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Notto me and have never gone through any of this self will type worship as I said it is a private matter between God and the believer in recieving this truth of being born again which is only given by God tothe one that beleives I am not into showmanship at all. Nor have I ever spoken in any other tongue to any oither or in private, there is a clear comunication between God and me as well as all those that know the truth
[h=3]John 3:4-6[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Sorry Homeward that is NOT what Romans 6:11 says
Here it is within context
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? [SUP]2 [/SUP]By no means! We are those who have died to sin;how can we live in it any longer? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?[SUP]4 [/SUP]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[SUP][a][/SUP] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— [SUP]7 [/SUP]because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
[SUP]11[/SUP]In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Not one word about fire to kill our carnal nature. It says count yourself dead to sin but alive in Christ.
Here it is within context
6 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? [SUP]2 [/SUP]By no means! We are those who have died to sin;how can we live in it any longer? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?[SUP]4 [/SUP]We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[SUP][a][/SUP] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— [SUP]7 [/SUP]because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
[SUP]11[/SUP]In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
Not one word about fire to kill our carnal nature. It says count yourself dead to sin but alive in Christ.
where is there fire in this passage.
please be precise.
you are making assertions and appealing to scripture.
where is baptism by fire
Romans 6
Dead to Sin, Alive to God
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6We know that our old selfa was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7For one who has died has been set freeb from sin. 8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
WHERE does paul say - for one to ask for the fire to kill one's carnal nature being dead here today in the sin nature flesh and alive to God
he doesnt. we are told to put to death the deeds of the FLESH....flesh...not water btw
please be precise.
you are making assertions and appealing to scripture.
where is baptism by fire
Romans 6
Dead to Sin, Alive to God
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6We know that our old selfa was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7For one who has died has been set freeb from sin. 8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
WHERE does paul say - for one to ask for the fire to kill one's carnal nature being dead here today in the sin nature flesh and alive to God
he doesnt. we are told to put to death the deeds of the FLESH....flesh...not water btw
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Here is the beginning baptism by fire: Luke 12:49 "I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?"
Indeed this fire that Jesus sent is this: Lamentations 4:11 "The LORD hath accomplished his fury; he hath poured out his fierce anger, and hath kindled a fire in Zion, and it hath devoured the foundations thereof."
And what is the purpose of that fire? Ezekiel 15:4 "Behold, it is cast into the fire for fuel; the fire devoureth both the ends of it, and the midst of it is burned. Is it meet for any work?
5 Behold, when it was whole, it was meet for no work: how much less shall it be meet yet for any work, when the fire hath devoured it, and it is burned?"
Compare that scripture in Ezekiel 15:4-5 to what Paul told us: 1 Corinthians 3:13 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is."
And see that for the former stewards over God's spiritual table that is what the following is: Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world (world = aion or age, as in the age of the reign of that Old Covenant Law by it's stewards).
Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
We must believe that it is God's will to save rather than destroy: John 10:10 "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
Job 24:14 "The murderer rising with the light killeth the poor and needy, and in the night is as a thief."
1 Thessalonians 5:2 "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."
Why does the Day of the Lord come that way? Because it is the day of reckoning his stewards for how they have handled the work he gave them to do.
Is God's goal to destroy the person or the flesh? What are the seats of prominence that the Pharisees loved and what did they use those seats to do?
There is yet so very much we need to discuss.
Indeed this fire that Jesus sent is this: Lamentations 4:11 "The LORD hath accomplished his fury; he hath poured out his fierce anger, and hath kindled a fire in Zion, and it hath devoured the foundations thereof."
And what is the purpose of that fire? Ezekiel 15:4 "Behold, it is cast into the fire for fuel; the fire devoureth both the ends of it, and the midst of it is burned. Is it meet for any work?
5 Behold, when it was whole, it was meet for no work: how much less shall it be meet yet for any work, when the fire hath devoured it, and it is burned?"
Compare that scripture in Ezekiel 15:4-5 to what Paul told us: 1 Corinthians 3:13 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is."
And see that for the former stewards over God's spiritual table that is what the following is: Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world (world = aion or age, as in the age of the reign of that Old Covenant Law by it's stewards).
Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
We must believe that it is God's will to save rather than destroy: John 10:10 "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
Job 24:14 "The murderer rising with the light killeth the poor and needy, and in the night is as a thief."
1 Thessalonians 5:2 "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night."
Why does the Day of the Lord come that way? Because it is the day of reckoning his stewards for how they have handled the work he gave them to do.
Is God's goal to destroy the person or the flesh? What are the seats of prominence that the Pharisees loved and what did they use those seats to do?
There is yet so very much we need to discuss.
S
Seems a bit silly to me. Look noob perspective here. You're baptized once you repent denounce your evil ways and truly accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. Seems at that point your baptized in Christ. You wanna throw water on yourself fine, You wanna babble incoherently amiss a group of people go ahead I don't think it has anything to do with cleansing the spirit and living in Christ. Those seem to me to be outward symbols of an inward change. I never spoke in tongues but I know the Holy Spirit resides in me. And I've not been water baptized yet either so how is it possible I have the Holy Spirit? Maybe I don't? But then again who amoung you can judge me to damnation? No one that's right.
For those who truly have the HS working in them there is no mistaking it. The ACT of baptism is symbolic of your actual baptism.
Just this sinners humble opinion feel free to disagree.
Blessings and Love to all,
SeekingJC
For those who truly have the HS working in them there is no mistaking it. The ACT of baptism is symbolic of your actual baptism.
Just this sinners humble opinion feel free to disagree.
Blessings and Love to all,
SeekingJC
There is nothing wrong to be baptized with water... NOTHING... I just hope it brings you closer to the BAPTISM THAT COUNTS...
Here is my problem with water-baptism.... Who does the baptism... I would let ANY of the people in the Bible baptize me with water... John the Baptist and any of the Apostles/disciples of Jesus. Even Philip, the evangelist, but today's pastors and the ones I know.... NOPE! Philip was said to be full of the Holy Spirit, and so was John and the apostles.
The people that wanted to baptize me, I want NOTHING to be like them, but even Philip the deacon had something these pastors did not have.... FULL OF HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD'S SPIRIT WITNESSING WITH PHILIP...
So again I ask.... WHO'S EXAMPLE DO THE WATERBAPTIZERS FOLLOW IF JESUS DID NOT BAPTIZE WITH WATER... They follow not JESUS when they baptize with water....
Joh 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
Joh 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,
Jesus knew soon HE WILL START HIS BAPTISM... THE ONE BAPTISM IN EPH 4... SPIRIT BAPTISM.
JC where does this thing come from that ONE ACCEPT JESUS AS THEIR SAVIOUR? I cannot find that scripture... Because it is not BIBLICAL. We do NOT do the choice... GOD MAKES THE CHOICE!
This is one false teaching that we should stop right now here on CC.... NOBODY EVER CHOSE TO ACCEPT JESUS! Father gives people to Jesus, because HE CHOSE TOO! And becasue that point does not exist, you are NOT BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST THERE!
Here is my problem with water-baptism.... Who does the baptism... I would let ANY of the people in the Bible baptize me with water... John the Baptist and any of the Apostles/disciples of Jesus. Even Philip, the evangelist, but today's pastors and the ones I know.... NOPE! Philip was said to be full of the Holy Spirit, and so was John and the apostles.
The people that wanted to baptize me, I want NOTHING to be like them, but even Philip the deacon had something these pastors did not have.... FULL OF HOLY SPIRIT, AND GOD'S SPIRIT WITNESSING WITH PHILIP...
So again I ask.... WHO'S EXAMPLE DO THE WATERBAPTIZERS FOLLOW IF JESUS DID NOT BAPTIZE WITH WATER... They follow not JESUS when they baptize with water....
Joh 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
Joh 4:2 Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,
Jesus knew soon HE WILL START HIS BAPTISM... THE ONE BAPTISM IN EPH 4... SPIRIT BAPTISM.
JC where does this thing come from that ONE ACCEPT JESUS AS THEIR SAVIOUR? I cannot find that scripture... Because it is not BIBLICAL. We do NOT do the choice... GOD MAKES THE CHOICE!
This is one false teaching that we should stop right now here on CC.... NOBODY EVER CHOSE TO ACCEPT JESUS! Father gives people to Jesus, because HE CHOSE TOO! And becasue that point does not exist, you are NOT BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST THERE!
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Boy seekingJC, I can teach you many things you have wrong... Let us start with the Holy Spirit WORKING IN A PERSON.... Do you know that such a person went through the ULTIMATE REGENERATION... TO BE MADE EXACTLY IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF JESUS! A PERSON that have the Holy Spirit in HIM CANNOT SIN!!! 1 John 3:9... That SEED God mentions there is the Holy Spirit. It is the NEW HEART, and the SPIRIT OF GOD.... IN THE NEW CREATURE... The one where EVERYTHING IS MADE NEW... Such a person is made perfect. Has God's LOVE PERFECTED in him. This is what God did to that person... LOOK AT HOW THIS PERSON WILL DO AS GOD WANTS DONE.... PERFECTLY...
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
I can see God doing this..... FATHER LET THOU WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS DONE IN HEAVEN... The moment God gives a man the new heart, HIS WILL WILL BE DONE IN THAT MAN AS IN HEAVEN... PERFECTLY....
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
I can see God doing this..... FATHER LET THOU WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS DONE IN HEAVEN... The moment God gives a man the new heart, HIS WILL WILL BE DONE IN THAT MAN AS IN HEAVEN... PERFECTLY....
Perspective is but a different angle of view which in reality does not contradict another angle of view, if only each angle with which it is viewed is carefully ascertained of the Spirit based on God's Word for correctness.
Sometimes we think another has contradicted truth when in fact it is but a different and just as valid angle of viewing the same thing.
Can anyone understand that?
This is called by the world's psychologists, "paradigms". And in this they speak correctly.
Sometimes we think another has contradicted truth when in fact it is but a different and just as valid angle of viewing the same thing.
Can anyone understand that?
This is called by the world's psychologists, "paradigms". And in this they speak correctly.
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Zonie that clip about the "Holy Spirit" is an evil rituaul.... Kundalini or something like that... God does things ORDERLY, and without CHAOS.... One by ONE they will speak.. and ALL should be JUDGED to the WORD...
I am with you on this one.... MANY blaspheme God's ORDER and POWER... I pity them on THE DAY. From the first time I had to do with this, GOD GAVE ME INSIGHT....
Also this falling over and jerking and shaking on the ground,,.,, IT IS EVIL! Do not even try to defend it WITHOUT SCRIPTURE!!!
Not ONE place in the Bible did people FALL BACKWARDS... They STEPPED BACK and their knees bend and they fell to the ground... The only time people were flung to the ground it was EVIL SPIRITS... And Jesus delt with them SEVERELY...
Praise the LORD OF ORDER AND LOVE AND PURE HOLINESS... Jesus Christ is the LORD OF PEACE AND LOVE. AMEN!
I am with you on this one.... MANY blaspheme God's ORDER and POWER... I pity them on THE DAY. From the first time I had to do with this, GOD GAVE ME INSIGHT....
Also this falling over and jerking and shaking on the ground,,.,, IT IS EVIL! Do not even try to defend it WITHOUT SCRIPTURE!!!
Not ONE place in the Bible did people FALL BACKWARDS... They STEPPED BACK and their knees bend and they fell to the ground... The only time people were flung to the ground it was EVIL SPIRITS... And Jesus delt with them SEVERELY...
Praise the LORD OF ORDER AND LOVE AND PURE HOLINESS... Jesus Christ is the LORD OF PEACE AND LOVE. AMEN!