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Actually Jacob did not know who he was wrestling (he asked the name of the man after they had fought).
Do you suggest he fought with a strange man to gain a blessing from God?
Or do you think he knew it was God's messenger (angel) and pretended not to know who it was?
Do you think knowingly fighting against God can get us blessed? Do you suggest Jacob thought so?
And I made no mention of festivals so you might have thought I had said something which I didn't.
It is nice to know though that Constantine is not 'Great' in the eyes of all
- he did much for the alleviation of persecution but at a terrible cost from what I see today.
I am pretty aware of the history thanks. It's sad that people are not made fully aware of it all.
And as a studier of history I am fully aware that almost all do paint history with bias. As I expect the people who wrote the books you read did too. It is an ever-present fact of historical study and we must learn to try to read around the bias.
A historian continues to try and work out what happened and rarely leads with calling the ideas of others lies.
Do you suggest he fought with a strange man to gain a blessing from God?
Or do you think he knew it was God's messenger (angel) and pretended not to know who it was?
Do you think knowingly fighting against God can get us blessed? Do you suggest Jacob thought so?
And I made no mention of festivals so you might have thought I had said something which I didn't.
It is nice to know though that Constantine is not 'Great' in the eyes of all
- he did much for the alleviation of persecution but at a terrible cost from what I see today.I am pretty aware of the history thanks. It's sad that people are not made fully aware of it all.
And as a studier of history I am fully aware that almost all do paint history with bias. As I expect the people who wrote the books you read did too. It is an ever-present fact of historical study and we must learn to try to read around the bias.
A historian continues to try and work out what happened and rarely leads with calling the ideas of others lies.
do we have this sorted out yet?
“We define a cult as a religion which claims to be Christian while emptying Christianity of that which is essential to it. If Dispensationalism does this, then Dispensationalism is a cult and not a branch of the Christian church. It is as serious as that. It is impossible to exaggerate the gravity of the situation”
John H. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth
....
The exact origin of the idea of a separate (third) coming of Christ is not easy to establish.
• Dr. Gerstner suggests it was introduced in 1831 in Oxford during the first Powerscourt
meeting, a symposium on Biblical prophecy, hosted by the wealthy Lady Powerscourt.
• Jon Zens attributes the idea of a secret, pretribulational Rapture to Edward Irving.
• Dave MacPherson concludes that it arose through the prophecies of young 16-year-old
Margaret MacDonald who was given to visions in the Irvingite group. Darby himself
thought Miss MacDonald was deluded.
8. What is more certain is that in 1831 Darby began to publish his thoughts on the field of
prophetic interpretation and the concept of a secret rapture.
Chapter 3: Dispensationalism in America
In this short chapter Dr. Gerstner traces the rise of Dispensational thought in American
culture through the influence of men such as James H. Brookes who was born in 1830 in Pulaski,
Tennessee. Brookes worked closely with John Darby who came often to America to advance his
views. As a result of his proximity to Darby and his saturation with dispensational thinking,
Brookes was able to influence many young people one of which was C.I. Scofield.
The Message Spreads
One reason the Scofield Reference Bible proved to be so popular was that it found a
sympathetic audience due in large part to the preaching of the great evangelist D. L. Moody.
From 1880 through 1887 and again from 1894-1902 the Northfield Conferences, which Moody
founded and promoted, were strongly influenced by dispensationalists. Countless people were
introduced to dispensational teaching at these conferences who in turn went forth to teach others.
The establishment of Dallas Seminary by Presbyterian minister and singer Lewis Sperry
Chafer (1871-1952) gave dispensationalism a scholarly basis of legitimacy. Chafer is also
credited with producing the first full and definitive systematic theology of Dispensationalism.
His “massive eight-volume work is a full articulation of the standard Scofieldian variety of
dispensational thought, constantly related to the Biblical texts and date on which it claims to
rest” (JHG).
Popular evangelism, Bible conferences, seminaries, the rise of the Bible school
movement, and endless literature promoting its distinctives has made certain that Dispensational
theology has been and will continue to be a great challenge to the historic Christian faith.
http://m.b5z.net/i/u/6125685/i/stanmurrell.com_wrongly_dividing_the_word_of_truth.pdf < click
i mean...are you serious??
That chart took some time and lots of understanding, study, imagination, creativity and some good art work to be able to display all those dispensations of time. I commend Clarence Larkin on all his hard work and effort to simplify things systematically and to make them to be understood by the student of God's word through illustrations and word pictures that you can study and profit from. Be careful and don't let you flesh lead you into a mocking spirit, because that would not be too pleasing.
Actually Jacob did not know who he was wrestling (he asked the name of the man after they had fought).
Do you suggest he fought with a strange man to gain a blessing from God?
Or do you think he knew it was God's messenger (angel) and pretended not to know who it was?
Do you think knowingly fighting against God can get us blessed? Do you suggest Jacob thought so?
And I made no mention of festivals so you might have thought I had said something which I didn't.
It is nice to know though that Constantine is not 'Great' in the eyes of all - he did much for the alleviation of persecution but at a terrible cost from what I see today.
I am pretty aware of the history thanks. It's sad that people are not made fully aware of it all.
And as a studier of history I am fully aware that almost all do paint history with bias. As I expect the people who wrote the books you read did too. It is an ever-present fact of historical study and we must learn to try to read around the bias.
A historian continues to try and work out what happened and rarely leads with calling the ideas of others lies.
Do you suggest he fought with a strange man to gain a blessing from God?
Or do you think he knew it was God's messenger (angel) and pretended not to know who it was?
Do you think knowingly fighting against God can get us blessed? Do you suggest Jacob thought so?
And I made no mention of festivals so you might have thought I had said something which I didn't.
It is nice to know though that Constantine is not 'Great' in the eyes of all
- he did much for the alleviation of persecution but at a terrible cost from what I see today.I am pretty aware of the history thanks. It's sad that people are not made fully aware of it all.
And as a studier of history I am fully aware that almost all do paint history with bias. As I expect the people who wrote the books you read did too. It is an ever-present fact of historical study and we must learn to try to read around the bias.
A historian continues to try and work out what happened and rarely leads with calling the ideas of others lies.
27 And he [the man with whom Jacob was wrestling] said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28 And he [the man with whom Jacob was wrestling] said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
2 Timothy 2:16: "But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness."
Why do you ridicule believers in the body of Christ? Are your words an attempt to build the body up or tear it down? Just because you have a different view to some out there?
Romans 14:10-13: "But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written: "As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way"
Your mocking just shows the desire to seek the approval of men, rather than God.
Why do you ridicule believers in the body of Christ? Are your words an attempt to build the body up or tear it down? Just because you have a different view to some out there?
Romans 14:10-13: "But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written: "As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way"
Your mocking just shows the desire to seek the approval of men, rather than God.
A Saviour unto Israel
Acts 13:23
Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
This was not peter here, but paul, the apostle unto the gentiles, who makes this very important statement, and sheds much light upon for whom Jesus Christ came to save as according to promise..
Another important scripture that lends to the truth of this is Lk 1:68-69
68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, [see Matt 1: 21]
69And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70As he spake [or promised] by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
This promise of redemption of His people, as the Lord God of Israel, hath been revealed and promised since the world began..
This takes us back to the first proclamation of the promised salvation or redemption to Gen 3:15
15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel
This seed of the women would be Israel [Christ and His People]..and the which, salvations first promise is to and for this seed Israel, the seed of the women..
This is some what typed out or signified in Rev 12:1-2
1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. [the birth of Jesus Christ]
This women had also a seed as we see later in Rev 12:17
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[ so Christ and his Members are the seed of the women Gal 3:16,29]
So salvation and redemption from the conception of the world, had only a particular seed in view, which later became known as Israel..
But now, its important to understand, that the Israel paul is referring to in Acts 13:23..is not Israel according to the flesh..but Israel according to Promise..
Lets show here how paul discerned another Israel other than national Israel Rom 9:6
Not as though the word [or promise] of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel [Acts 13:23],] which are of Israel [nationally]:
You see, the promises of redemption and salvation as stated in Lk 1:68-70, to the people of God, the God of Israel, the promise were not to national israel..but a spiritual remnant within that nation, and as we will find out, a spiritual remnant among the nations of the world, which constituted Israel,[Rom 11] the one paul preached in Acts 13:23
Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Now paul had the Israel of God [Rom 9:6] in view when he made this statement in the above..
Now get this next point, for its tricky, but nevertheless its extremely important because of the symmetry and analogy of scripture.
The difference between what paul preached here in Acts 13 :23 and what peter taught here in Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
The difference is this..for peter was correct in that Jesus was exalted to the right hand of God to give repentance to a certain chosen people Israel..but what peter did not know but what paul did know..is this:
That Israel was no longer viewed as a mere physical ethnic nation, but that Israel was comprised of Gentiles as well, who became Israel..
Notice..Eph 2:12,19
12That at that time ye [gentiles] were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
They [Gentiles] are now no more strangers and aliens, but fellowcitizens [of Israel Gods chosen people] and so now they also have the same right to be called Israel,
in fact, even more of a right than the non elect jews of that nation..because the Israel of God was never non elect jews, but Elect Jews like Jacob over Esau or Isaac over ishmael..Children of promise..
So salvation and redemption has always been limited unto Israel as a people, but the mystery that was not clearly unveiled since the world began [Gen 3:15]
Eph 3:3-6
3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: [Lk 1: 68-70]
In that Israel was made up of Gentiles also.. Yes thats the unveiling in more detail by Paul of this mystery..[Israel of God was never a physical nation but a Spiritual people or Nation Rom 2,1Pet 2 ]
but nevertheless, true to promise, salvation and redemption is and has always been limited to a chosen people [Israel]..not limited to a certain geographical location as national Israel in the middle east or a certain ethical people [respect of persons], but the scope of this Israel of God is world wide..but nevertheless its only to the world of Gods Israel, all others, are blinded..
You know how paul says in Rom 9: 6
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
So likewise, they are not all the world [for whom Christ died] which are of the world [the inhabited earth]
Just like there was an Israel within Israel that God had a respect and favor for, likewise there is a world within the world that God has a special regard for, and that world is the Israel of God, the Spiritual seed of Abraham..
Acts 13:23
Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
This was not peter here, but paul, the apostle unto the gentiles, who makes this very important statement, and sheds much light upon for whom Jesus Christ came to save as according to promise..
Another important scripture that lends to the truth of this is Lk 1:68-69
68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, [see Matt 1: 21]
69And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 70As he spake [or promised] by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
This promise of redemption of His people, as the Lord God of Israel, hath been revealed and promised since the world began..
This takes us back to the first proclamation of the promised salvation or redemption to Gen 3:15
15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel
This seed of the women would be Israel [Christ and His People]..and the which, salvations first promise is to and for this seed Israel, the seed of the women..
This is some what typed out or signified in Rev 12:1-2
1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. [the birth of Jesus Christ]
This women had also a seed as we see later in Rev 12:17
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[ so Christ and his Members are the seed of the women Gal 3:16,29]
So salvation and redemption from the conception of the world, had only a particular seed in view, which later became known as Israel..
But now, its important to understand, that the Israel paul is referring to in Acts 13:23..is not Israel according to the flesh..but Israel according to Promise..
Lets show here how paul discerned another Israel other than national Israel Rom 9:6
Not as though the word [or promise] of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel [Acts 13:23],] which are of Israel [nationally]:
You see, the promises of redemption and salvation as stated in Lk 1:68-70, to the people of God, the God of Israel, the promise were not to national israel..but a spiritual remnant within that nation, and as we will find out, a spiritual remnant among the nations of the world, which constituted Israel,[Rom 11] the one paul preached in Acts 13:23
Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
Now paul had the Israel of God [Rom 9:6] in view when he made this statement in the above..
Now get this next point, for its tricky, but nevertheless its extremely important because of the symmetry and analogy of scripture.
The difference between what paul preached here in Acts 13 :23 and what peter taught here in Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
The difference is this..for peter was correct in that Jesus was exalted to the right hand of God to give repentance to a certain chosen people Israel..but what peter did not know but what paul did know..is this:
That Israel was no longer viewed as a mere physical ethnic nation, but that Israel was comprised of Gentiles as well, who became Israel..
Notice..Eph 2:12,19
12That at that time ye [gentiles] were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
They [Gentiles] are now no more strangers and aliens, but fellowcitizens [of Israel Gods chosen people] and so now they also have the same right to be called Israel,
in fact, even more of a right than the non elect jews of that nation..because the Israel of God was never non elect jews, but Elect Jews like Jacob over Esau or Isaac over ishmael..Children of promise..
So salvation and redemption has always been limited unto Israel as a people, but the mystery that was not clearly unveiled since the world began [Gen 3:15]
Eph 3:3-6
3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: [Lk 1: 68-70]
In that Israel was made up of Gentiles also.. Yes thats the unveiling in more detail by Paul of this mystery..[Israel of God was never a physical nation but a Spiritual people or Nation Rom 2,1Pet 2 ]
but nevertheless, true to promise, salvation and redemption is and has always been limited to a chosen people [Israel]..not limited to a certain geographical location as national Israel in the middle east or a certain ethical people [respect of persons], but the scope of this Israel of God is world wide..but nevertheless its only to the world of Gods Israel, all others, are blinded..
You know how paul says in Rom 9: 6
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
So likewise, they are not all the world [for whom Christ died] which are of the world [the inhabited earth]
Just like there was an Israel within Israel that God had a respect and favor for, likewise there is a world within the world that God has a special regard for, and that world is the Israel of God, the Spiritual seed of Abraham..
Salvation Limited to Israel
Here are some more scriptures that set forth the particular nature of salvation from types..
In looking forward to the work of the cross and its accomplishments and its attending blessings, and to who they applied, we have this in Zech 12:10
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Notice here to whom the spiritual blessings of repentance was to be poured out to..
Not everyone in the whole wide world, but to the house of David and the inhabitants of jerusalem..
The Jerusalem here is not the city in Israel, but the jerusalem from above:
Gal 4:12
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Heb 12:23
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Zech 12 is describing their conversion because of the power and blessings of the cross..
Notice it says the house of David ! The House of David or the Tabernacle of David includes the gentiles..
This we see Acts 15:14-16
14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
The gentiles are called the tabernacle of David, intimating the mystery that paul fully taught about in His Ministry, but we see here that the apostle James had somewhat been enlightened of the scripture, for he quotes Amos 9:11-12
11In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
12That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
And he of course applies this to the out calling of a people from amongst the gentiles to be a people for Gods name sake..The LORD GOD OF ISRAEL..
Zech 13:1
1In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Again, particularily pointing out to whom the fountain was open to..that cleanses from sin and uncleaness [the blood of christ] it was not to or for all mankind, but for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the house of David.
These designations indicate Gods elect apart from the other inhabitants of the world..
So God has always kept a particular disciminate people to whom He deals with favorably, over and above other people..and its by His grace alone..
Here are some more scriptures that set forth the particular nature of salvation from types..
In looking forward to the work of the cross and its accomplishments and its attending blessings, and to who they applied, we have this in Zech 12:10
10And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Notice here to whom the spiritual blessings of repentance was to be poured out to..
Not everyone in the whole wide world, but to the house of David and the inhabitants of jerusalem..
The Jerusalem here is not the city in Israel, but the jerusalem from above:
Gal 4:12
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Heb 12:23
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Zech 12 is describing their conversion because of the power and blessings of the cross..
Notice it says the house of David ! The House of David or the Tabernacle of David includes the gentiles..
This we see Acts 15:14-16
14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
The gentiles are called the tabernacle of David, intimating the mystery that paul fully taught about in His Ministry, but we see here that the apostle James had somewhat been enlightened of the scripture, for he quotes Amos 9:11-12
11In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
12That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
And he of course applies this to the out calling of a people from amongst the gentiles to be a people for Gods name sake..The LORD GOD OF ISRAEL..
Zech 13:1
1In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Again, particularily pointing out to whom the fountain was open to..that cleanses from sin and uncleaness [the blood of christ] it was not to or for all mankind, but for the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the house of David.
These designations indicate Gods elect apart from the other inhabitants of the world..
So God has always kept a particular disciminate people to whom He deals with favorably, over and above other people..and its by His grace alone..
More on the Mystery
Back to the Mystery that paul was called to expound on moreso than any other apostle, and which he proclaimed[ by the gospel] is that the True
Israel of God [ Gal 6:16], the True seed of abraham [ Rom 9:8 , Heb 2:16] who are the heirs of the promises of God [ Gal 3: 7,29 ; 2 Cor 1:20; Rom 15:8; Acts 13:32] are a body composed of all those, wether jew by birth or gentile by birth, who are of the Faith of abraham, who is the father of us all [Rom 4:16,13]vs 13
13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
The world here is that world that Abraham was made Father of as in Gen 17:5
5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
People of the many nations are this world..
Back to the Mystery that paul was called to expound on moreso than any other apostle, and which he proclaimed[ by the gospel] is that the True
Israel of God [ Gal 6:16], the True seed of abraham [ Rom 9:8 , Heb 2:16] who are the heirs of the promises of God [ Gal 3: 7,29 ; 2 Cor 1:20; Rom 15:8; Acts 13:32] are a body composed of all those, wether jew by birth or gentile by birth, who are of the Faith of abraham, who is the father of us all [Rom 4:16,13]vs 13
13For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
The world here is that world that Abraham was made Father of as in Gen 17:5
5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
People of the many nations are this world..
The seed of Israel shall be justified !
In keeping with the particular , discrimanating nature of Gods Love and Salvation..That its for a special people Israel as paul preached in Acts 13:23
23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
No promise to anyone else..
here is more scripture proof of the same: Isa 45:25
25In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory
In the LORD, that is in the Lord Jesus christ, whom is the True Israel of God..Isa 49:3
3And said unto me, Thou [Jesus christ] art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
For it is He [ Jesus christ] that Has prevailed with God, whom is a Prince with God, and His seed with Him, that is, those who had been chosen in him before the world began..Eph 1:4
Isa 49:3Thou are my Servant , O Israel in whom I will be Glorifed cp Jn 17:4
4I I [Jesus christ] have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Now those chosen in Him [ Jesus christ], are too created for Gods Glory Isa 43:7,21
7Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
21This people [not all people] have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.
1 Pet 2:9
9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Now the Promise of Justification is for Israel [ a distinct people] and not Israel after the Flesh, for all the promises to her were conditional and confined to this earth, and that covenant she broke :
Jer 31:32
32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Heb 8:9
9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
But the Israel of God, chosen In the True Israel Servant of God, The Lord Jesus christ..
The Gospel promises have always been directed towards a certain seed, a special chosen people of God known as Israel..which fleshly israel only typified, because the True israel is not chosen by race, but by Grace..for The Lord is the Hope of His people Israel..
Joel 3:16
16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Paul preached even as the Apostle to the gentiles [and because he knew the mystery] That God raised up a Saviour unto the whole world ? No, but unto Israel He raised up a Saviour..
The Lord is the Hope of His people, not the devils People..
Closing references:
Isa 43:20-21
20The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.
21This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.
Joel 2:26,27,32
26And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
27And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. cp Acts 2:39
39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
The Angel announced this blessed Truth about Jesus Matt 1:21
21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
All those who teach that there is no discrimination with God, in that He chose a special people above all the Rest to be their God, and they His People and wrought salvation for them..
All such are teaching a false Gospel..
In keeping with the particular , discrimanating nature of Gods Love and Salvation..That its for a special people Israel as paul preached in Acts 13:23
23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
No promise to anyone else..
here is more scripture proof of the same: Isa 45:25
25In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory
In the LORD, that is in the Lord Jesus christ, whom is the True Israel of God..Isa 49:3
3And said unto me, Thou [Jesus christ] art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
For it is He [ Jesus christ] that Has prevailed with God, whom is a Prince with God, and His seed with Him, that is, those who had been chosen in him before the world began..Eph 1:4
Isa 49:3Thou are my Servant , O Israel in whom I will be Glorifed cp Jn 17:4
4I I [Jesus christ] have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
Now those chosen in Him [ Jesus christ], are too created for Gods Glory Isa 43:7,21
7Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
21This people [not all people] have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.
1 Pet 2:9
9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Now the Promise of Justification is for Israel [ a distinct people] and not Israel after the Flesh, for all the promises to her were conditional and confined to this earth, and that covenant she broke :
Jer 31:32
32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Heb 8:9
9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
But the Israel of God, chosen In the True Israel Servant of God, The Lord Jesus christ..
The Gospel promises have always been directed towards a certain seed, a special chosen people of God known as Israel..which fleshly israel only typified, because the True israel is not chosen by race, but by Grace..for The Lord is the Hope of His people Israel..
Joel 3:16
16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
Paul preached even as the Apostle to the gentiles [and because he knew the mystery] That God raised up a Saviour unto the whole world ? No, but unto Israel He raised up a Saviour..
The Lord is the Hope of His people, not the devils People..
Closing references:
Isa 43:20-21
20The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.
21This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.
Joel 2:26,27,32
26And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.
27And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.
32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. cp Acts 2:39
39For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.
The Angel announced this blessed Truth about Jesus Matt 1:21
21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
All those who teach that there is no discrimination with God, in that He chose a special people above all the Rest to be their God, and they His People and wrought salvation for them..
All such are teaching a false Gospel..
I believe contrary to most people, that the person Jacob wrestled with was Satan. This is one of the most powerful blessings given to anyone in Old Covenant Israel, in fact this is why we call Israel, Israel! This was the Covenant blessing, Satan is a Covenant Creature, this is why he is such a powerful creature and why God could not and cannot just destroy him.
We have here the crossing of a stream, or creek, or some such body of water and something important always seems to be afoot when this occurs in the Old Testament. i e the Jordan, the Red Sea I know the Word of God calls him a man, and I know Jacob's statement was... I have looked upon the face of God and lived...
This adversary said to Jacob in the 28th verse, ....as a prince, you have power with God and men...(maybe referring to Adam, or Adamic men). Satan is a prince also, he blessed Jacob because Jacob by the power of God ....prevailed over him... which seem to be the same blessings of New covenant Israel in Christ Jesus.
Only a Covenant Creature could bless Jacob in this manner, I believe the blessing he stole from Christ Jesus at his fall, and he smote Jacob in his thigh. Thus a price had been paid in battle with God's arch enemy! Only the true Israel could prevail over the Covenant Creature and he knew it.
The term the face of God could mean many things, but Jacob knew he had encountered someone from the same place as God, that he himself could not have prevailed over. Just thought I'd throw this out there.
We have here the crossing of a stream, or creek, or some such body of water and something important always seems to be afoot when this occurs in the Old Testament. i e the Jordan, the Red Sea I know the Word of God calls him a man, and I know Jacob's statement was... I have looked upon the face of God and lived...
This adversary said to Jacob in the 28th verse, ....as a prince, you have power with God and men...(maybe referring to Adam, or Adamic men). Satan is a prince also, he blessed Jacob because Jacob by the power of God ....prevailed over him... which seem to be the same blessings of New covenant Israel in Christ Jesus.
Only a Covenant Creature could bless Jacob in this manner, I believe the blessing he stole from Christ Jesus at his fall, and he smote Jacob in his thigh. Thus a price had been paid in battle with God's arch enemy! Only the true Israel could prevail over the Covenant Creature and he knew it.
The term the face of God could mean many things, but Jacob knew he had encountered someone from the same place as God, that he himself could not have prevailed over. Just thought I'd throw this out there.
Israel shall be saved !
Isa 45:17
17But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
But Israel [ The Elect of God] shall [no doubt about it] be saved in the LORD [ Yahweh in Christ] with an everlasting Salvation..and they [ The Elect or the Israel of God] shall [no doubt about it] not be ashamed nor confounded world without end..
What Israel is spoken of here ? Remember Paul teaches that all are not Israel [ of the Election of Grace] that are of Israel [ the nation]
This Israels salvation is premised upon the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant, and not the Mosaic law at Sinai..
This Israel is comprised of the Children of Promise per Rom 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
So the Children of Promise here in vs 8 and the first mentioned Israel in vs 6 are the same.
And thats the Israel in view in Isa 45:17
And their Salvation is sure and based upon the Immutable Counsel of The LORD..
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Isa 45:17
17But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
But Israel [ The Elect of God] shall [no doubt about it] be saved in the LORD [ Yahweh in Christ] with an everlasting Salvation..and they [ The Elect or the Israel of God] shall [no doubt about it] not be ashamed nor confounded world without end..
What Israel is spoken of here ? Remember Paul teaches that all are not Israel [ of the Election of Grace] that are of Israel [ the nation]
This Israels salvation is premised upon the Blood of the Everlasting Covenant, and not the Mosaic law at Sinai..
This Israel is comprised of the Children of Promise per Rom 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
So the Children of Promise here in vs 8 and the first mentioned Israel in vs 6 are the same.
And thats the Israel in view in Isa 45:17
And their Salvation is sure and based upon the Immutable Counsel of The LORD..
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