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I wouldn't go so far as saying it's lawful, in that, it's lawful in God's eyes. I'd say 'permitted', yea. I mean, we're able to do it, so obviously God permits it. We aren't able to stop time, so obviously that's not permissible.
But benificial is another thing.
It's 'permissible' (some might even say 'lawful'), to kill someone who sleeps with your wife. If we lived in a world where everyone did everything that was permissible, we'd be in trouble. And even worse if the permissible atrocities were made lawful rights.
I think our law is well balanced. It's not illegal to sleep with someone's wife. But it's illegal to murder.
IT isn't perfect but I'd rather people weren't killed for sex too.
But benificial is another thing.
It's 'permissible' (some might even say 'lawful'), to kill someone who sleeps with your wife. If we lived in a world where everyone did everything that was permissible, we'd be in trouble. And even worse if the permissible atrocities were made lawful rights.
I think our law is well balanced. It's not illegal to sleep with someone's wife. But it's illegal to murder.
IT isn't perfect but I'd rather people weren't killed for sex too.
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Of those who are "religious" how many of those do you think actually read anything in book regarding the laws of the U.S. as written? And of the rest of the world how many do you think have taken the time to study these laws or even the law written in the bible? In other words it is not what is written that keeps people from acting crazy, it is the God in us all.
No that isn't what is meant. [SUP]27 [/SUP]“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]28 [/SUP]But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. - Matt 5:27-28
it's sinful to look at woman lustfully how much more so would it be to act on ones lust? also the second part of what I said; your statement makes it seem like you can do whatever you want and not sin but if that is the case why are there still things listed as sin even by Paul?
it's sinful to look at woman lustfully how much more so would it be to act on ones lust? also the second part of what I said; your statement makes it seem like you can do whatever you want and not sin but if that is the case why are there still things listed as sin even by Paul?
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One day I was trying to understand the difference between a contract and a covenant which was triggered by someone asking me if I thought marriage was a contract or a covenant. Then this dawned upon me. A contract is a legal agreement whilst a covenant is a solemn promise (a vow). Then I thought about how in the bible when God wanted to establish a covenant with His people blood was shed. Pre-marital sex can have consequences that one may not be able to come out of or trigger off unwanted chain of events etc. In loosing one's virginity blood is shed. Marriage is a covenant, a solemn promise between a man and a woman in the eyes of God. The blood shed on the virgin's couple marital bed is symbolic of that covenant between the husband and his wife sealed by God. In the bible marriage is encouraged if one is unable to stay single for the marriage bed is undefiled. When Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman at the well He told her to go bring her husband. She then replied that she had none. To which He said you are right even though you have 5 meaning she was with 5 men. Could it be that Christ was implying that when one have sex with someone that person becomes your spouse? The bible also speaks of the marriage between Christ and the church. In the resurrection there is no marriage between men and women. In today's time due to all the influences this may not be the circumstance for everyone. However if a person decides to follow Christ you become a new person in Christ and you can recommit yourself to a life of purity if you are single until you are married. Christ said that He came for the sick not for those who are well.
True "marriage" is the flesh and the Spirit.
Malachi 2:14-15
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
Let us use a gay man for an example. One who KNOWS he is gay but because of the gain to be had by the world in being straight, he lives the life of a straight man. He is untrue to himself and is in fornication, loving the world more than what God has put together.
Malachi 2:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?
That same man, putting on a front for the sake of the world, to the point of maybe even "marrying" a female. But occasionally whether by thought or action, he goes back to his true self. This man is defiled. For he is in fornication believe that the evil he does is good, never really realizing that no man can hide his true self from God.
Malachi 2:14-15
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
Let us use a gay man for an example. One who KNOWS he is gay but because of the gain to be had by the world in being straight, he lives the life of a straight man. He is untrue to himself and is in fornication, loving the world more than what God has put together.
Malachi 2:16-17
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the Lord of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Ye have wearied the Lord with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the Lord, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?
That same man, putting on a front for the sake of the world, to the point of maybe even "marrying" a female. But occasionally whether by thought or action, he goes back to his true self. This man is defiled. For he is in fornication believe that the evil he does is good, never really realizing that no man can hide his true self from God.
[QUOTE]sex before marrige[/QUOTE]
Certainly is a sin when indulged in before marriage...'Fornication' is found in the list of the works of the flesh in Gal 5v16-26, the Greek word used here is 'porneia' (Strong NT:4202). “Porneia”is used as a general word for all kinds of unlawful sexual uncleanness, and includes homosexuality as well as fornication (ie sex before marriage) and harlotry. A “porne” (Strong NT:4204) is a prostitute and “porneia” is a selfish gratification of lust. In sharp contrast to this is true Biblical love and marriage, where each partner manifests constant genuine practical care and tenderness towards the other partner. Relationships in Christian marriage should be like that between Christ and His Church. Eph 5v24-29, Col 3v18,19. Lust defiles the personality, but true love, and the correct use of sexual powers, produces an enlargement of the soul and spirit and true worship of God. See also 1Cor 6v9-20, 2Cor 12v20,21, 1Thess 4v3...
Certainly is a sin when indulged in before marriage...'Fornication' is found in the list of the works of the flesh in Gal 5v16-26, the Greek word used here is 'porneia' (Strong NT:4202). “Porneia”is used as a general word for all kinds of unlawful sexual uncleanness, and includes homosexuality as well as fornication (ie sex before marriage) and harlotry. A “porne” (Strong NT:4204) is a prostitute and “porneia” is a selfish gratification of lust. In sharp contrast to this is true Biblical love and marriage, where each partner manifests constant genuine practical care and tenderness towards the other partner. Relationships in Christian marriage should be like that between Christ and His Church. Eph 5v24-29, Col 3v18,19. Lust defiles the personality, but true love, and the correct use of sexual powers, produces an enlargement of the soul and spirit and true worship of God. See also 1Cor 6v9-20, 2Cor 12v20,21, 1Thess 4v3...
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1 Corinthians 7v8-9: 8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. NIV
(Same portion) 8I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 9But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. KJV
(Same portion) 8I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 9But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. KJV
Are you saying that homosexuality is justified because God created the individual that way, and if he lives like a heterosexual he would be committing fornication?
But God does not create people with homosexual desires. That individual needs to be saved.
I apologise if I have misunderstood you.
But the context of that passage is divorce, not homosexuality.
But God does not create people with homosexual desires. That individual needs to be saved.
I apologise if I have misunderstood you.
But the context of that passage is divorce, not homosexuality.
Are you saying that homosexuality is justified because God created the individual that way, and if he lives like a heterosexual he would be committing fornication?
But God does not create people with homosexual desires. That individual needs to be saved.
I apologise if I have misunderstood you.
But the context of that passage is divorce, not homosexuality.
But God does not create people with homosexual desires. That individual needs to be saved.
I apologise if I have misunderstood you.
But the context of that passage is divorce, not homosexuality.
When two people have sex GOD looks at that as a covenant. So when you have sex with someone it's looked upon by God as a marriage. Yes marriage is definitely more then a piece of paper, so that's why it's wise to wait until marriage to have sex. If you married a person you had a one night stand with, it probably wouldn't work. You should really be ready to commit to GOD with someone before you have sex with them.
the early Bible says if you have sex with another you are effectively married.
Jesus actually made it clear marriage doesn't exist in heaven.
And the Bible (somewhere, can't remember where) says we should try to make what is in heaven like on earth.
So that could either mean sex with whomever you wish - or sex with no-one.
Most folks will go with the idea though that one should have one wife and no more.
It FEELS right to me since I became a Christian - I've deviated but no more... just feels wrong now
I KNEW it was wrong before - now it's in my bones somehow
Jesus actually made it clear marriage doesn't exist in heaven.
And the Bible (somewhere, can't remember where) says we should try to make what is in heaven like on earth.
So that could either mean sex with whomever you wish - or sex with no-one.
Most folks will go with the idea though that one should have one wife and no more.
It FEELS right to me since I became a Christian - I've deviated but no more... just feels wrong now
I KNEW it was wrong before - now it's in my bones somehow
Scripture also says (in the same area of the Bible) that a person who has a mould in their house may be forced to leave their home if it doesn't go away. It also says that a child who rebels against it's parents should be stoned to death.
You up for the WHOLE LAW teuful_hunden? Or just the bits you want to carry forward?
You up for the WHOLE LAW teuful_hunden? Or just the bits you want to carry forward?
Proverbs 12:22
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.
Genesis 27:11-13
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]My father peradventure will feel me, and I shall seem to him as a deceiver; and I shall bring a curse upon me, and not a blessing.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And his mother said unto him, Upon me be thy curse, my son: only obey my voice, and go fetch me them.
Both Rebekah and Jacob LIED to receive the blessing of what God had before hand promised. Does this mean that they both are doomed? No! Why? Because of the truth!
Romans 8:28
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.
Genesis 27:11-13
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]My father peradventure will feel me, and I shall seem to him as a deceiver; and I shall bring a curse upon me, and not a blessing.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And his mother said unto him, Upon me be thy curse, my son: only obey my voice, and go fetch me them.
Both Rebekah and Jacob LIED to receive the blessing of what God had before hand promised. Does this mean that they both are doomed? No! Why? Because of the truth!
Romans 8:28
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.