Is baptism Essential for salvation?

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zone

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Okay Sister you can have it your way and not believe as Christ said to Nicodmus
John 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Are we reborn by the water or by the Spirit pretty simple?
did Jesus say:

That which is born of the flesh when they break through the water of the amniotic fluid; and then that which is born of the Spirit is spirit?
 

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Matthew 28
The Resurrection

1Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. 2And behold, there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightning, and his clothing white as snow. 4And for fear of him the guards trembled and became like dead men. 5But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. He is not here, for he has risen, as he said. Come, see the place where hea lay. 7Then go quickly and tell his disciples that he has risen from the dead, and behold, he is going before you to Galilee; there you will see him. See, I have told you.” 8So they departed quickly from the tomb with fear and great joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him. 10Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee, and there they will see me.”

The Report of the Guard
11While they were going, behold, some of the guard went into the city and told the chief priests all that had taken place. 12And when they had assembled with the elders and taken counsel, they gave a sufficient sum of money to the soldiers 13and said, “Tell people, ‘His disciples came by night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ 14And if this comes to the governor’s ears, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” 15So they took the money and did as they were directed. And this story has been spread among the Jews to this day.

The Great Commission
16Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. 17And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. 18And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
John's Babtism never said in the name of anyone nor does this say to be babtized in water, and itis clear that Christ came to babtize but not in water as John confirmed with him to decrease that he only babtized with water and Christ which did come after John was to babtize us in the Holy Ghost which is what occured at Pentecost and this same Babtism stands today and not of water as it has already been pointed out in scripture here we go again
[h=3]Acts 1:5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Pretty clear or do you wish to make fun of this scripture as well as John 3?
 

homwardbound

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Sorry Homeward,

Acts 2

[SUP]37 [/SUP]When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
[SUP]38[/SUP]Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [SUP]39 [/SUP]The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
[SUP]40 [/SUP]With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” [SUP]41 [/SUP]Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Peter plainly told them to be baptized and they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Yes and Peter messed up a lot oin truth but anyway now doies this coincide with
[h=3]Acts 1:5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
John 3:30
He must increase, but I must decrease.
Matthew 3:11I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Ephesians 4:5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
 

homwardbound

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Jesus commanded it, but you didn't do it to obey Him, you did it out of a willing heart.
i wonder if that's why every Christian gets baptised?

if we love Him, we will obey and keep His commandments - out of a heart made willing...right?

but, you found out later being baptized in water wasn't the one baptism?

so did Jesus make a mistake?
did you make a mistake?

how many baptisms are there in our Gospel Commission as commanded by Jesus?
one? or two?

if you went out to fulfill the Great Commission, now that you found out water baptism is not the right baptism - what would you teach the penitent sinner?

what if they asked about being baptised in water? would you turn them away from that and tell them to seek a Holy Ghost baptism?

thanks home:)
one and I choose the Holy Ghost with fire a done deal and am elated over the freedom that is found in the power of the cross on Christ.
My conscious clear loving all no matter what
 

homwardbound

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Jesus commanded it, but you didn't do it to obey Him, you did it out of a willing heart.
i wonder if that's why every Christian gets baptised?

if we love Him, we will obey and keep His commandments - out of a heart made willing...right?

but, you found out later being baptized in water wasn't the one baptism?

so did Jesus make a mistake?
did you make a mistake?

how many baptisms are there in our Gospel Commission as commanded by Jesus?
one? or two?

if you went out to fulfill the Great Commission, now that you found out water baptism is not the right baptism - what would you teach the penitent sinner?

what if they asked about being baptised in water? would you turn them away from that and tell them to seek a Holy Ghost baptism?

thanks home:)

Did Paul Babtise in water or the Holy Ghost? one Babtism Sister
Ephesians 4:5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
 

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like this home?


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Seeking the holy Ghost baptism
I do not believe in falling out in the Spirit or being slain in the Spirit that is to me Hypocrisy for Christ came to give life not death as what slain means. This new life in the Spirit is from God and found in the resurrection of christ only not some Showmanship garbage to look good in front of others it is private matter between God and me as well as anyone else that beleives
 
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Sotellme why Jinx John theBabtist said he must decrease and Christ must increase? And why he made a distinct differance between water Babtism and Holy Ghost? There is a differance right?
well John said that because he was chosen to prepare the way for the messiah.
and I am not understanding the rest of your question.
 

zone

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For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost
not many days hence.

Pretty clear or do you wish to make fun of this scripture as well as John 3?
when was that? do you know?

New International Version (©2011)
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit."

New Living Translation (©2007)
John baptized with water, but in just a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit."

English Standard Version (©2001)
for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.


Acts 1
1The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and teach,2until the day when He was taken up to heaven, after He had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen.3To these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God.4Gathering them together, He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem, but to wait for what the Father had promised, “Which,” He said, “you heard of from Me;5for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit

not many days from now


* * 6So when they had come together, they were asking Him, saying, “Lord, is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?”7He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;8but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”


The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”

Peter’s Sermon at Pentecost
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16
But this is
what was
uttered through
the prophet Joel
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17 “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
18 even on my male servantsc and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
19 And I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;
20 the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

22“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it. 25For David says concerning him,

“‘I saw the Lord always before me,
for he is at my right hand that I may not be shaken;
26 therefore my heart was glad, and my tongue rejoiced;
my flesh also will dwell in hope.
27 For you will not abandon my soul to Hades,
or let your Holy One see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the paths of life;
you will make me full of gladness with your presence.’

29“Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, 31he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. 34For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,

“‘The Lord said to my Lord,
Sit at my right hand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.’

36Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

37Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” 40And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” 41So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.

The Fellowship of the Believers
42And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43And awed came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.
 

homwardbound

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Why did Peter tell them to be baptized? And why did Paul write this about Baptism?

Romans 6

6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?[SUP]2 [/SUP]By no means! We are those who have died to sin;how can we live in it any longer?[SUP]3 [/SUP]Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?[SUP]4 [/SUP]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Colossians 2

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,[SUP]10 [/SUP]and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the headover every power and authority.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh[SUP][b][/SUP] was put off when you were circumcised by[SUP][c][/SUP] Christ,[SUP]12 [/SUP]having been buried with him in baptism,in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Don't you see that baptism is also a burial of our ourselves in Christ. That is why we are commanded to do so.
It does not state that this babtism is of water it is an assumption of yours and this worlds, God through Christ babtizes wit the Holy Ghost and with fire Sister John saiud it and confirmed it after he babtized Christ and announced the Messiah ahs arrived and the Holy Ghost Babtism did not start until the day of Pentecost
 

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I do not believe in falling out in the Spirit or being slain in the Spirit that is to me Hypocrisy for Christ came to give life not death as what slain means. This new life in the Spirit is from God and found in the resurrection of christ only not some Showmanship garbage to look good in front of others it is private matter between God and me as well as anyone else that beleives
he didn't fall down that i could see.
or get slain.
people were praying for him to get baptized in the Holy Ghost.

he was sweating by the look of it...maybe waiting for a long time.

his mom or gramma or the older lady was showing him how to speak in tongues is my guess.

is that what being baptized in the Holy Ghost is like?
 

homwardbound

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did Jesus say:

That which is born of the flesh when they break through the water of the amniotic fluid; and then that which is born of the Spirit is spirit?
Yes I already posted this once here it is again
John 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
 

zone

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It does not state that this babtism is of water it is an assumption of yours and this worlds, God through Christ babtizes wit the Holy Ghost and with fire Sister John saiud it and confirmed it after he babtized Christ and announced the Messiah ahs arrived and the Holy Ghost Babtism did not start until the day of Pentecost
baptism with fire is judgment - possibly to hell.
Jesus had 70AD in mind.
 

homwardbound

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****bangs head harder******
may be if you bang it hard enough God will get through I don't know Sister you just plainly do not see what I am saying please do not band head over it just ask god and leave it alone the answer will come
 

homwardbound

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your asking a housewife if something is funny?

of coarse it's funny!!!!

I aint aloud to laugh anymore????
no yuor laughin comment was a laugh from Zones post about my post and I opersonally did not find it funny but you did so whatever Love yeah, oh and plkease laugh all you wish to
 

zone

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Yes I already posted this once here it is again
John 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
where did Jesus say WATER there?
where?

he said FLESH.

but YOU make it WATER.
 

homwardbound

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well John said that because he was chosen to prepare the way for the messiah.
and I am not understanding the rest of your question.
John 3:30He must increase, but I must decrease.

What must decrease? and what must increase?