents us with the new creation to spend eternity exploring.

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I saw a bumper sticker once that said, "Am I libreal or just too well educated". Makes me think of you Zone, you have this incredibly intellectual mind but it so absolutely overpowers and stonewalls everything else with you. I get what you say about the Pentacostals and the holy rollers and the pandemonium and you are absolutely right, those people need to be slain in more ways than just spiritual. But to use that to say there is no proper place for the gifts at all is equally wrong. Especially when good solid saints are using them to the glory of God every day. Don't be the crazy man on the corner, escape your mind for a moment and look at what the real world is doing around you.

 

[Bookends]

I don't know whats so dangerous about my eschatology for:

1. We say to the world "come to Christ now", for you don't know when He's coming back.
2. We say to the world "come to Christ now", for you won't get a second chance.
3. We say to Christians, "now is the time to evangelize. Not sit back and watch, reading your newspaper, connecting imaginary dots contrived of over active imaginations, and predicting the secret rapture."

What's so dangerous about that?

 

[Abiding]

may i call bs on alot of this? alot of talk but very little scripture.
Am i wrong for having doubt when something is well received and believed
when theres no scripture?

 

[Abiding]

Im really scared these days when someone says the Holyspirit taught them
since all branches of eschatology say that.

 

[Abiding]

the holy spirit taught me is a statement that makes me shudder

 

[loveme1]

Im really scared these days when someone says the Holyspirit taught them
since all branches of eschatology say that.

Who taught you?

 

[Abiding]

Plus those that provide scripture are called intellectuals and unspiritual
dont argue with that you know its true

 

[Abiding]

Who taught you?

Scripture and alot of work

 

[Abiding]

You cant divide the scripture and The Holyspirit
And the Holyspirit said study.

But the question should be "How do you know the Holyspirit taught you?
Since everyone says that and disagree...right?

 

[loveme1]

You cant divide the scripture and The Holyspirit
And the Holyspirit said study.

But the question should be "How do you know the Holyspirit taught you?
Since everyone says that and disagree...right?

My question was to you only, for you left me wondering with some of your statements above.

One certainly could ask the question you propose.

 

[unclefester]

That last thing I told you zone is that I don't know it until he tells me.

I know it is probably hard to imagine unless you are the one experiencing it but I learn these things as I go just as everyone else hears or reads them in the post I present.

I litterally do not have to worry about the answer because he literally speaks to me and tells me what to answer.

That used to freak me out, too. But as long as I kept submitting fully to him to be open to hearing him (by having absolutely no opinion of my own) he proved to me that it is he whom speaks and my job is but to listen and share or convey.

I give it under the direction of God's spirit, not by demand of myself or of any man. He is the one who tells me when the time is right to present what he wants me to present. I am a mere avenue he uses to speak when he wishes to speak what he wishes to speak. I am completely in his hands to be used of his will.

Gotcha. All here can take your computer typed words as direct revelation/instruction from our Father God Himself (as long as you are submitting fully) ? One question for you though. How are we to know that "you are always submitting fully" to Him ? One more serious question. Where do you people come from ?? Good grief.