Is baptism Essential for salvation?

[kardiaoangelous]

maybe a blue heeler?

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That sure looks like her!!!

On that farm in Iowa the one there got to messing around a cats babies and you could actually see the cats on the farm gather together as if to discuss and go after that dog in the most amazing way. One would distract it front and back, another couple attacking it's back, and others circled around that dog as if to say, You started it and now we are going to finish it.

I never before saw such a thing my life. But it was like those cats preplanned it together and perfectly executed it.

Are they said to be nippers?

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Well since were on the subject I have a borador. That is a black lab and border collie mix. The AKC recently accepted them as a breed. Very intelligent, well behaved, easy to train, but high on energy.

I am familiar with the border collie mix. Very intelligent dogs.

I kind of think that due to where I now live a smaller dog would be more appropriate but most smaller dogs are so noisy that I don't know which bread to choose.

 

[jinx]

That sure looks like her!!!

On that farm in Iowa the one there got to messing around a cats babies and you could actually see the cats on the farm gather together as if to discuss and go after that dog in the most amazing way. One would distract it front and back, another couple attacking it's back, and others circled around that dog as if to say, You started it and now we are going to finish it.

I never before saw such a thing my life. But it was like those cats preplanned it together and perfectly executed it.

Are they said to be nippers?

Blue Heelers, like most herders, can be one-person dogs. They also have a unique independence, not requiring much in the way of cuddling or affection. Though tough and resolute, they will definitely appreciate positive feedback and good treatment. Sometimes their herding instincts can suddenly come into play. They may "herd" family members or nip lightly at heels if they want something.

They don’t bark too much, but they are still very protective of the home. Blue Heelers can be cautious and wary—qualities that make themexcellent watchdogs. They are also friendly and loving companions.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

I believe that the word is talking about Paul's mother. That God, in his foreknowledge chose Paul, as an apostle and gave him the true meaning of the new covenant, which is the cross and to preach it to the gentiles. Remember Paul was a pharisee trained in the scriptures and actually persecuted the early church until his meeting on the road to Damascus. Many are called but few are chosen

That is the common response to that question but he was not. He was speaking of being born from this mother at time he identified when he mentioned it to the Corinthian church at 1 Corinthians 15:1-10

1 Corinthians 15:8 "And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time."
1 Corinthians 15:9 "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."

That alerts us to look there in Galatians 1:15 to see if he indicates that to have been on the road to Damascus just as he related it to the Corinthians. And we see that he definitely did.

This happened to him at a time where he was, Galatians 1:14 "And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers." That was why he was so zealously persecuting the church.

Now notice: Galatians 1:15-16 "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood.."

The Jews viewed earthly Jerusalem as their mother in whose womb they were being nourished by the water of the word of the Law of God.

And we see that here, also:

Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

 

[jinx]

yup. time for bed. nite

 

[kardiaoangelous]

yup. time for bed. nite

Have a good night and pleasant dreams for we know that we are in good hands.

 

[livingepistle]

She has shar pei tail, and ears and some loose skin around the neck. Lab is more dominant I think.

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NOW THAT IS A SIN ****LOL*****WHAT THA???????????????? IF THAT IS THE FEMALE--PLEASE DON'T SHOW THE MALE

 

[Cobus]

There is nothing wrong with water-baptism, NOTHING! but that baptism means as much as it is not wrong..... NOTHING! Water-baptism AFTER Jesus' baptism came means NOTHING!

When John baptized he baptized before Jesus died on the cross... this is a very important fact... John baptized BEFORE Jesus died on the cross... Why? Why did God not save John to continue to baptize AFTER Jesus died, was resurrected, AND SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT....

Ok the role of John the Baptist was to... bring the hearts of the fathers to the children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, LEST THE LORD COME AND SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE.... JOHN HAD TO RESTORE SOME KIND OF LOVE.... John baptized with water unto repentance.... Look BAPTIZE UNTO REPENTANCE... the other baptism is the other way AROUND... REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED....

John baptized so that people will repent, God says ... REPENT and be BAPTIZED....

Now let us look at the two baptisms and their COMPLETE opposites...

Water baptism, by John the Baptist, Philip, and any other pastor or man baptizin man with water....
It is done by a man (or holy man) to another man (defenately not holy man). If the two rise out of the water, they are BOTH still the same people that entered the water. After this baptism there are still SIN TO BE REPENTED FROM! Also this baptism has NEVER made any person a holy person.

This baptism has the same power it always had. NOTHING! It is not wrong, but this baptism DOES NOT SAVE!

HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM. Only done by GOD!!! Not one MAN ever baptized with Holy Spirit. It is GOD IN THE APOSTLES that baptized with HIMSELF... It was God that BAPTIZED Cornelius, without Simon laying hands on them... That is to show how WE CAN BE BAPTIZED TODAY!!!!!
I hope you all know that every person that is baptized with the Holy Spirit is baptized with BOTH JESUS THE SON AND FATHER.... This is a POWERFUL GODLY BAPTISM. It is the moment God gives that person.... A NEW HEART, A NEW SPIRIT (HIS), A BIRTH FROM GOD, TO BE HOLY AND PERFECT, God MAKES EVERYTHING NEW THAT INSTANT! That is the FINAL moment the OLD MAN DIES FOREVER! It is when God and JEsus makes their ABODE with the person. We can give numerous verses about this moment.... This is THE MOMENT THE WHOLE GOSPEL IS ABOUT!!! That is The Goal, The Adoption, The Baptism, The Making Holy, The Empowerment, The Fulfilment, The Rebirth, Born of God, The Glorification, The Godly-ship, The Edifying to the Body of Christ, The Perfection of the Saint. UNTO A PERFECT MAN.
Not one person Baptized with God was NOT PERFECT! God perfects a person by BAPTIZING THAT PERSON WITH HIMSELF... SALVATION IS NOW DONE! The moment a person is BAPTIZED BY GOD WITH GOD, THAT PERSON WILL NOT RECIEVE SALVATION EVER AGAIN! HE IS NOW A SAVED MAN!

I hope you can see the difference between WATER BAPTISM and GOD'S BAPTISM.

God said... the world will hate us, yet we are not saved YET.... That means even if we do REPENT, and are hated by the world for our "CHANGE IN WAYS" we are still not saved... but if we endure to the end... THEN HE WILL SAVE THE ONES THAT ENDURETH TO THE END.... Salvation is completed with the BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

 

[know1]

God said... the world will hate us, yet we are not saved YET.... That means even if we do REPENT, and are hated by the world for our "CHANGE IN WAYS" we are still not saved... but if we endure to the end... THEN HE WILL SAVE THE ONES THAT ENDURETH TO THE END.... Salvation is completed with the BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Though it is in scripture, it is not scripturally accurate.

 

[know1]

baptism is not a prerequisite? why then Pete say baptism was for the REMMISSION of sins????
I honestly can't see where you guys are coming from--why can't see the church started in Acts 2 and the same instructions found in Acts 2 are the same instructions for everyone who wants to be saved.

You guys make me laugh--your eeeegos sure get in the way--of good scriptural sound doctrine.ROFLMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If that were true then Romans 10:9 - 10 would be false as well as many other promises in the bible.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

No baptism there.
And what about the baptism of John the Baptist?

Mar_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

Water baptism for the remission of sins before Christ died and rose from the dead. Their sins were remitted even before anyone knew about Jesus?
It still looks like it is not a prerequisite for salvation.

 

[Kerry]

That is the common response to that question but he was not. He was speaking of being born from this mother at time he identified when he mentioned it to the Corinthian church at 1 Corinthians 15:1-10

1 Corinthians 15:8 "And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time."
1 Corinthians 15:9 "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."

That alerts us to look there in Galatians 1:15 to see if he indicates that to have been on the road to Damascus just as he related it to the Corinthians. And we see that he definitely did.

This happened to him at a time where he was, Galatians 1:14 "And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers." That was why he was so zealously persecuting the church.

Now notice: Galatians 1:15-16 "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, to reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood.."

The Jews viewed earthly Jerusalem as their mother in whose womb they were being nourished by the water of the word of the Law of God.

And we see that here, also:

Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Probably its the most common response is because it is the truth. I think you are reaching to some mystical meaning that truthfully not there. The scripture that you quote about the bond women is an example of what we Christians often do. we look to to what we can do and not what God can do. Abraham had to do away with self just as we must do and rely totally on God. that is so simple yet so difficult to do.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Probably its the most common response is because it is the truth. I think you are reaching to some mystical meaning that truthfully not there. The scripture that you quote about the bond women is an example of what we Christians often do. we look to to what we can do and not what God can do. Abraham had to do away with self just as we must do and rely totally on God. that is so simple yet so difficult to do.

It is not reaching to see it the way I said as that is the only way that the context indicates it is to be seen. It would be more reaching to see it the way you said which defies the context.

I think that you are probably saying that due to fear put into you by those that use what I have said thus far to scream baptism of the Holy Spirit as what was actually meant and is yet meant, when they have neither let me finish explaining so that they can know the full picture.

That screaming occurs because there is another force at work here which gets excited because the one behind that force knows I am etching closer to the fuller picture with all of you.

Look at what I presented and courageously accept it as the context plainly shows that it is. And ignore those screams. If you will do that I will take you in steps to see what the full picture really is and you will have no doubt that God has revealed it.

Nothing at all mystical required. Don't let that spirit crying mystical which has come through zone and jinx scare you either. All the screams, both saying it is mystical and the screams that it is the baptism by the Holy Spirit are screams of excited utterance by a spirit not calm because it knows I am getting closer and closer to revealing to you what God already has shown me and is showing me, not in any mystical way, but by the spirit which is upon his word.

Work on ignoring all the screams, even the screams of your own fears, and give only those scriptures with their context your trust as I present the. Trust not my word but God's word. And then piece by piece I will be able to show you what I have seen. You have not seen it all yet. none of the screamers have seen it all yet.

To deny the context sets the meaning for what you read is not trusting scripture. Letting the context set the meaning is.

 

[SarahM777]

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If you're not going to quit banging your head you'll need one of these.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

I am going to proceed on to show you why I said what Cobus and others who speak that way are mixed with screaming.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit by Peter using his keys to the kingdom was a three time event for the church to get it rooted into the earth. I will defend this with scripture later, as this will give those who are beginning to understand, a chance to have the spirit on the word complete the picture for them, without me having to speak it. That is how it is meant to work so that those who are elect of God can be discerned of the ones who are able to do that, as only the elect of God are as John here describes, 1 John 2:27 "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

So, as I said, The baptism of the Holy Spirit by Peter using his keys to the kingdom was a three time event for the church to get it rooted into the earth. First to the Jews, second to the Samaritans, and third to the Gentiles. These are the only times that baptism of the Holy Spirit in the manner of the prophecy of Joel occurred.

From there it was all done by the spirit on the word itself, even as i am doing now.

1 Corinthians 3:5 ¶Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

 

[homwardbound]

Moses and David and Abraham was under the old covenant. The old testament. Their testament ways of remission of sins, which wasn't really a remission cause it never really cleaned their sins away just rolled it forward was that of the shedding of animals blood.
When JESUS became the perfect sacrifice for our sins we no longer needed the animals blood. There was a new testament, because a testator had died.



So now with the new covenant in place there are new rules. Repentance, baptism and infilling of the HOLY SPIRIT that saves.

Jinx, are you saying without Water Babtism, one can not recieve the Holy Ghost?

Water Babtism is not the washing away of sins, the Holy Ghost Babtism is the seal we are sealed with the first day of Belief, water babtism with out the Holy Ghost the resurrection we are still dead in our sins,
1 Peter 3:21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Ephesians 1:13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Jinx, are you saying without Water Babtism, one can not recieve the Holy Ghost?

Water Babtism is not the washing away of sins, the Holy Ghost Babtism is the seal we are sealed with the first day of Belief, water babtism with out the Holy Ghost the resurrection we are still dead in our sins,
1 Peter 3:21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Ephesians 1:13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

Yes, all we need to discern from scripture beyond that is where, how, and for whom the laying on of the hands came in. Then we have the whole picture.

 

[homwardbound]

The Books from Romans to Jude were epistles written to already born again believers. They already repented, was water baptized and was filled with the HOLY SPIRIT.

Everyone has to endure till the end in order to be saved.

as stated before water baptism is a command, I gave you scripture for this already, many many times.

Homie your a mystic and I dont believe any of your garbage theology. You ignore scriptures, even saying they aint doctrine when all scripture is given for doctrine


Who are you trying to convince? me or you?

So you say I ignore scripture how about you all ignoring what Joihn said about John's Babtism being only of water and for repoentance ony, yet Christ's Babtism is not of water but of the Holy Ghostand then the cscripture that says there is onlyone Babtism
Matthew 3:1[ John the Baptist Prepares the Way ] In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea
Matthew 3:6Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.
Matthew 3:11“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

John 3:30He must increase, but I must decrease.
Acts 1:5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Ephesians 4:5One Lord, one faith, one baptism

Ispeak of the babtism of the Holy Ghost which John said was differant from John's Babtism, you speal of that if one is not Babtized in water then one is not saved. Is trhis what you are saying?
No water Babtism no salvation?

 

[homwardbound]

1Pe_3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

it must be done.

If it is not and one believes as the Cornelius family did, recieve the Holy Ghost before any water Babtism, had they not gotten this water Babtism or if Peter never encouraged it, would the Holy Ghost Babtism been made Void?
Holy Ghost babtism by God is the salvation, not water

 

[A-Omega]

A-Omega--you know good and well, or you should know WHY that baptism had nothing to do Abraham, Moses and David.
It makes no sense to go into a lengthy explanation. And no they are not condemned , as you very well know.

Statements like these are just attempts to evade actually have to rightly divide Scripture, which you have not done since I have jumped in this thread.

If you have a Biblical explanation offer it. Because it will again expose that you are preaching a false Gospel.

 

[JesusChica1991]

You don't get it. Christ's baptism was of the Holy Spirit AND water. Baptism was a part of Jewish tradition waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before Christ and JOhn the Baptist came around. What did that tradition consist of? Being FULLY immersed into WATER! The act was simply carried out into Christianity. If Christ was baptized by BOTH spirit AND water and Christ commands it HIMSELF, what is so hard about doing what he asks? It's a command. Is it not to be followed like all his other commands? Let God take care of the ones who are incapable of full immersion and let US do what Christ commanded! I don't see what is so hard to understand about this. I really don't.