Well it is not really called "the Tribulation." It is referred to in the Scriptures as the time of Jacob's trouble:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. - Jeremiah 30:7 (King James Bible)
It is also referred to as Daniel's Seventieth week:
[SUP]24[/SUP]Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. - Daniel 9:24-27 (King James Bible)
FULFILLED
if it isn't you are not saved.
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
< JESUS SUFFERING DYING AND RISING FROM THE GRAVE < Atonement accomplished and Accepted.
Seventy weeks = 70 YEARS.
DONE.
At the Last Day? Chapter and Verse, please? Where does it in the Scriptures?
We shall all be changed at the Rapture which takes place right before the time of Jacob's trouble. Now that's Biblical. So I know what I am talking about.
bah....
But I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "Last Day we shall be changed." I don't see "Last Day" being referred to the Rapture in the Scriptures.
ya i know...because you have the PERVERSION of a 'pretrib rapture' in there where there is NONE.
1 Corinthians 15
Mystery and Victory
50I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at
the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O death, where is your victory?
O death, where is your sting?”
56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain.
so, play games with extra trumpets...i don't care.
it's stupid.
it's childish.
it's NOT in scripture.
<snip nonsense irrationality>
You're already amillennial? Huh? Well yea I know you are Amillennial. A person who is an amillennialist is one who denies the physical literal 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ.
uh...ya.
Now if you believe that we are in the Millennium now, boy are you wrong. Last time I checked, the Scriptures describe the Millennial Reign as a time of peace, true peace.
post all those passages.
John 14:27
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.
can't help it if you don't have peace.
if you think the world world gets crushed into submission by an iron rod...is that true Peace as Jesus gives?
or is that something else?
your version of who goes into the so-called millennium is as clear as mud anyways.
sorry you don't understand the Book of Revelation.
there's lots of help for that.
but you appear to want a red dragon and a bottomless pit to make sense.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks:nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the Lord. - Isaiah 2:2-5 (King James Bible)
Well yeah it is a Millennial Reign. But we Bible believers also call it the Pre-Millennial Reign because we believe that Jesus Christ will physically rule and reign from Jerusalem for 1,000 years just as the Holy Scriptures teach. The Very term: Premillennialism means the belief that Jesus Christ will literally and physically be on the earth for His Millennial Reign at His Second Coming.
i keep posting on what
JESUS taught about Ages.
He taught TWO. do you care what He taught?
he NEVER taught a future temporary earth 1,000 interim unknown mystery rule. EVER.
This world (Messianic - Salvation) and the World to Come (eternity) - that's what HE TAUGHT.
maybe someday you'll look at what HE SAID...not all those videos you watch and those extra-biblical fables that are NOT in there:
The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith ; In the last days perilous times shall come : There shall come at the end of the days scoffers : They told you that there should be mockers in the last time. The Jews distributed all time between "this world" and "the coming world" , including under "the coming world" the time of grace under the Messiah's reign, and the future glory.
To us the names have shifted, since this present world Matthew 13:40; Ephesians 1:21; Titus 2:12 is to us the kingdom of Christ, and there remains nothing further on this earth to look to, beyond what God has already given us. Our future then, placed as we are between the two Comings of our Lord, is, of necessity, beyond this world .
Barnes
okay?
They Passed over the Messianic Age because they rejected Jesus as Messiah.
they are still waiting for another Age.
and you are eating from their tree.
......
read all of Revelation - many times over 13 years.
not ONE time did it ever spell out a millnenial reign in our future.
anybody with any patience at all can just sit and read that teeny little passge upon which your GIANT THEOLOGICAL HOUSE OF CARDS IS BUILT and see it does NOT teach a furture 1,000 years.
1,000 is a SYMBOLIC NUMBER.
bye now