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J
I quote this is red lettering because it was from the mouth of JESUS....
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
pretty sure HE said baptizing them. pretty sure that when HE says do something we need to do it, that it isn't optional.
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
pretty sure HE said baptizing them. pretty sure that when HE says do something we need to do it, that it isn't optional.
Exactly. Baptism has been turned into a dichotomous meaning where people think it means you are either baptized by water or fire....but in reality, it is a "both/and" situation, and not an "either/or"...If Jesus only meant baptism by spirit and not water, why would Peter and Paul command the teachings of baptism by both spirit AND water?
J
it's "out of step" because people only see it as an "outward sign" or as a symbolic gesture. IF they was doing it right, they would only need to do it once.
like I said before, I grew up baptist and they would baptize people so they would join that congregation. They totally stripped the true meaning of baptism into a tradition.
like I said before, I grew up baptist and they would baptize people so they would join that congregation. They totally stripped the true meaning of baptism into a tradition.
I think you some how confused what I said in that post, I do not confuse the two for God is not religous, Godjustloveus all, that while we were yet sinners died for us. It is a gift from God. And in this I have become a responder to God's Love and quit being religous, where in religion one is an intitiator the creation trying to be God in trying to get God to respond to us, when only people do this and we get decieved into thinking God is responding to us.
When in all truth if God ever responded to me then that would make me God of God hmmm!!!!!!!!!!!! which man is doing this all over the world creating, initiating and being god of all those thast say things like oh wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! see that person over there wow!!!!!!!!!! how righteous he is.
And the first thing I say is let me interview his wife and we shall see that there is no one righteous except God, all glory goes to God and man is stealing this glory and power away from God and man is unfortuantely looking upon man, going here and over there being carried about by every wind of doctrine that man has put out. But no matter Iknow God will come through to all that do believe and shall know the truth the truth that sets them free to serve God in sincereity, willingly and lovingly as 1 cor 13:4-13 pointsout so well from God and this typeof love can only be recieved from God
Thanks foryour edifications Roger much appreciated
When in all truth if God ever responded to me then that would make me God of God hmmm!!!!!!!!!!!! which man is doing this all over the world creating, initiating and being god of all those thast say things like oh wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! see that person over there wow!!!!!!!!!! how righteous he is.
And the first thing I say is let me interview his wife and we shall see that there is no one righteous except God, all glory goes to God and man is stealing this glory and power away from God and man is unfortuantely looking upon man, going here and over there being carried about by every wind of doctrine that man has put out. But no matter Iknow God will come through to all that do believe and shall know the truth the truth that sets them free to serve God in sincereity, willingly and lovingly as 1 cor 13:4-13 pointsout so well from God and this typeof love can only be recieved from God
Thanks foryour edifications Roger much appreciated
When Jesus commanded that a person needs to be baptized , and HE KNEW that HE IS THE ONE THAT WILL BAPTIZE WITH SPIRIT, and Jesus commanded .... Be perfect... And Jesus commaanded... Go make disciples... And Jesus commanded... Teach them to uphold all I TAUGHT YOU.... And Jesus commanded BAPTIZE THEM IN THE NAME .... All Jesus said in ALL these things were.... FATHER SHALL SAVE THEM....
All these things Jesus commanded, was ..... WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD SINNETH NOT!!!! The WHOLE Bible is often summed up in one sentance or one idea or one goal... And they ALL mean one thing... The saved sinner in GOD and GOD in the saved sinner.
The WHOLE BIBLE teaches how God makes the lost people SAFE IN HIM. HOLY, GLORIOUS AND DELIVERED FROM EVIL...
Every Command of God points to INE GREAT COMMAND.... BE PERFECT! ALL God's will is done in perfect SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD.... THEY ARE MADE PERFECTLY ONE IN HIM...
The BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, IS THE MOMENT GOD PUTS HIS SPIRIT IN A PERSON TO BE FOREVER MADE PERFECTLY ONE WITH GOD.... Many times refered to as Born of GOD, and filled with the Holy Spirit.
NO PERSON WILL ENTER INTO GOD'S KINGDOM WITHOUT THIS BAPTISM, and MANY WILL STILL GO TO HELL DESPITE THE WATER BAPTISM..... WATER CANNOT SAVE! The Holy Spirit CANNOT FAIL.... I do not know of a single person that received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and sinned again, SAVE THE TWO WHO LIED IN ACTS 2, AND THEY DIED ON THE SPOT.... But Simon the soucerer also was baptized with water and he sinned thinking he can buy gifts of God, but he remained alive.... See the differance?
Spirit Baptism is a SERIOUS step of God to put a NEW HEART, and A NEW SPIRIT in a person, to do HIS WILL...
All these things Jesus commanded, was ..... WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD SINNETH NOT!!!! The WHOLE Bible is often summed up in one sentance or one idea or one goal... And they ALL mean one thing... The saved sinner in GOD and GOD in the saved sinner.
The WHOLE BIBLE teaches how God makes the lost people SAFE IN HIM. HOLY, GLORIOUS AND DELIVERED FROM EVIL...
Every Command of God points to INE GREAT COMMAND.... BE PERFECT! ALL God's will is done in perfect SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD.... THEY ARE MADE PERFECTLY ONE IN HIM...
The BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, IS THE MOMENT GOD PUTS HIS SPIRIT IN A PERSON TO BE FOREVER MADE PERFECTLY ONE WITH GOD.... Many times refered to as Born of GOD, and filled with the Holy Spirit.
NO PERSON WILL ENTER INTO GOD'S KINGDOM WITHOUT THIS BAPTISM, and MANY WILL STILL GO TO HELL DESPITE THE WATER BAPTISM..... WATER CANNOT SAVE! The Holy Spirit CANNOT FAIL.... I do not know of a single person that received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and sinned again, SAVE THE TWO WHO LIED IN ACTS 2, AND THEY DIED ON THE SPOT.... But Simon the soucerer also was baptized with water and he sinned thinking he can buy gifts of God, but he remained alive.... See the differance?
Spirit Baptism is a SERIOUS step of God to put a NEW HEART, and A NEW SPIRIT in a person, to do HIS WILL...
Not against anyone or their belief, I am free to eat all things
[h=3]Romans 14:1-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)
14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
I know God is able to do this for us all that believe
[h=3]Romans 14:1-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)
14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
I know God is able to do this for us all that believe
home...if the thief on the cross was saved without coming down to be baptized, and if something happened to someone and they were unable, or incapacitated, or stopped by the secret police or WHATEVER...of course that's not the issue.
the issue is denying what the Lord said - claiming it isn't commanded...rejecting or despising it.
allowing someone; something - usually false doctrine or pride or whatever to hinder you! many people are baptized the very day they believe.
kóluó: to hinder
Original Word: κωλύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: kóluó
Phonetic Spelling: (ko-loo'-o)
Short Definition: I prevent, hinder
Definition: I prevent, debar, hinder; with infin: from doing so and so.
Word Origin
probably from the same as kolazó
Definition
to hinder
NASB Translation
forbid (2), forbidden (1), forbidding (1), forbids (1), hinder (5), hindered (1), hindering (1), kept (1), prevent (3), prevented (2), prevents (1), refuse (1), restrained (1), stand in...way (1), withhold (1).
i just don't think it's a good idea - at all - particularly when baptism is clearly connected to the remission of sins in several places. it's not the water - it's the GOSPEL!
Acts 8
Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch
26Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Rise and go toward the southd to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is a desert place. 27And he rose and went. And there was an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure. He had come to Jerusalem to worship 28and was returning, seated in his chariot, and he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” 30So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32Now the passage of the Scripture that he was reading was this:
“Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter
and like a lamb before its shearer is silent,
so he opens not his mouth.
33 In his humiliation justice was denied him.
Who can describe his generation?
For his life is taken away from the earth.”
34And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. 36And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”e 38And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. 40But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the gospel to all the towns until he came to Caesarea.
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dunno....just seems so clear, doesn't it?
it says water. not anything else.
are you serious?
'just be water baptised and be saved'? - uh....really?
when you heard or read the Gospel of your salvation - did you come across the passages that said to be baptized?
what did you do when you read them?
did you reason for a year about what they could possibly mean? did someone tell you they didn't mean what they clearly said?
like....not sure what you are getting at.
....
toss out being baptized.
toss out praying.
bible study
fellowship
because they're not all mentioned in every single verse in scripture at the same time, i guess
....
if you are serious - why would you not be feeling drawn to a church? that is what The Lord established.
a fellowship of believers.
a pastor at a church will baptize you if your profession about Jesus is correct.
or any other christian can baptize you.
anyways...sometimes i wonder.
"See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”
kóluó: to hinder
Original Word: κωλύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: kóluó
Phonetic Spelling: (ko-loo'-o)
Short Definition: I prevent, hinder
Definition: I prevent, debar, hinder; with infin: from doing so and so.
Word Origin
probably from the same as kolazó
Definition
to hinder
NASB Translation
forbid (2), forbidden (1), forbidding (1), forbids (1), hinder (5), hindered (1), hindering (1), kept (1), prevent (3), prevented (2), prevents (1), refuse (1), restrained (1), stand in...way (1), withhold (1).
the issue is denying what the Lord said - claiming it isn't commanded...rejecting or despising it.
allowing someone; something - usually false doctrine or pride or whatever to hinder you! many people are baptized the very day they believe.
kóluó: to hinder
Original Word: κωλύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: kóluó
Phonetic Spelling: (ko-loo'-o)
Short Definition: I prevent, hinder
Definition: I prevent, debar, hinder; with infin: from doing so and so.
Word Origin
probably from the same as kolazó
Definition
to hinder
NASB Translation
forbid (2), forbidden (1), forbidding (1), forbids (1), hinder (5), hindered (1), hindering (1), kept (1), prevent (3), prevented (2), prevents (1), refuse (1), restrained (1), stand in...way (1), withhold (1).
i just don't think it's a good idea - at all - particularly when baptism is clearly connected to the remission of sins in several places. it's not the water - it's the GOSPEL!
Acts 8
Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch
26Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Rise and go toward the southd to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is a desert place. 27And he rose and went. And there was an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure. He had come to Jerusalem to worship 28and was returning, seated in his chariot, and he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” 30So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32Now the passage of the Scripture that he was reading was this:
“Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter
and like a lamb before its shearer is silent,
so he opens not his mouth.
33 In his humiliation justice was denied him.
Who can describe his generation?
For his life is taken away from the earth.”
34And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus. 36And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, “See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”e 38And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord carried Philip away, and the eunuch saw him no more, and went on his way rejoicing. 40But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he preached the gospel to all the towns until he came to Caesarea.
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dunno....just seems so clear, doesn't it?
it says water. not anything else.
are you serious?
'just be water baptised and be saved'? - uh....really?
when you heard or read the Gospel of your salvation - did you come across the passages that said to be baptized?
what did you do when you read them?
did you reason for a year about what they could possibly mean? did someone tell you they didn't mean what they clearly said?
like....not sure what you are getting at.
....
toss out being baptized.
toss out praying.
bible study
fellowship
because they're not all mentioned in every single verse in scripture at the same time, i guess
....
if you are serious - why would you not be feeling drawn to a church? that is what The Lord established.
a fellowship of believers.
a pastor at a church will baptize you if your profession about Jesus is correct.
or any other christian can baptize you.
anyways...sometimes i wonder.
"See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?”
kóluó: to hinder
Original Word: κωλύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: kóluó
Phonetic Spelling: (ko-loo'-o)
Short Definition: I prevent, hinder
Definition: I prevent, debar, hinder; with infin: from doing so and so.
Word Origin
probably from the same as kolazó
Definition
to hinder
NASB Translation
forbid (2), forbidden (1), forbidding (1), forbids (1), hinder (5), hindered (1), hindering (1), kept (1), prevent (3), prevented (2), prevents (1), refuse (1), restrained (1), stand in...way (1), withhold (1).
well as this oyu say is true and so then I need to see where anyone of the disciples were water babtised when Jessu called them to follow him HMM!!!!!!!!!!!!! inquiring minds want to know watch out for traditions they get in the way
[h=3]Colossians 2:20-22[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
[SUP]21 [/SUP](Touch not; taste not; handle not;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
[h=3]Colossians 2:20-22[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
[SUP]21 [/SUP](Touch not; taste not; handle not;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men?
oh this old thing.
ya okay.
Jesus is going to go through the trouble of saying you can't enter the kingdom of heaven unless you're a human being by saying it the way He did.
k
born of water ain't amniotic fluid.
anyways
ya okay.
Jesus is going to go through the trouble of saying you can't enter the kingdom of heaven unless you're a human being by saying it the way He did.
k
born of water ain't amniotic fluid.
anyways
John 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Are we reborn by the water or by the Spirit pretty simple?