Tolerance?

[psychomom]

SeekingJC, tolerance is just a construct of the cultural Marxists who want to destroy Christendom (i.e. western civ.).
You have noticed it's just about always used to promote sin.

And for sure, no one is as intolerant as a tolerance promoter who finds someone who disagrees with them.
Stay true to the faith, in the love of God.

Best advice I have.

-ellie

 

[Grey]

SeekingJC, tolerance is just a construct of the cultural Marxists who want to destroy Christendom (i.e. western civ.).
You have noticed it's just about always used to promote sin.

And for sure, no one is as intolerant as a tolerance promoter who finds someone who disagrees with them.
Stay true to the faith, in the love of God.

Best advice I have.

-ellie

Wow cultural marxists.

 

[Nautilus]

Wow cultural marxists.

there are always a couple...lol

 

[Dread_Zeppelin1]

"tolerant" to me is a dirty word, because it never goes both ways. When someone says "you're being intolerant" to me it is saying "i dislike that you dont agree with the general public on issues that should be politically correct." In other words, they are intolerant of your beliefs therefore attack you personally. I brush it off because people who truly know what you're about, as a christian, know that hate and christianity dont go hand-in-hand. Or...it shouldn't.

 

[Nautilus]

If people don't want to be tolerant thats fine, but when you live an intolerant lifestyle, i better not hear you turn around and say 'Oh no they are persecuting me for my beliefs...' Nope, wrong, they are just being as intolerant of you as you are of them.

 

[Batman007]

Exactly what nautilus said. If you're being called intolerant, chances are you're infringing on someone else's life because you don't find it suiting. You can disagree with something but still accept the fact that it exists. And the excuse "we're helping them", while it is very justified in the minds of some, when you use that to argue against basic rights for others then that isn't ok. To them, you are not helping. To them you are shoving your beliefs down their throats.

Tolerance is letting others be who they are as you would appreciate them letting you be who you are. Again, tolerance is allowing Mormons and Muslims and Jews and Buddhists to practice just as they tolerate you practicing Christianity. If tolerance didn't exist we'd have a government that controls religion and I don't think ANYONE wants that because then you open a whole other can of worms and quality of life gets exponentially worse for most.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Read this book and you'll understand the difference between godly tolerance and the "New Tolerance" the devil is deceiving the world today which appears to have worked to an extent with some of you.

The New Tolerance: How a Cultural Movement Threatens to Destroy You, Your ... - Josh D. McDowell, Bob Hostetler - Google Books

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

Tolerance = irony; about as much as the 'both hands system' belief, even. I agree with Dread that the word tolerance has become objectionable, particularly with modern vernacular.

 

[SeekingJC]

So batman007 you'd choose option A from my previous post and not help your drug addicted friend because "that's who they are.."
Also if we (the US) were an intolerant nation from the start we wouldn't have the issues we have now. Corporate greed and lobbyists would not have been tolerated. We wouldn't tolerate people that wanted to take the words "in god we trust" off of our currency and other national symbols. We also wouldn't tolerate the government taking freedoms away from us. Just like we wouldn't tolerate them controlling our religion. Just like the colonials Didnt tolerate taxation without representation. Just like Lincoln didnt tolerate slavery (granted only a small part of the civil war but still relevant). Just like Martin Luther King Jr would not tolerate segregation and inequality. Should I go on?

What would this place look like if everybody was always tolerant? First we'd still be British (not that there's anything wrong with the folks across the pond ). Slavery would still be rampant. WWII would be massively different we wouldn't want to infringe upon hitlers beliefs after all he thought he was doing the work of God! Where do you draw a line?

And nautilus it's not about a lifestyle it about standing up for what is right and good. If done in a loving manner with care and respect for the person you're showing the person that you care about them. Not just in the here and now but for eternity. Like I said before I love the intolerant people in my life they tend to take me to task when I need it.

 

[zone]

Exactly what nautilus said. If you're being called intolerant, chances are you're infringing on someone else's life because you don't find it suiting. You can disagree with something but still accept the fact that it exists. And the excuse "we're helping them", while it is very justified in the minds of some, when you use that to argue against basic rights for others then that isn't ok. To them, you are not helping. To them you are shoving your beliefs down their throats.

Tolerance is letting others be who they are as you would appreciate them letting you be who you are. Again, tolerance is allowing Mormons and Muslims and Jews and Buddhists to practice just as they tolerate you practicing Christianity. If tolerance didn't exist we'd have a government that controls religion and I don't think ANYONE wants that because then you open a whole other can of worms and quality of life gets exponentially worse for most.

i'm not going to tolerate some big hairy man in a dress using the restroom i'm in.
he's a man; i'm a woman.
if he wants to wear a dress, he can still use the men's room, since he just a man in a dress.

i tolerate his choice to wear a dress - i do not tolerate his using the ladies room, since he is a man.

fair?

 

[SeekingJC]

But zone you have to cause that's just who he is. :/

Fine Ill be tolerant of your tolerance if you tolerate my intolerance.

Im compiling scripture but so far it's seems biblically sound to be intolerant more to follow....

 

[Grey]

i'm not going to tolerate some big hairy man in a dress using the restroom i'm in.
he's a man; i'm a woman.
if he wants to wear a dress, he can still use the men's room, since he just a man in a dress.

i tolerate his choice to wear a dress - i do not tolerate his using the ladies room, since he is a man.

fair?

No one is asking you to tolerate that.

But your statement is fair.

 

[Batman007]

So batman007 you'd choose option A from my previous post and not help your drug addicted friend because "that's who they are.."
Also if we (the US) were an intolerant nation from the start we wouldn't have the issues we have now. Corporate greed and lobbyists would not have been tolerated. We wouldn't tolerate people that wanted to take the words "in god we trust" off of our currency and other national symbols. We also wouldn't tolerate the government taking freedoms away from us. Just like we wouldn't tolerate them controlling our religion. Just like the colonials Didnt tolerate taxation without representation. Just like Lincoln didnt tolerate slavery (granted only a small part of the civil war but still relevant). Just like Martin Luther King Jr would not tolerate segregation and inequality. Should I go on?

What would this place look like if everybody was always tolerant? First we'd still be British (not that there's anything wrong with the folks across the pond ). Slavery would still be rampant. WWII would be massively different we wouldn't want to infringe upon hitlers beliefs after all he thought he was doing the work of God! Where do you draw a line?

And nautilus it's not about a lifestyle it about standing up for what is right and good. If done in a loving manner with care and respect for the person you're showing the person that you care about them. Not just in the here and now but for eternity. Like I said before I love the intolerant people in my life they tend to take me to task when I need it.

The thing is drug addicts and people of other religions/homosexuals/etc are totally different (I chose these because they have already been brought up). They're just people choosing to live differently from yourself, just as you're choosing to live different from them.

Also, "We wouldn't tolerate people that wanted to take the words 'in god we trust' off our currency and other national symbols." Actually, if we weren't tolerating things then that wouldn't have been added in the first place. That was introduced in the 50's, it was not originally on our money or in the national anthem. With your logic that should never have happened in the first place (which, frankly, I agree with).

This is how I see tolerance: If that person is infringing on the life of another, then yes it should not be tolerated, I agree with that. That person should be stopped. Just like, as you said, with slavery and segregation. Those things should not be tolerated because they are forcing others to live how some prefer, not taking into account how those most affected feel.

So you draw the line on where personal opinion begins to burden others. So, in a nutshell, tolerate other religions because they aren't affecting you. Try to change things that do.

 

[Batman007]

i'm not going to tolerate some big hairy man in a dress using the restroom i'm in.
he's a man; i'm a woman.
if he wants to wear a dress, he can still use the men's room, since he just a man in a dress.

i tolerate his choice to wear a dress - i do not tolerate his using the ladies room, since he is a man.

fair?

Very fair.

 

[maxwel]

i'm not going to tolerate some big hairy man in a dress using the restroom i'm in.
he's a man; i'm a woman.
if he wants to wear a dress, he can still use the men's room, since he just a man in a dress.

i tolerate his choice to wear a dress - i do not tolerate his using the ladies room, since he is a man.

fair?

I'm not entirely comfortable with a big hairy man in a dress using my restroom either.
: )

 

[Batman007]

What the heck is with the dude in the dress example? That's a very fair line to have that you don't want crossed...

 

[Siberian_Khatru]

So what about tolerance or intolerance of moral indignation? What's the verdict on that? Seeing as how everyone perceives good and evil differently.

 

[Batman007]

So what about tolerance or intolerance of moral indignation? What's the verdict on that? Seeing as how everyone perceives good and evil differently.

Exactly. People see good and evil differently. So let them, let them be "immoral" in your eyes just as they probably see some of your actions as being immoral. If they start infringing their morality on others, then step in. But if they just have a different opinion, that's life. People have different opinions.

 

[SeekingJC]

Psalm 26:4-5 I do not sit with the deceitful,nor do I associate with hypocrites. I abhor the assembly of evildoersand refuse to sit with the wicked.

Leviticus 19:17 “‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt.

Nehemiah 13:25-27 I rebuked them and called curses down on them. I beat some of the men and pulled out their hair. I made them take an oath in God’s name and said: “You are not to give your daughters in marriage to their sons, nor are you to take their daughters in marriage for your sons or for yourselves. Was it not because of marriages like these that Solomon king of Israel sinned? Among the many nations there was no king like him. He was loved by his God, and God made him king over all Israel, but even he was led into sin by foreign women. Must we hear now that you too are doing all this terrible wickedness and are being unfaithful to our God by marrying foreign women?”

Job Chps 15 & 16

Proverbs 9:7-9 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults;whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse. Do not rebuke mockers or they will hate you;rebuke the wise and they will love you. Instruct the wise and they will be wiser still;teach the righteous and they will add to their learning.

Matthew 21:12-13 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”

Just some of what I can recall.

God Bless

 

[SeekingJC]

So what about tolerance or intolerance of moral indignation? What's the verdict on that? Seeing as how everyone perceives good and evil differently.

You have the right to be outraged or angered by what you think is morally wrong. I'm fine with that. As far as perceived good and evil as a Christian the only perception that matters is God's given to us through the bible. All else is of man. If you're not saved its hard to swallow a statement like that and, truthfully even that is fine. You're either going to come to God or your not. people can show you the way but ultimately you need to walk the path. As far as I go I will be intolerant of false and evil things I have no need of them and I will always respectfully point them out to people with an ear to listen.

Even still I am a wholly unworthy sinner and undeserving of grace no matter how hard I try. Praise Jesus for his grace!