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well this may work differently in hebrew...
but under the rules of english at least the pronoun 'he' in verse twenty-seven would be referring to the subject of the previous sentence...the subject of that sentence is 'messiah'...so that means jesus would be the one doing the things in verse twenty-seven...
to me that would be the simplest explanation...but no matter how much i try i cannot get that interpretation to line up with the chronology of the seventy weeks...the math just doesn't seem to work out...
i also don't think jesus is the one who sets up an abomination of desolation in the temple...
but under the rules of english at least the pronoun 'he' in verse twenty-seven would be referring to the subject of the previous sentence...the subject of that sentence is 'messiah'...so that means jesus would be the one doing the things in verse twenty-seven...
to me that would be the simplest explanation...but no matter how much i try i cannot get that interpretation to line up with the chronology of the seventy weeks...the math just doesn't seem to work out...
i also don't think jesus is the one who sets up an abomination of desolation in the temple...
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That's on the assumption that the correct translation states an abomination of desolation will be set up in the temple.
The NKJV says there will be one who makes it desolate.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
And what did Jesus say?
Matt 22:38
See! Your house is left to you desolate;
Luke 13:35
See! Your house is left to you desolate
Jesus himself declared it desolate.
The NKJV says there will be one who makes it desolate.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”
And what did Jesus say?
Matt 22:38
See! Your house is left to you desolate;
Luke 13:35
See! Your house is left to you desolate
Jesus himself declared it desolate.
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I'm treading carefully with this interpretation.
If Jesus is the one who declared it desolate.
Matt 22:38
See! Your house is left to you desolate;
Luke 13:35
See! Your house is left to you desolate
That would make Jesus the desolator.
Then it seems to indicate some sort of decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.
NKJV
ESV
Is the decreed destruction actually the crucifixion?
Isaiah 53 seems to indicate a decree of sorts that falls on Messiah.
Isaiah 53:4 yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
Isaiah 53:5
he was crushed for our iniquities;
Isaiah 53:6
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 53:8
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people?
Isaiah 53:10
Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him;
If Jesus is the one who declared it desolate.
Matt 22:38
See! Your house is left to you desolate;
Luke 13:35
See! Your house is left to you desolate
That would make Jesus the desolator.
Then it seems to indicate some sort of decreed destruction is poured out on the desolator.
NKJV
ESV
Is the decreed destruction actually the crucifixion?
Isaiah 53 seems to indicate a decree of sorts that falls on Messiah.
Isaiah 53:4 yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
Isaiah 53:5
he was crushed for our iniquities;
Isaiah 53:6
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
Isaiah 53:8
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people?
Isaiah 53:10
Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him;
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease= Jesus Christ is the only one that was able to do this by going to the cross,after that cross any sacrifice at the temple was no longer acceptable to God read hebrews
Also God used the romans as he did the babylon to do his work with titus and the roman army
Just as moses warn them long ago what will occur if they did not accept Jesus Christ
Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Alot of folks seem to forget God uses everything and everyone to do his will.
I trully do not belive there is a need for a third temple in Jerusalem or a anti christ to sit in a structure built by man and call it the temple of God, due to the fact that God very own words have given only 3 individuals the commandment and authority to build his Holy temple
1 solomon 1Ch 28:6 KJV also in 1Ch 28:10-12
2 Zerubbabel Hag 2:23 also in Zec 4:6 KJV & Zec 4:9-10 KJV & Hag 2:3 KJV
3 Jesus Christ Zechariah 6:12 & Zechariah 6:13 The BRANCH
as for any other temple, it is not called the temple of God becasue God does not dwell in temples made of hands...
Many folks will say did you read the Maccabees , I do not listen to individuals that do not belive in Jesus Christ my Lord and savior, Jesus clearly told us those that do notconfess Jesus came in the flesh are anti christ 2 John 1:7
Now i ask why would a Christian belive a Anti Christ ???
IMPORTANT: the Temple was destroyed by Roman troops under Titus during the Siege of Jerusalem in 70 CE.
IMPORTANT: The most complete ancient account of this event is The Jewish War by Flavius Josephus.
IMPORTANT: Later Roman governors used the remains to build palaces and a Temple of Jupiter, and the Byzantines a Church.
Now here is the meat
CONCLUSION AS IT IS WRITTEN IN GOD WORD:
Psalm 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
Herod was not appointed to build the temple of the lord
it became desolated
the pharasees predicted the outcome before it occured.
John 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation
When titus destoyed it...
Later Roman governors used the remains to build palaces and a Temple of Jupiter, and the Byzantines a Church.
Jesus Christ took the daily sacrefice at the cross, no animal was no longer worthy of sacrifice for sin
no matter how many times the jews that perform a sacrefice there at the new temple built by the romans for zues, God will not partake in any of those offerings becasue the final offering was Jesus Christ out Lord and savior
This temple they made out of the remains is a abomination because it is not authorized by God just as the dome of the Rock.
this temple they build was the third temple also build by man in vain...
its was not even about the zues altar after all, becasue the abomination was that this temple was dedicated for zues
This new temple they raise up from remains of the second temple was not even the temple of God holy or annointed becasue God does not dwell in temples made of hand anymore he Left the temple made with the hands of man and will never return...
He dwells in us now brethren and in heaven
Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
only the branch is authorized to build the temple of the Lord
the BRANCH is Jesus Christ
Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
Zechariah 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Jeremiah 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land
Jeremaih 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jeremaih 33:16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness
all this scripture is about Jesus Christ our lord and savior
Matthew 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Holy city got destoyed by the romans army ,the pharashees predicted this or God made them say such things hmm...
John 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
the abomination was the romans and titus destroying the 2 temple, and then the temple the romans resurected with the remains of the old one that king herod was not himself authorized to fix or make glamorus it stand just as the dome of the rock a abomination and Desolation
Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
the army of rome was the Abomination desolation
So this is the true mystery the temple the romans and titus destroyed where the abomination due to them being on that sacred site ,they where romans they where not aloud there.Titus was the son of the king of rome he is a prince is he not perhaps Acts 17:7 can help? Remember the greeks that where at the temple in Acts 21:28 did they not defiled this holy place?Now imagine thousand of roman soilders with there prince destroying the holy place hmm. Afterwards the romans errected from the remains of the old one was also a abomination of desolation just as the one we have standing today...
becasue God does not dwell in temples made with hands anymore
1 corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
ephesians 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
2 corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
now that you know where is the temple of God
how is satan going to sit in the temple of God easy example
1 timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1 Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
you are witness of these very words ...
HMM SOUNDS FAMILIAR
2 timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
MOSES SPOKE ABOUT JESUS:
Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
This scripture is critical Acts 3:23 it still stands till this day it is a warning for all those Jews from moses
Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him
MOSES JUDGE THOSE JEW THAT DO NOT BELIVE IN JESUS:
Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
The Jews that did not belive in Messiah then died and those that do not belive him now will be judge the same way no favors so special request not another temple built by man hands, it is written in his word that is truth...
Also in acts 17:24-31
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Only by those that belive in Jesus Christ no if and or but !!!
only other place that is holy besides the belivers is heaven and new jerusalem ,that comes down from heaven and the lamb and God are the temple
nothing has been added to this scripture
romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
equal we are i hope this help God bless in Jesus Christ mighty name amen
he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease= Jesus Christ is the only one that was able to do this by going to the cross,after that cross any sacrifice at the temple was no longer acceptable to God read hebrews
Also God used the romans as he did the babylon to do his work with titus and the roman army
Just as moses warn them long ago what will occur if they did not accept Jesus Christ
Hebrews 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Alot of folks seem to forget God uses everything and everyone to do his will.
I trully do not belive there is a need for a third temple in Jerusalem or a anti christ to sit in a structure built by man and call it the temple of God, due to the fact that God very own words have given only 3 individuals the commandment and authority to build his Holy temple
1 solomon 1Ch 28:6 KJV also in 1Ch 28:10-12
2 Zerubbabel Hag 2:23 also in Zec 4:6 KJV & Zec 4:9-10 KJV & Hag 2:3 KJV
3 Jesus Christ Zechariah 6:12 & Zechariah 6:13 The BRANCH
as for any other temple, it is not called the temple of God becasue God does not dwell in temples made of hands...
Many folks will say did you read the Maccabees , I do not listen to individuals that do not belive in Jesus Christ my Lord and savior, Jesus clearly told us those that do notconfess Jesus came in the flesh are anti christ 2 John 1:7
Now i ask why would a Christian belive a Anti Christ ???
IMPORTANT: the Temple was destroyed by Roman troops under Titus during the Siege of Jerusalem in 70 CE.
IMPORTANT: The most complete ancient account of this event is The Jewish War by Flavius Josephus.
IMPORTANT: Later Roman governors used the remains to build palaces and a Temple of Jupiter, and the Byzantines a Church.
Now here is the meat
CONCLUSION AS IT IS WRITTEN IN GOD WORD:
Psalm 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.
Herod was not appointed to build the temple of the lord
it became desolated
the pharasees predicted the outcome before it occured.
John 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation
When titus destoyed it...
Later Roman governors used the remains to build palaces and a Temple of Jupiter, and the Byzantines a Church.
Jesus Christ took the daily sacrefice at the cross, no animal was no longer worthy of sacrifice for sin
no matter how many times the jews that perform a sacrefice there at the new temple built by the romans for zues, God will not partake in any of those offerings becasue the final offering was Jesus Christ out Lord and savior
This temple they made out of the remains is a abomination because it is not authorized by God just as the dome of the Rock.
this temple they build was the third temple also build by man in vain...
its was not even about the zues altar after all, becasue the abomination was that this temple was dedicated for zues
This new temple they raise up from remains of the second temple was not even the temple of God holy or annointed becasue God does not dwell in temples made of hand anymore he Left the temple made with the hands of man and will never return...
He dwells in us now brethren
and in heaven Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,
Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands
only the branch is authorized to build the temple of the Lord
the BRANCH is Jesus Christ
Zechariah 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
Zechariah 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Jeremiah 33:15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land
Jeremaih 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jeremaih 33:16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness
all this scripture is about Jesus Christ our lord and savior
Matthew 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Holy city got destoyed by the romans army ,the pharashees predicted this or God made them say such things hmm...
John 11:48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
the abomination was the romans and titus destroying the 2 temple, and then the temple the romans resurected with the remains of the old one that king herod was not himself authorized to fix or make glamorus it stand just as the dome of the rock a abomination and Desolation
Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
the army of rome was the Abomination desolation
So this is the true mystery the temple the romans and titus destroyed where the abomination due to them being on that sacred site ,they where romans they where not aloud there.Titus was the son of the king of rome he is a prince is he not perhaps Acts 17:7 can help? Remember the greeks that where at the temple in Acts 21:28 did they not defiled this holy place?Now imagine thousand of roman soilders with there prince destroying the holy place hmm. Afterwards the romans errected from the remains of the old one was also a abomination of desolation just as the one we have standing today...
becasue God does not dwell in temples made with hands anymore
1 corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
ephesians 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
ephesians 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
2 corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
now that you know where is the temple of God
how is satan going to sit in the temple of God easy example
1 timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1 Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
you are witness of these very words ...
HMM SOUNDS FAMILIAR
2 timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
MOSES SPOKE ABOUT JESUS:
Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
This scripture is critical Acts 3:23 it still stands till this day it is a warning for all those Jews from moses
Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him
MOSES JUDGE THOSE JEW THAT DO NOT BELIVE IN JESUS:
Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
The Jews that did not belive in Messiah then died and those that do not belive him now will be judge the same way no favors so special request not another temple built by man hands, it is written in his word that is truth...
Also in acts 17:24-31
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent
Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Only by those that belive in Jesus Christ no if and or but !!!
only other place that is holy besides the belivers is heaven and new jerusalem ,that comes down from heaven and the lamb and God are the temple
nothing has been added to this scripture
romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
romans 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
equal we are
i hope this help God bless in Jesus Christ mighty name amen
G
[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. [SUP]25[/SUP] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. [SUP]26[/SUP] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. [SUP]27[/SUP] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ~ Daniel 9:24-27
The last part of verse 26 - from the colon until the end of the verse - is what I like to call an 'aside' (because, in terms of thought process, the focus of what is being said shifts temporarily away from the "main/current focus" onto something else). Because the focus shifts away from the "main/current focus" - the new, temporary, focus is not necessarily constrained by the "main/current focus" at the point that the focus shifted. What this means for this passage is that, there is no necessity for the "destruction" that it is talking about to have anything [directly] to do with the 70 weeks (the "main/current focus" at the point of the 'aside') - especially where timing is concerned. The phrase "that shall come" simply points to "some time later" - and does not mandate that the target thought/focus "line up" with the 70 weeks in any particular way. In terms of thought process, it is a complete jump away from the 70 weeks that is being "discussed" before the point of the 'aside'.
At the beginning of verse 27, the focus returns to what it was before the 'aside'.
The word 'he' [x3] in verse 27 refers back to the word 'Messiah' in verse 26.
So - with the exception of the partial verse 'aside' discussed above - everything in these verses is talking about Christ.
The alignment of the 70 weeks is flawless -- if you know what you are aligning it with...
The "countdown" for the 69 weeks indicated in verse 25 starts with the point in time that the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem.
The "countdown" for the 62 weeks indicated in verse 26 starts with the end of the rebuilding of Jerusalem.
How long was the rebuilding of Jerusalem?
[ Further comments will have to wait... ]
( The crucifixion occurred in the middle of the 70th week. )
The last part of verse 26 - from the colon until the end of the verse - is what I like to call an 'aside' (because, in terms of thought process, the focus of what is being said shifts temporarily away from the "main/current focus" onto something else). Because the focus shifts away from the "main/current focus" - the new, temporary, focus is not necessarily constrained by the "main/current focus" at the point that the focus shifted. What this means for this passage is that, there is no necessity for the "destruction" that it is talking about to have anything [directly] to do with the 70 weeks (the "main/current focus" at the point of the 'aside') - especially where timing is concerned. The phrase "that shall come" simply points to "some time later" - and does not mandate that the target thought/focus "line up" with the 70 weeks in any particular way. In terms of thought process, it is a complete jump away from the 70 weeks that is being "discussed" before the point of the 'aside'.
At the beginning of verse 27, the focus returns to what it was before the 'aside'.
The word 'he' [x3] in verse 27 refers back to the word 'Messiah' in verse 26.
So - with the exception of the partial verse 'aside' discussed above - everything in these verses is talking about Christ.
The alignment of the 70 weeks is flawless -- if you know what you are aligning it with...
The "countdown" for the 69 weeks indicated in verse 25 starts with the point in time that the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem.
The "countdown" for the 62 weeks indicated in verse 26 starts with the end of the rebuilding of Jerusalem.
How long was the rebuilding of Jerusalem?
[ Further comments will have to wait... ]
( The crucifixion occurred in the middle of the 70th week. )
G
Or, possibly...
How long was it from the point in time that the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until the wall was finished?
( It has been a while since I studied this in detail; however, I distinctly remember the outcome of the study -- the alignment of the 70 weeks was decidedly flawless...)
How long was it from the point in time that the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until the wall was finished?
( It has been a while since I studied this in detail; however, I distinctly remember the outcome of the study -- the alignment of the 70 weeks was decidedly flawless...)
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It may well begin but it will not be finished before an end is brought to it of God.
They do not understand the word of God through Jeremiah.
If it is allowed of God to begin it will be only so that the clash of the flesh be peaked when they struggle over the Dome of the Rock which occupies a goodly portion of that original temple site.
It is yet a manifestation of being stuck in the flesh. And from that flesh they can only reap war.
They do not understand the word of God through Jeremiah.
If it is allowed of God to begin it will be only so that the clash of the flesh be peaked when they struggle over the Dome of the Rock which occupies a goodly portion of that original temple site.
It is yet a manifestation of being stuck in the flesh. And from that flesh they can only reap war.
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Hello Katy (Major).
Katy.........you are correct in your post my dear.
I am new here but I must say that I am a little surprised at some the responces I see here.
The understnading of the "HE" which begins in verse 27 is crucial to the understnading of this prophecy in its fullfilment.
The identification of "the ruler to come" of verse 26 with the "HE" of verse 27 show us that there is a future world leader coming. I am not this smart, I had to look this up, but in the normal laws of reference, a pronoun (He) refers back to the last preceding person mentioned. In this case it would then be......"the ruler who will come" of verse 26.......NOT the "Anointed One" of the earlier position of that verse.
As in other problems in escatology, so much of the difficulty comes when we fail to take note of the particulars of said prophecy. Once it is understood that prophecy needs to be fulfilled literaly and completely, most of the problems disappear.
Katy.........you are correct in your post my dear.
I am new here but I must say that I am a little surprised at some the responces I see here.
The understnading of the "HE" which begins in verse 27 is crucial to the understnading of this prophecy in its fullfilment.
The identification of "the ruler to come" of verse 26 with the "HE" of verse 27 show us that there is a future world leader coming. I am not this smart, I had to look this up, but in the normal laws of reference, a pronoun (He) refers back to the last preceding person mentioned. In this case it would then be......"the ruler who will come" of verse 26.......NOT the "Anointed One" of the earlier position of that verse.
As in other problems in escatology, so much of the difficulty comes when we fail to take note of the particulars of said prophecy. Once it is understood that prophecy needs to be fulfilled literaly and completely, most of the problems disappear.
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The 70 weeks of years began with a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.
The king then of Babylon was Artaxerxes Longimanus and he made that decree in Neh. 2:1-10.
According to the British Royal Observatory, & Greenwich Conn. Time, that would have been made on March 14, 445 BC.
This decree from the Bible says a certain number of days will be lived UNTIL messiah be cut off.
A. This prophecy is a period of 7 weeks (49 years) and then 62 weeks (62 x 7 = 434 years) which is a total of 69 weeks of
years. 69 x 7 = 483 years (360 days a year) This is a time of 483 years is 173,880 days.
B. So, the Bible tells us that after 483 years which is 173,880 days, the Messiah will be cut off.
This prophecy was fulfilled on the 10th of Nisan which was April 6, 33 AD.
A. Luke 19:28-44. Jesus entered Jerusalem and presented Himself as Messiah.
B. Verse 37 says that His disciples recognized Him as Messiah, but the Pharisees did not.
C. Verses 41-44 says that Jeus wept over the city that Israel ignored its Messiah.
D. This was Israel's day of decision but they choose to "CUT OFF THEIR MESSIAH" in the form of Crucifixion.
Now I said all of that to say this..........According to historical calculations by the above orgainzations, Daniel's prophecy was fulfilled TO THE EXACT DAY!
From March 14, 445 BC to April 5, 33 AD is exactly 173,880 days.
The 1st 69 weeks of Daniel concerned God's witnesing to the world through His chosen people, Israel.
After their 69 weeks, God put the church into place to witness to the world.
During the 70th week (7 years) God will once again turn to and deal directly with Israel.
This 70th week, the last set of 7 years is then what the Bible calls the "Tribulation Period".
The king then of Babylon was Artaxerxes Longimanus and he made that decree in Neh. 2:1-10.
According to the British Royal Observatory, & Greenwich Conn. Time, that would have been made on March 14, 445 BC.
This decree from the Bible says a certain number of days will be lived UNTIL messiah be cut off.
A. This prophecy is a period of 7 weeks (49 years) and then 62 weeks (62 x 7 = 434 years) which is a total of 69 weeks of
years. 69 x 7 = 483 years (360 days a year) This is a time of 483 years is 173,880 days.
B. So, the Bible tells us that after 483 years which is 173,880 days, the Messiah will be cut off.
This prophecy was fulfilled on the 10th of Nisan which was April 6, 33 AD.
A. Luke 19:28-44. Jesus entered Jerusalem and presented Himself as Messiah.
B. Verse 37 says that His disciples recognized Him as Messiah, but the Pharisees did not.
C. Verses 41-44 says that Jeus wept over the city that Israel ignored its Messiah.
D. This was Israel's day of decision but they choose to "CUT OFF THEIR MESSIAH" in the form of Crucifixion.
Now I said all of that to say this..........According to historical calculations by the above orgainzations, Daniel's prophecy was fulfilled TO THE EXACT DAY!
From March 14, 445 BC to April 5, 33 AD is exactly 173,880 days.
The 1st 69 weeks of Daniel concerned God's witnesing to the world through His chosen people, Israel.
After their 69 weeks, God put the church into place to witness to the world.
During the 70th week (7 years) God will once again turn to and deal directly with Israel.
This 70th week, the last set of 7 years is then what the Bible calls the "Tribulation Period".
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Or, possibly...
The "countdown" for the 62 weeks indicated in verse 26 starts with the point in time the wall is finished.
How long was it from the point in time that the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until the wall was finished?
I will get this right eventually... I was tired. I still am. And, I have a headache...
As soon as I have time, I will see about searching out the answer that I determined when I did the study long ago.
If anyone wants to "beat me to it" -- please, feel free...
The "countdown" for the 62 weeks indicated in verse 26 starts with the point in time the wall is finished.
How long was it from the point in time that the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until the wall was finished?
I will get this right eventually... I was tired. I still am. And, I have a headache...
As soon as I have time, I will see about searching out the answer that I determined when I did the study long ago.
If anyone wants to "beat me to it" -- please, feel free...
hi Rodger.
let's take your interpretation as fact.
he in v 27 means the ruler who is to come.
could you prove in any way possible that this shows "us that there is a future world leader coming"
how did you reach that conclusion?
in other words, having rejected Titus (or any other past leader) as that prince who was to come (future to Daniel), on what ground do you make the HE in v. 27 future to US today?
thank you.
let's take your interpretation as fact.
he in v 27 means the ruler who is to come.
could you prove in any way possible that this shows "us that there is a future world leader coming"
how did you reach that conclusion?
in other words, having rejected Titus (or any other past leader) as that prince who was to come (future to Daniel), on what ground do you make the HE in v. 27 future to US today?
thank you.
Or, possibly...
The "countdown" for the 62 weeks indicated in verse 26 starts with the point in time the wall is finished.
How long was it from the point in time that the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until the wall was finished?
I will get this right eventually... I was tired. I still am. And, I have a headache...
As soon as I have time, I will see about searching out the answer that I determined when I did the study long ago.
If anyone wants to "beat me to it" -- please, feel free...
The "countdown" for the 62 weeks indicated in verse 26 starts with the point in time the wall is finished.
How long was it from the point in time that the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until the wall was finished?
I will get this right eventually... I was tired. I still am. And, I have a headache...
As soon as I have time, I will see about searching out the answer that I determined when I did the study long ago.
If anyone wants to "beat me to it" -- please, feel free...
pretty certain the thing will still need addressing when you feel better.
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ok so i thought i would look up the 'abomination of desolation' passages in the king james version...
since the king james version predates the whole dispensationalist controversy...it would be free from that bias...and it would probably give the most 'natural' translation of the hebrew text...
here are the three relevant verses from daniel...
daniel 9:27..."And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
daniel 11:31..."And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate."
daniel 12:11..."And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."
comparing the three passages...it seems that daniel 9:27 is not talking about the same thing as daniel 11:31 and daniel 12:11...
since the king james version predates the whole dispensationalist controversy...it would be free from that bias...and it would probably give the most 'natural' translation of the hebrew text...
here are the three relevant verses from daniel...
daniel 9:27..."And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
daniel 11:31..."And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate."
daniel 12:11..."And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days."
comparing the three passages...it seems that daniel 9:27 is not talking about the same thing as daniel 11:31 and daniel 12:11...
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Katy, honey - there is no 'prince' in verse 27. This is the mistake people make - thinking that 'he' refers back to the word 'prince' in verse 26. And, even in verse 26 - 'prince' is not the subject of the clausal statement after the colon -- 'people' is the subject; 'prince' is part of a prepositional phrase which helps to define 'people'. So then, because 'prince' is not the subject of the clause - and is only "prepositional" - it IS NOT a valid target for the word 'he' in verse 27.
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Have you figured out what the abomination of desolation is yet pertaining to Matt 24:15 and Mark 13:14? Find out what it is and you have just located the middle of your 70th week.
P.S. The abomination of desolation IS NOT a person. It is a thing. Read Mark carefully. Mark calls the abomination of desolation an "IT"!
P.S. The abomination of desolation IS NOT a person. It is a thing. Read Mark carefully. Mark calls the abomination of desolation an "IT"!