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Does that annoy you? Sorry, but it is true that even last night I was thinking about that very thing but am trying to present things in context with the present focus I am encountering in others.
I may not be good at it but I figure I will never become good at it if I don't try.
Jesus baptism was to fulfill the righteousness of that Old Law Covenant.
Matthew 3:14 "But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
William Tyndale translated verse 15, for a very good reason, this way, Matthew 3:15 "Let it be so on this occasion," Jesus replied; "for so we ought to fulfil every religious duty." Then he consented;"
Yes, every equitable duty of the Old Law Ceremonial Observances. The word "religious" actually means, "ceremonial observance" and though it is actually the word for "equity" there at Mattew 3:15, this does show that William Tyndale recognized what I have been telling you here, that Jesus did that to fulfill the Old law Covenant equitably (perfectly and completely for the benefit of all, thus one could say, “righteously”.
Matthew 3:14 "But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
William Tyndale translated verse 15, for a very good reason, this way, Matthew 3:15 "Let it be so on this occasion," Jesus replied; "for so we ought to fulfil every religious duty." Then he consented;"
Yes, every equitable duty of the Old Law Ceremonial Observances. The word "religious" actually means, "ceremonial observance" and though it is actually the word for "equity" there at Mattew 3:15, this does show that William Tyndale recognized what I have been telling you here, that Jesus did that to fulfill the Old law Covenant equitably (perfectly and completely for the benefit of all, thus one could say, “righteously”.
well, it's just a little gnosticky.
there's no great mystery in any of it.
just read it.
Mark 1:8
I have baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
All the common sense, analyzing, deciding how scripture means this not that, is out of place. It is simple. We are baptized with the Holy Spirit, and we in our mortal body use water to symbolize that. We are baptized with the Holy Spirit, that is what is important. This you can take to the bank.
I have baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
All the common sense, analyzing, deciding how scripture means this not that, is out of place. It is simple. We are baptized with the Holy Spirit, and we in our mortal body use water to symbolize that. We are baptized with the Holy Spirit, that is what is important. This you can take to the bank.
I don't see how this text supports your position. It does not say that he who is not baptized is condemned only he who does not believe.
This text is subject to some question as to its authenticity so its probably not the strongest text to use to support this doctrine.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
use whichever texts you like.
the people (after John and after Christ) were baptized in water.
they always have been.
until the Holiness Movement and all that.
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He meant, "Go and submerse disciples into the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit"
Psalms 89:16 "In thy name shall they rejoice all the day: and in thy righteousness shall they be exalted."
John 17:12 "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."
Proverbs 18:10 "The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe."
1 Kings 5:5 "And, behold, I purpose to build an house unto the name of the LORD my God, as the LORD spake unto David my father, saying, Thy son, whom I will set upon thy throne in thy room, he shall build an house unto my name."
submerse meaning what?
teaching?
'Holy Spirit baptism' with evidence of babbling?
or be baptized in water?
Are you seeking to divide and conquer by getting me to speak against Pentecostals?
You crawl into water if you want.
As for me and my household we will take refuge in the Lord. We will submerse ourselves in his Word.
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